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	<title>Comments on: CA Sobriety Checkpoints Are Becoming More About Profit Than Drunk Driving</title>
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		<title>By: calcheckpoint</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/02/15/ca-sobriety-checkpoints-are-becoming-more-about-profit-than-drunk-driving/comment-page-2/#comment-1646381</link>
		<dc:creator>calcheckpoint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 20:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;&quot;&quot;We should never drink and drive, but I still like to know where checkpoints
will be in Orange County, San Diego, and LA. I may use calcheckpoint
(www.twitter.com/calcheckpoint) to find out where they are.&quot;&quot;&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8221;"We should never drink and drive, but I still like to know where checkpoints<br />
will be in Orange County, San Diego, and LA. I may use calcheckpoint<br />
(www.twitter.com/calcheckpoint) to find out where they are.&#8221;"&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Karen n California</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen n California</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 01:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reading between the lines of this poorly researched and poorly written report clearly illustrates what every California citizen with a legal license already knows:
That the majority of illegally driving drunk drivers, illegally unlicensed drivers, illegally driven unregistered vehicles, stolen vehicles etc.... in California are Hispanics, and a whole lot of those are Hispanic illegal aliens.
And that is true, no matter what the percentage of Hispanics in whatever California city or town.
This is not news to any California drivers.

That illegal aliens (Hispanic or other) are unlicensed, driving illegally, and driving unregistered &amp; uninsured vehicles (also against the law), are often caught up in the checkpoints is not surprising to any California drivers either.

Raise your hand if your car has ever been hit by an unlicensed illegal alien driving an unregistered, uninsured vehicle in this state.
My hand is up, and I can guarantee that there are thousands of other legal licensed drivers in this state with their hand raised right now.
Who paid for our damages? WE DID.

How many of the impounded vehicles were unlicensed? unregistered?
How many were uninsured?
How many were stolen?
How many of the drivers carried stolen, and fraudulent IDs?
How many had warrants for prior crimes?
No data is included.
The researchers did not find that relevant information?
Or they did not include it, because it does not justify their objective? To skew data, to hide facts in order to paint a picture that is untrue, in order to make a statement about the way in which specifically Hispanic illegal aliens are handled by local police departments in our state. As if they are handled badly, when they are not.

Most cities and towns in southern California (if not the entire state) have a high percentage of Hispanics (30% or more), because Hispanics are not a &quot;minority&quot; in this state (although Hispanic advocacy groups would like to continue with that farce, to hijack as much minority funding from the state coffers, as long as they can).
So of course more Hispanics are going to be stopped in most cities, simply because there are more of them.
Most illegal aliens in California are Hispanic.

The fraudulent attempt by this piece to make it appear that Hispanic illegal aliens are being unfairly singled out is a sham.

Illegal aliens do not have any &quot;right&quot; to enter the USA illegally, or to overstay a visa. They do not have the &quot;right&quot; to live here illegally, they do not have the &quot;right&quot; to work here.
Illegal aliens do not have the &quot;right&quot; to drive in this state.
NOBODY has the right to drive without a legal license, without a legal, current vehicle registration, and without current insurance, and that INCLUDES illegal aliens (Hispanic or not).

Judging from the slant of this piece of propaganda, the researchers and/or &quot;reporter&quot; seem to think that Hispanic illegal aliens should get some special privilege, be treated &quot;special&quot;, in fact be treated BETTER than legal, law abiding citizens are treated.
You could not be more wrong.

I don&#039;t care how many vehicles are impounded from illegally driving illegal aliens (Hispanic or other).
I would like to see them all OFF the roadways.
In fact, I really wish the police would start calling ICE in to pick up all of those (Hispanic or not) illegal aliens who are caught violating yet another law, to get them deported as soon as possible, before that unlicensed illegal alien gets behind the wheel of yet another unregistered, uninsured car, and hurtles down the highway, drunk again, to harm another law abiding citizen (Hispanic or not).

Get the picture?
We got a load of the one this bogus &quot;research&quot; (propaganda) is pushing, and we aren&#039;t buying it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reading between the lines of this poorly researched and poorly written report clearly illustrates what every California citizen with a legal license already knows:<br />
That the majority of illegally driving drunk drivers, illegally unlicensed drivers, illegally driven unregistered vehicles, stolen vehicles etc&#8230;. in California are Hispanics, and a whole lot of those are Hispanic illegal aliens.<br />
And that is true, no matter what the percentage of Hispanics in whatever California city or town.<br />
This is not news to any California drivers.</p>
<p>That illegal aliens (Hispanic or other) are unlicensed, driving illegally, and driving unregistered &amp; uninsured vehicles (also against the law), are often caught up in the checkpoints is not surprising to any California drivers either.</p>
<p>Raise your hand if your car has ever been hit by an unlicensed illegal alien driving an unregistered, uninsured vehicle in this state.<br />
My hand is up, and I can guarantee that there are thousands of other legal licensed drivers in this state with their hand raised right now.<br />
Who paid for our damages? WE DID.</p>
<p>How many of the impounded vehicles were unlicensed? unregistered?<br />
How many were uninsured?<br />
How many were stolen?<br />
How many of the drivers carried stolen, and fraudulent IDs?<br />
How many had warrants for prior crimes?<br />
No data is included.<br />
The researchers did not find that relevant information?<br />
Or they did not include it, because it does not justify their objective? To skew data, to hide facts in order to paint a picture that is untrue, in order to make a statement about the way in which specifically Hispanic illegal aliens are handled by local police departments in our state. As if they are handled badly, when they are not.</p>
<p>Most cities and towns in southern California (if not the entire state) have a high percentage of Hispanics (30% or more), because Hispanics are not a &#8220;minority&#8221; in this state (although Hispanic advocacy groups would like to continue with that farce, to hijack as much minority funding from the state coffers, as long as they can).<br />
So of course more Hispanics are going to be stopped in most cities, simply because there are more of them.<br />
Most illegal aliens in California are Hispanic.</p>
<p>The fraudulent attempt by this piece to make it appear that Hispanic illegal aliens are being unfairly singled out is a sham.</p>
<p>Illegal aliens do not have any &#8220;right&#8221; to enter the USA illegally, or to overstay a visa. They do not have the &#8220;right&#8221; to live here illegally, they do not have the &#8220;right&#8221; to work here.<br />
Illegal aliens do not have the &#8220;right&#8221; to drive in this state.<br />
NOBODY has the right to drive without a legal license, without a legal, current vehicle registration, and without current insurance, and that INCLUDES illegal aliens (Hispanic or not).</p>
<p>Judging from the slant of this piece of propaganda, the researchers and/or &#8220;reporter&#8221; seem to think that Hispanic illegal aliens should get some special privilege, be treated &#8220;special&#8221;, in fact be treated BETTER than legal, law abiding citizens are treated.<br />
You could not be more wrong.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t care how many vehicles are impounded from illegally driving illegal aliens (Hispanic or other).<br />
I would like to see them all OFF the roadways.<br />
In fact, I really wish the police would start calling ICE in to pick up all of those (Hispanic or not) illegal aliens who are caught violating yet another law, to get them deported as soon as possible, before that unlicensed illegal alien gets behind the wheel of yet another unregistered, uninsured car, and hurtles down the highway, drunk again, to harm another law abiding citizen (Hispanic or not).</p>
<p>Get the picture?<br />
We got a load of the one this bogus &#8220;research&#8221; (propaganda) is pushing, and we aren&#8217;t buying it.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen53</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathleen53</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 20:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Keep the check points going ! Great idea.</description>
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		<title>By: SWILK3RS</title>
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		<dc:creator>SWILK3RS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 20:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Becoming?  I thought that was the ENTIRE idea of these.</description>
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		<title>By: Uncle Patso</title>
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		<dc:creator>Uncle Patso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 14:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description># 23 Nick:
&quot;[...] Tow companies are some of the worst highwaymen ever known. [...]&quot;

True; they are even more corrupt than the Mafia-owned trash hauling companies. When the cops and courts get in bed with the towing companies, look out! Whoever you are, your odds of losing your car just went up twenty-fold overnight. 

How many of the cars they are impounding are worth as much as the impound fee? They might as well just flat out take them, the effect is the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p># 23 Nick:<br />
&#8220;[...] Tow companies are some of the worst highwaymen ever known. [...]&#8221;</p>
<p>True; they are even more corrupt than the Mafia-owned trash hauling companies. When the cops and courts get in bed with the towing companies, look out! Whoever you are, your odds of losing your car just went up twenty-fold overnight. </p>
<p>How many of the cars they are impounding are worth as much as the impound fee? They might as well just flat out take them, the effect is the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Cain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Cain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 05:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Papers Please!

I&#039;m zorry zir, your papers are not in order!  You will have to come with me!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Papers Please!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m zorry zir, your papers are not in order!  You will have to come with me!</p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 04:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Easy fix... Make it a law that impound fees are paid for by the law enforcement agency for the first 7 days. Any other vehicle code infractions are fair game through the court system. So if the owner shows up with a license or licensed driver (+ insurance) to pick up the next day, then no harm no foul except for the ticket to the driver. Tow companies are some of the worst highwaymen ever known. Making the cops pay the upfront will make them think twice before impounding a car.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Easy fix&#8230; Make it a law that impound fees are paid for by the law enforcement agency for the first 7 days. Any other vehicle code infractions are fair game through the court system. So if the owner shows up with a license or licensed driver (+ insurance) to pick up the next day, then no harm no foul except for the ticket to the driver. Tow companies are some of the worst highwaymen ever known. Making the cops pay the upfront will make them think twice before impounding a car.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 02:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>back in 03 I got caught in one of those checkpoints,  they pulled me over the side and another cop asked me where my license was, said i lost it but I had University ID + vehicle  registration and I knew my ID number by heart.  Gave him my ID number and he called it in, 1 min later I was on my way.

these checkpoints are these to catch drunks, illegals, or people wit suspend licenses and I have no sympathy for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>back in 03 I got caught in one of those checkpoints,  they pulled me over the side and another cop asked me where my license was, said i lost it but I had University ID + vehicle  registration and I knew my ID number by heart.  Gave him my ID number and he called it in, 1 min later I was on my way.</p>
<p>these checkpoints are these to catch drunks, illegals, or people wit suspend licenses and I have no sympathy for them.</p>
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		<title>By: mjfigur</title>
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		<dc:creator>mjfigur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 02:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve S. - Given the ruling in United States v. Martinez-Fuerte(1976) these checkpoints are allowed despite the given scope of the checkpoint. I agree this may need to be reviewed and possibly this will occur if a good case comes forward given the new makeup of the Court.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve S. &#8211; Given the ruling in United States v. Martinez-Fuerte(1976) these checkpoints are allowed despite the given scope of the checkpoint. I agree this may need to be reviewed and possibly this will occur if a good case comes forward given the new makeup of the Court.</p>
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		<title>By: noname</title>
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		<dc:creator>noname</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 02:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;To protect and serve thy self&quot; about sums it up.

It&#039;s funny, as we become more and more a police state, more and more people are unemployed; coincidence, maybe not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;To protect and serve thy self&#8221; about sums it up.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s funny, as we become more and more a police state, more and more people are unemployed; coincidence, maybe not.</p>
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		<title>By: brm</title>
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		<dc:creator>brm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These guys are heroes! That little girl would&#039;ve drowned in the river if it weren&#039;t for...

oh wait

(btw, you can buy car insurance without a license)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These guys are heroes! That little girl would&#8217;ve drowned in the river if it weren&#8217;t for&#8230;</p>
<p>oh wait</p>
<p>(btw, you can buy car insurance without a license)</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Larson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Larson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What? Confiscate the cars of drivers who won&#039;t buy insurance but tool around in them anyhow? Oh the horror!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What? Confiscate the cars of drivers who won&#8217;t buy insurance but tool around in them anyhow? Oh the horror!</p>
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		<title>By: Phydeau</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phydeau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... not that there&#039;s anything &lt;i&gt;wrong&lt;/i&gt; with being rich and having friends in the police force... I wish I did!  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; not that there&#8217;s anything <i>wrong</i> with being rich and having friends in the police force&#8230; I wish I did!  <img src='http://www.dvorak.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Phydeau</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phydeau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#8 &lt;i&gt;In the rich white neighborhoods, half the traffic on the roads is made up of hispanic maids and landscaping crews.&lt;/i&gt;

And most of them are illegals I bet.  No, they won&#039;t set up these checkpoints in rich white neighborhoods.  Because all the illegals you&#039;d be locking up are their lawn boys and maids, and rich white people have friends in the police force and don&#039;t like to be inconvenienced!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#8 <i>In the rich white neighborhoods, half the traffic on the roads is made up of hispanic maids and landscaping crews.</i></p>
<p>And most of them are illegals I bet.  No, they won&#8217;t set up these checkpoints in rich white neighborhoods.  Because all the illegals you&#8217;d be locking up are their lawn boys and maids, and rich white people have friends in the police force and don&#8217;t like to be inconvenienced!</p>
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		<title>By: The0ne</title>
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		<dc:creator>The0ne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Feb 2010 19:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually don&#039;t mind the idea but the idea has really gone overboard imo. LA is a prime example of this. They&#039;ve made millions upon millions from traffic cases. My city, San Diego, is considering imposing and enforcing similar ideas to get more money.

The problem is that when officers are enforced to carry this out some will undoubtedly go out of their way to get their quota...kinda like traffic cops. And while they may have a legal reason to cite you and you have almost no chance of winning when you go to court to appearl, it doesn&#039;t make it right.

Citizen: Yes, my tail light is broken. I&#039;m trying to find a goddamm job so I can fix it, please let me go! *begs*

Cop: What was that you said? Didn&#039;t I tell you, you have the right to remain silent and all the BS? Well buddy, you just broke another law. Here&#039;s another fine for you. GL with the job finding and I&#039;ll see you in court hahaha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually don&#8217;t mind the idea but the idea has really gone overboard imo. LA is a prime example of this. They&#8217;ve made millions upon millions from traffic cases. My city, San Diego, is considering imposing and enforcing similar ideas to get more money.</p>
<p>The problem is that when officers are enforced to carry this out some will undoubtedly go out of their way to get their quota&#8230;kinda like traffic cops. And while they may have a legal reason to cite you and you have almost no chance of winning when you go to court to appearl, it doesn&#8217;t make it right.</p>
<p>Citizen: Yes, my tail light is broken. I&#8217;m trying to find a goddamm job so I can fix it, please let me go! *begs*</p>
<p>Cop: What was that you said? Didn&#8217;t I tell you, you have the right to remain silent and all the BS? Well buddy, you just broke another law. Here&#8217;s another fine for you. GL with the job finding and I&#8217;ll see you in court hahaha</p>
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