LDA says:

# 19 BmoreBadBoy

So you half agree but are implying you do not. Fine, where do I start?

“Unfounded fears”

Not fear disgust.

“Corrupt corporations wouldn’t be so large without the assistance of government regulations that allow them to grow while keeping their competition at bay.”

Agreed (or more accurately you agree with me).

“Walmart…K-Mart”

No, they influence. Monsanto, Halliburton, the Fed’s, Goldman etc. control/are the (illegitimate) government.

“Big difference between “control” and “are”

Yes, I am aware they differ, but only slightly if they result in approval of the corporate agenda. CONTROL representatives financially, faulty planes etc. & ARE (Executive) – Geitner (NY Fed. – bailouts), Paulson (Goldman Sachs – bailouts), Cheney (Halliburton), Bush (Carlyle Group). In, out, in, out, contract, out, war, out, in, out, bail, out.

“…If the US government disappeared tomorrow, you’d shat your pants”

Straw man & false dichotomy. I implied control should be wrestled away from the corporations, not that the government should be dissolved. As it is impossible to defend something I did not say, you will have to argue that point with yourself.

“…brain washed you into believing this is a government for the people…”

Whatever gave you that idea. I said it should be, not it is.

/irony?/ “WRONG! This is a government for the special interests by the special interests.”

RIGHT! That’s what I said, so you agree.

“Good luck with your direct democracy and changing the constitution”

You really are not following my argument are you? I did not say it should be changed, I said the (legitimate) power rests with the states and if people want to vest it in the Federal Government they should amend the constitution to make it legitimate. That’s how the Rule of law and Constitutional Government works.

“…which is a dead letter by the way, because either it did nothing to stop the growth of government…”

That is the fault of the people. I did not say it has magical self sustaining properties.

“…or it allowed the growth of government to this point…”

Well which one is it. Either you think it is powerless or all-powerful. You can not (rationally) argue both.

So you agree it sucks but you think we’re powerless to do anything about it, so you choose to instead attack an argument which you largely agree with but say you don’t. Fine.

T-Timmy says:

Dallas please grow up sir. Your lack of common sense is appalling.

abolish_homeland_insecurity_now says:

There ya go, Ron Paul – making sense AGAIN! Oh when will the common sense ever end!!!!

DHS is a boondoggle agency that was created to make the American people *feel* safe while it actually *does* nothing in practice to make us safer. It just collects information on We The People, which I’m sure was it’s original intent in the first place. There are so few “terror” incidents that it hardly warrants this massive & expensive bureaucracy, that apparently can’t really prevent anything. And the reason that there are so few terror events is because terrorism has been way overblown by elements in the US and other governments to control us – it’s not that they’re discovering any plots as most of these 10th grade grads couldn’t find their ass with the proverbial flashlight and several thousand hands.

If we were serious about US safety, we wouldn’t allow illegal immigrants to flow into this country at will, we wouldn’t be settling thousands of immigrants from Muslim countries, which are the main source of international terrorism (as Bush did and as we continue to do) and we wouldn’t be allowing things like enormous liquid natural gas tankers to be shipping from Yemen into ports like Boston.

The entire terrorism/homeland security effort is a racket to make money and control us. That’s all it really is or was or will be. For example, I understand Michael Chertoff is one of the heaviest investors in the new scanning technology. Surprise, surprise!!!!! Let’s get rid of these agencies and go back to basic effective police work like the FBI used to be capable of (and maybe still are).