Comments on: DU Poll: Should Congress Do Away with the Filibuster? http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/02/10/du-poll-should-congress-do-away-with-the-filibuster/ General interest observations and true web-log. Sun, 12 Feb 2012 22:16:56 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Uncle Patso http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/02/10/du-poll-should-congress-do-away-with-the-filibuster/comment-page-4/#comment-1631687 Uncle Patso Fri, 12 Feb 2010 16:02:45 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=68903#comment-1631687 # 2 lionsfan54: "Riiiight, because only Republicans use it in an 'irresponsible way' Where was all this talk when Dems pulled the same stunt? [...]" No one, not Dems, not the GOP, not the Whigs, not the Federalists, not even the Know-Nothings has ever filibustered to this extent before, ever in U.S. history. See some charts <a href="http://www.ourfuture.org/files/images/Filibuster-chart-100708.jpg" rel="nofollow">here</a>, <a href="http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Cloture_Voting_U.S._Senate_1947_to_2008-1.jpeg" rel="nofollow">here</a>, and <a href="http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/images/cloture-stats-chart2.jpg" rel="nofollow">here</a>. - - - - - # 21 Dallas: "So far, what’s established in this thread is the Republican sheep rejoice at government gridlock. The same sheep complain on the next breath that government is ineffectual." You have the order reversed: First, they complain that government is B-A-A-A-D, then they <b>make sure</b>. I don't know why they even bother to show up. They could all just as easily stay home, though I guess that might make it harder to collect from all the lobbyists... # 2 lionsfan54:
“Riiiight, because only Republicans use it in an ‘irresponsible way’

Where was all this talk when Dems pulled the same stunt? [...]”

No one, not Dems, not the GOP, not the Whigs, not the Federalists, not even the Know-Nothings has ever filibustered to this extent before, ever in U.S. history. See some charts here, here, and here.

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# 21 Dallas:
“So far, what’s established in this thread is the Republican sheep rejoice at government gridlock.

The same sheep complain on the next breath that government is ineffectual.”

You have the order reversed: First, they complain that government is B-A-A-A-D, then they make sure. I don’t know why they even bother to show up. They could all just as easily stay home, though I guess that might make it harder to collect from all the lobbyists…

]]> By: pedro http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/02/10/du-poll-should-congress-do-away-with-the-filibuster/comment-page-4/#comment-1631231 pedro Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:15:21 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=68903#comment-1631231 #58 Bah bah bah bah wingnuts bah bah bah bah. Because we demagaogues are good and you repukes are bad, bah bah bah. Sheeple! #60 Filibuster has always been a tool for those in the minority, whether is constitutional or not could be a matter for debate. The repukes are a disgrace by not giving any positive ideas as a counter but so are the demagogues whose bill is just a travesty and to top it, are incapable of passing the bill mainly due to one or two that seem to actually have a conscience. #58 Bah bah bah bah wingnuts bah bah bah bah. Because we demagaogues are good and you repukes are bad, bah bah bah.

Sheeple!

#60 Filibuster has always been a tool for those in the minority, whether is constitutional or not could be a matter for debate.

The repukes are a disgrace by not giving any positive ideas as a counter but so are the demagogues whose bill is just a travesty and to top it, are incapable of passing the bill mainly due to one or two that seem to actually have a conscience.

]]> By: bobbo, don't let "facts" get in the way http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/02/10/du-poll-should-congress-do-away-with-the-filibuster/comment-page-3/#comment-1631211 bobbo, don't let "facts" get in the way Thu, 11 Feb 2010 07:21:51 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=68903#comment-1631211 #52--Pedroitopicco==So, you AGREE the filibuster violates the Constitution, and you MUST KNOW (ie--the FACT of the matter) that the Repukes are filibustering their own introduced bills. To think it is somehow "slanted" to SLAM the repukes for their ANTI-AMERICAN, ANTI-CONSTITUTIONAL, ANTI-DEMOCRATIC actions is to equal a large evil with a small evil, a small evil with a small good and so forth. You have no sense of proportionality--a necessary element of any analysis. Without it, one is left a kneejerk ditto head. #52–Pedroitopicco==So, you AGREE the filibuster violates the Constitution, and you MUST KNOW (ie–the FACT of the matter) that the Repukes are filibustering their own introduced bills. To think it is somehow “slanted” to SLAM the repukes for their ANTI-AMERICAN, ANTI-CONSTITUTIONAL, ANTI-DEMOCRATIC actions is to equal a large evil with a small evil, a small evil with a small good and so forth. You have no sense of proportionality–a necessary element of any analysis. Without it, one is left a kneejerk ditto head.

]]> By: RBG http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/02/10/du-poll-should-congress-do-away-with-the-filibuster/comment-page-3/#comment-1631198 RBG Thu, 11 Feb 2010 05:26:41 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=68903#comment-1631198 One almost thinks this has something to do with the loss of a "filibuster-proof" majority. RBG One almost thinks this has something to do with the loss of a “filibuster-proof” majority.

RBG

]]> By: Mr. Fusion http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/02/10/du-poll-should-congress-do-away-with-the-filibuster/comment-page-3/#comment-1631196 Mr. Fusion Thu, 11 Feb 2010 05:15:53 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=68903#comment-1631196 Such ignorance. No wonder the right wing nuts hate America. They don't have an effen clue how Congress works. There is nothing about a filibuster in the Constitution. The Chambers may change their rules at any time. The current Senate rules require a 60 vote majority to over rule any procedural hold or filibuster. As for the Democrats doing the same, please list a few of the filibusters and holds they had. (Its already been mentioned, but you have to love Senator Shelby's blackmail for pork. $70 BILLION in pork) Such ignorance. No wonder the right wing nuts hate America. They don’t have an effen clue how Congress works.

There is nothing about a filibuster in the Constitution. The Chambers may change their rules at any time. The current Senate rules require a 60 vote majority to over rule any procedural hold or filibuster.

As for the Democrats doing the same, please list a few of the filibusters and holds they had. (Its already been mentioned, but you have to love Senator Shelby’s blackmail for pork. $70 BILLION in pork)

]]> By: nunyac http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/02/10/du-poll-should-congress-do-away-with-the-filibuster/comment-page-3/#comment-1631192 nunyac Thu, 11 Feb 2010 04:52:55 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=68903#comment-1631192 Nine out of ten things that congress does are wrong (does not achieve the stated goal, takes to long, and/or costs too much). It would therefore seem reasonable that anything that might slow them down (such as the filibuster) could prove profitable for the American people. Nine out of ten things that congress does are wrong (does not achieve the stated goal, takes to long, and/or costs too much). It would therefore seem reasonable that anything that might slow them down (such as the filibuster) could prove profitable for the American people.

]]> By: deowll http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/02/10/du-poll-should-congress-do-away-with-the-filibuster/comment-page-3/#comment-1631180 deowll Thu, 11 Feb 2010 04:16:22 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=68903#comment-1631180 It depends on whether or not you think having Congress in grid lock is a good thing. Yes in theory a simple majority gives the best government. In my personal experience any time a political party has the power to do so they claim they have a mandate from the people and do a lot of stupid things that are bad for the country and bleep the voters off quickly resulting in their majority vanishing. It depends on whether or not you think having Congress in grid lock is a good thing.

Yes in theory a simple majority gives the best government.

In my personal experience any time a political party has the power to do so they claim they have a mandate from the people and do a lot of stupid things that are bad for the country and bleep the voters off quickly resulting in their majority vanishing.

]]> By: Rabble Rouser http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/02/10/du-poll-should-congress-do-away-with-the-filibuster/comment-page-3/#comment-1631157 Rabble Rouser Thu, 11 Feb 2010 01:48:49 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=68903#comment-1631157 This iteration of the filibuster, is not in the spirit of the filibuster. All they do, is say that they will filibuster, instead of voting for cloture. If either party wants to filibuster, they should be able to show the stamina to filibuster, as was the original intent of the rule. Talk it out, tell ALL your points, and then vote. Give as much time as either side deems necessary. It's absurd that the Republicans have broken all records of filibuster, without breaking a sweat. I want to see them on the floor, stating their reasons, IN DETAIL! Let them take all the time that they deem necessary, then VOTE damnit! This iteration of the filibuster, is not in the spirit of the filibuster. All they do, is say that they will filibuster, instead of voting for cloture. If either party wants to filibuster, they should be able to show the stamina to filibuster, as was the original intent of the rule. Talk it out, tell ALL your points, and then vote. Give as much time as either side deems necessary.
It’s absurd that the Republicans have broken all records of filibuster, without breaking a sweat. I want to see them on the floor, stating their reasons, IN DETAIL! Let them take all the time that they deem necessary, then VOTE damnit!

]]> By: US http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/02/10/du-poll-should-congress-do-away-with-the-filibuster/comment-page-3/#comment-1631148 US Thu, 11 Feb 2010 01:24:03 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=68903#comment-1631148 Both sides use the filibuster, its purpose is to give the minority some power. I like the idea of having it and have no problem with anyone using it (whether or not I agree with their view point). The only thing I'd like to see changed is that it be required for the person filibustering must actually hold the floor open, not just declare a filibuster and go home. Actually make them stay there. The founding fathers tried to create a system that didn't allow a majority to oppress the minority. Both sides use the filibuster, its purpose is to give the minority some power. I like the idea of having it and have no problem with anyone using it (whether or not I agree with their view point). The only thing I’d like to see changed is that it be required for the person filibustering must actually hold the floor open, not just declare a filibuster and go home. Actually make them stay there.

The founding fathers tried to create a system that didn’t allow a majority to oppress the minority.

]]> By: Anon http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/02/10/du-poll-should-congress-do-away-with-the-filibuster/comment-page-3/#comment-1631147 Anon Thu, 11 Feb 2010 01:22:52 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=68903#comment-1631147 Why don't the Dems force the Repubs you act on the filibuster. Turn it into a last man standing. You'll get the Repubs up there blabbering on mindlessly for days, eventually they will cave, and the whole time they are going to look like morons. I think it's pathetic that just the threat of the filibuster brings thing to a halt. Obama said it best when he told the Repub's they've made him out to be an enemy and passing anything he agrees with is politically dangerous, it doesn't allow any conversation on issues. Why don’t the Dems force the Repubs you act on the filibuster. Turn it into a last man standing. You’ll get the Repubs up there blabbering on mindlessly for days, eventually they will cave, and the whole time they are going to look like morons. I think it’s pathetic that just the threat of the filibuster brings thing to a halt.

Obama said it best when he told the Repub’s they’ve made him out to be an enemy and passing anything he agrees with is politically dangerous, it doesn’t allow any conversation on issues.

]]> By: pedro http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/02/10/du-poll-should-congress-do-away-with-the-filibuster/comment-page-3/#comment-1631144 pedro Thu, 11 Feb 2010 01:17:06 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=68903#comment-1631144 #50 I had no problem with your "constitution" bit. That part was actually goog. It was the other part that I have a beef with. You know, the one highlighting the beam (not brisk) on the repukes eye yet oblivious to your iron-filled demagogue eyes. But fear not, you've earned you sheeple title. #50 I had no problem with your “constitution” bit. That part was actually goog.

It was the other part that I have a beef with. You know, the one highlighting the beam (not brisk) on the repukes eye yet oblivious to your iron-filled demagogue eyes.

But fear not, you’ve earned you sheeple title.

]]> By: jcj7161 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/02/10/du-poll-should-congress-do-away-with-the-filibuster/comment-page-3/#comment-1631128 jcj7161 Thu, 11 Feb 2010 00:21:46 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=68903#comment-1631128 Get rid of it as it isn’t Constitutional and lets the racists block equality..r u that fing stupid that u can't realize that is why it exists..Reb or Dem? Get rid of it as it isn’t Constitutional and lets the racists block equality..r u that fing stupid that u can’t realize that is why it exists..Reb or Dem?

]]> By: bobbo, do facts matter? http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/02/10/du-poll-should-congress-do-away-with-the-filibuster/comment-page-3/#comment-1631100 bobbo, do facts matter? Wed, 10 Feb 2010 22:49:03 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=68903#comment-1631100 #47--Pedro==keep going out of your way to post stupidly and I'm gonna have to start agreeing with Phydeau. Ummmm. Well, since I have always agreed with his insightful review of your decline on this blog, I will only have to chime in. To wit: shouldn't we ALL BE in support of the Constitution and democracy? Pedroitopicco--please expressly state "the other side" that you impliedly support? Failure to do so will be evidence you are ONLY a knee jerk bumper sticker reader. Please show us how wrong we are. #49--Now Benji==even if by some measurement "the Democrats didn't care" the relevant analysis and the point of this thread would demand an answer to this question: so what? Do YOU Benji think the fillibuster is: A==Constitutional, and B==Democratic. THAT IS THE RELEVANT ISSUE! You can be relevant can't you? My horse and I would like to know. PS: "The Republicans are not against health care reform" /// Hee, hee. What a BS eating maroon. I know you have "heard" that but what stops you from removing that turd from your intellectual diet? #47–Pedro==keep going out of your way to post stupidly and I’m gonna have to start agreeing with Phydeau. Ummmm. Well, since I have always agreed with his insightful review of your decline on this blog, I will only have to chime in.

To wit: shouldn’t we ALL BE in support of the Constitution and democracy? Pedroitopicco–please expressly state “the other side” that you impliedly support? Failure to do so will be evidence you are ONLY a knee jerk bumper sticker reader. Please show us how wrong we are.

#49–Now Benji==even if by some measurement “the Democrats didn’t care” the relevant analysis and the point of this thread would demand an answer to this question: so what?

Do YOU Benji think the fillibuster is:
A==Constitutional, and
B==Democratic.

THAT IS THE RELEVANT ISSUE! You can be relevant can’t you? My horse and I would like to know.

PS: “The Republicans are not against health care reform” /// Hee, hee. What a BS eating maroon. I know you have “heard” that but what stops you from removing that turd from your intellectual diet?

]]> By: Benjamin http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/02/10/du-poll-should-congress-do-away-with-the-filibuster/comment-page-3/#comment-1631095 Benjamin Wed, 10 Feb 2010 22:21:33 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=68903#comment-1631095 #46 Over and over again, what we have to ask the Demon Rats and their financial wing (George Soros) is: “Why do you hate America?” Demonrats didn't mind the filibuster when they were using it to block Bush's judicial nominations. The Demonrats also didn't mind the filibuster when Robert KKK Byrd (Demonrat from W. Virginia) blocked voting on civil rights for over fourteen hours. So Bobbo, get off your high horse. The Demonrats used the filibuster for evil reasons(blocking civil rights) and they aren't riding unicorns in the sunshine here. The Republicans are not against health care reform. They are against the current bill that favors unions over everyone else, requires every individuals to purchase insurance whether or not they can afford it, and will raise the cost of health care instead of lower it. The Demonrats pushed the Republicans from the processes, so there can be no compromise. No Republican ideas like medical tort reform or allowing insurance companies to compete across state lines have been considered and no Demonrat made an offer to add them in the bill. You would have compromise there if that was the case. So I asked the the Demon Rats and their unhinged spokesman bobbo once again: “Why do you hate America?” #46 Over and over again, what we have to ask the Demon Rats and their financial wing (George Soros) is: “Why do you hate America?”

Demonrats didn’t mind the filibuster when they were using it to block Bush’s judicial nominations. The Demonrats also didn’t mind the filibuster when Robert KKK Byrd (Demonrat from W. Virginia) blocked voting on civil rights for over fourteen hours.

So Bobbo, get off your high horse. The Demonrats used the filibuster for evil reasons(blocking civil rights) and they aren’t riding unicorns in the sunshine here.

The Republicans are not against health care reform. They are against the current bill that favors unions over everyone else, requires every individuals to purchase insurance whether or not they can afford it, and will raise the cost of health care instead of lower it.

The Demonrats pushed the Republicans from the processes, so there can be no compromise. No Republican ideas like medical tort reform or allowing insurance companies to compete across state lines have been considered and no Demonrat made an offer to add them in the bill. You would have compromise there if that was the case.

So I asked the the Demon Rats and their unhinged spokesman bobbo once again: “Why do you hate America?”

]]> By: KMFIX http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/02/10/du-poll-should-congress-do-away-with-the-filibuster/comment-page-3/#comment-1631086 KMFIX Wed, 10 Feb 2010 21:41:43 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=68903#comment-1631086 I'm all for it, as long as they actually do it.. not just threaten... I want to see these pricks standing there for hours spewing their garbage.. I'd bet if it came down to it... They'd all fail. I’m all for it, as long as they actually do it.. not just threaten… I want to see these pricks standing there for hours spewing their garbage..

I’d bet if it came down to it… They’d all fail.

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