Comments on: Is Mandatory Microchipping Your Dog the First Step Toward Chipping Your Child? http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/03/09/is-manditory-microchipping-your-dog-the-first-step-toward-chipping-your-child/ General interest observations and true web-log. Mon, 13 Feb 2012 06:39:26 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Scooter http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/03/09/is-manditory-microchipping-your-dog-the-first-step-toward-chipping-your-child/comment-page-3/#comment-1640247 Scooter Thu, 11 Mar 2010 13:47:16 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=70339#comment-1640247 I wouldn’t mind getting chipped. As long as the chip is removable should I decide to do it? And no, it is not possible to track people using the current chips to track people at least now. At some point if entry into any place requires a chip then it could in theory be used to track people by networking the sites together. At that point I would say it is time to remove the chip. As for the mark of the beast argument, in the past the six pointed star and rings used to emboss wax seals on contracts were also called the mark of the beast. I don't hear anyone complain about those now. There is nothing to indicate that the microchip is anything different. I wouldn’t mind getting chipped. As long as the chip is removable should I decide to do it? And no, it is not possible to track people using the current chips to track people at least now. At some point if entry into any place requires a chip then it could in theory be used to track people by networking the sites together. At that point I would say it is time to remove the chip. As for the mark of the beast argument, in the past the six pointed star and rings used to emboss wax seals on contracts were also called the mark of the beast. I don’t hear anyone complain about those now. There is nothing to indicate that the microchip is anything different.

]]> By: roughbeast http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/03/09/is-manditory-microchipping-your-dog-the-first-step-toward-chipping-your-child/comment-page-3/#comment-1639904 roughbeast Wed, 10 Mar 2010 16:29:12 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=70339#comment-1639904 I agree, the chip looks like a beer bottle w/ condom. Inspired design! Do you 666 guys ever come off the slippery slope? There's dry land over here! I agree, the chip looks like a beer bottle w/ condom. Inspired design!

Do you 666 guys ever come off the slippery slope? There’s dry land over here!

]]> By: amodedoma http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/03/09/is-manditory-microchipping-your-dog-the-first-step-toward-chipping-your-child/comment-page-3/#comment-1639849 amodedoma Wed, 10 Mar 2010 10:47:22 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=70339#comment-1639849 Somebody else suggested this could be a move by the banks to reduce credit card fraud. To do this thing, you chip the hand and use a biometric scanner to confirm with the fingerprint. Easier and faster than swiping your credit card and more than enough security for the application. At first it'll be voluntary, the banks will draw people in with special interest rates etc. Eventually, these things become mandatory and sensors will be everywhere logging and networking our every move. That's when I go to the mountains to live in a cave. Somebody else suggested this could be a move by the banks to reduce credit card fraud. To do this thing, you chip the hand and use a biometric scanner to confirm with the fingerprint. Easier and faster than swiping your credit card and more than enough security for the application. At first it’ll be voluntary, the banks will draw people in with special interest rates etc. Eventually, these things become mandatory and sensors will be everywhere logging and networking our every move.
That’s when I go to the mountains to live in a cave.

]]> By: OvenMaster http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/03/09/is-manditory-microchipping-your-dog-the-first-step-toward-chipping-your-child/comment-page-2/#comment-1639827 OvenMaster Wed, 10 Mar 2010 06:26:12 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=70339#comment-1639827 There's a teenager from the UK on a computer forum I'm on, and he was actually bragging about voluntarily getting chipped in the back of his hand last week. He's telling us he's looking forward to being able to unlock doors, switch on room lights, start his car, etc. with a wave of his hand. He never considered being monitored by government agencies until we told him it was possible. He stopped bragging... and stopped posting. There’s a teenager from the UK on a computer forum I’m on, and he was actually bragging about voluntarily getting chipped in the back of his hand last week. He’s telling us he’s looking forward to being able to unlock doors, switch on room lights, start his car, etc. with a wave of his hand.

He never considered being monitored by government agencies until we told him it was possible. He stopped bragging… and stopped posting.

]]> By: Ah_Yea http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/03/09/is-manditory-microchipping-your-dog-the-first-step-toward-chipping-your-child/comment-page-2/#comment-1639823 Ah_Yea Wed, 10 Mar 2010 06:04:08 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=70339#comment-1639823 I've got mixed feelings on this. I don't want anyone to track my whereabouts, yet I use my debit card everywhere I go. I want my anonymity, yet I want my medical history available instantly when it's needed most. Do the benefits outweigh the drawbacks? Probably. I’ve got mixed feelings on this.

I don’t want anyone to track my whereabouts, yet I use my debit card everywhere I go.

I want my anonymity, yet I want my medical history available instantly when it’s needed most.

Do the benefits outweigh the drawbacks?

Probably.

]]> By: GetSmart http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/03/09/is-manditory-microchipping-your-dog-the-first-step-toward-chipping-your-child/comment-page-2/#comment-1639811 GetSmart Wed, 10 Mar 2010 05:31:12 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=70339#comment-1639811 I guess I'm just going have to finish that steel chain mail shirt and trousers I started a while back. Fortunately, they will accent my tinfoil hat nicely. I guess I’m just going have to finish that steel chain mail shirt and trousers I started a while back. Fortunately, they will accent my tinfoil hat nicely.

]]> By: clancys_daddy http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/03/09/is-manditory-microchipping-your-dog-the-first-step-toward-chipping-your-child/comment-page-2/#comment-1639777 clancys_daddy Wed, 10 Mar 2010 02:48:11 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=70339#comment-1639777 Actually my beagle is chipped. The little fart is an escape artist when it comes to getting out of a dog run pen or wireless fenced yard. Twice animal control picked him up and I got a phone call at work that he was loose. I am happy I did it. As far as chipping kids mine are to old and most can be found with a cell phone today. Actually my beagle is chipped. The little fart is an escape artist when it comes to getting out of a dog run pen or wireless fenced yard. Twice animal control picked him up and I got a phone call at work that he was loose. I am happy I did it. As far as chipping kids mine are to old and most can be found with a cell phone today.

]]> By: NelsonOH http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/03/09/is-manditory-microchipping-your-dog-the-first-step-toward-chipping-your-child/comment-page-2/#comment-1639760 NelsonOH Wed, 10 Mar 2010 01:56:45 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=70339#comment-1639760 "Britain is a nation of animal lovers, but people have a fundamental right to feel safe on the streets and in their homes." Uh, maybe if the Brits had not been disarmed, they wouldn't need to resort to owning a lethal animal. Gun Control? -check Animal Control? -check People Control? -check “Britain is a nation of animal lovers, but people have a fundamental right to feel safe on the streets and in their homes.”

Uh, maybe if the Brits had not been disarmed, they wouldn’t need to resort to owning a lethal animal.

Gun Control? -check
Animal Control? -check
People Control? -check

]]> By: RSweeney http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/03/09/is-manditory-microchipping-your-dog-the-first-step-toward-chipping-your-child/comment-page-2/#comment-1639752 RSweeney Wed, 10 Mar 2010 01:12:07 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=70339#comment-1639752 Baggins, the livestock tags in Europe are subcutaneous injection, same as used here for pets. As for tags that don't stay killed, as I recall, Alien had a fake kill that was really a "be silent until you get the extra special magic code". This doesn't meet the EPC standard for kill. The real kill is irreversible - or at least it was when I left EPC Global and the AutoID Lab in 2005. Baggins, the livestock tags in Europe are subcutaneous injection, same as used here for pets.

As for tags that don’t stay killed, as I recall, Alien had a fake kill that was really a “be silent until you get the extra special magic code”. This doesn’t meet the EPC standard for kill. The real kill is irreversible – or at least it was when I left EPC Global and the AutoID Lab in 2005.

]]> By: Olo Baggins of Bywater http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/03/09/is-manditory-microchipping-your-dog-the-first-step-toward-chipping-your-child/comment-page-2/#comment-1639747 Olo Baggins of Bywater Wed, 10 Mar 2010 00:50:59 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=70339#comment-1639747 RSweeney, those livestock tags hang on ears, is that right? I guess I'm mainly curious what happens when they're under skin. fwiw about four years ago I helped develop and write an RFID training program and test prep for CompTIA's RFID+. Random fact...we get tags that won't stay dead when killed. I think they come from Alien. RSweeney, those livestock tags hang on ears, is that right? I guess I’m mainly curious what happens when they’re under skin.

fwiw about four years ago I helped develop and write an RFID training program and test prep for CompTIA’s RFID+. Random fact…we get tags that won’t stay dead when killed. I think they come from Alien.

]]> By: RSweeney http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/03/09/is-manditory-microchipping-your-dog-the-first-step-toward-chipping-your-child/comment-page-2/#comment-1639739 RSweeney Wed, 10 Mar 2010 00:07:39 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=70339#comment-1639739 Olo Baggins, #31, I have worked on the LF, HF, and UHF tags and systems. Was one of the founders of the MIT AutoID Center and a father of EPC along with others in the merry band of co-conspirators in the late 90's. Naturally, most efforts were in UHF EPC and also realization of ultra-cheap printed polymer electronic HF tagging for EPC. No dogs were used in the testing. TIRIS was developed for livestock in Europe where they are pretty serious about meat quality. Max range on the TIRIS that I personally can attest are a little over a meter with legal readers, several meters if you are unconstrained by the law. Wet salty meat is not exactly the best substrate to have around RFID. But... Your wallet is the place to really watch. There is enough standoff space there for some very good antenna gain tricks in UHF. Olo Baggins, #31, I have worked on the LF, HF, and UHF tags and systems. Was one of the founders of the MIT AutoID Center and a father of EPC along with others in the merry band of co-conspirators in the late 90′s.

Naturally, most efforts were in UHF EPC and also realization of ultra-cheap printed polymer electronic HF tagging for EPC.

No dogs were used in the testing. TIRIS was developed for livestock in Europe where they are pretty serious about meat quality. Max range on the TIRIS that I personally can attest are a little over a meter with legal readers, several meters if you are unconstrained by the law. Wet salty meat is not exactly the best substrate to have around RFID. But… Your wallet is the place to really watch. There is enough standoff space there for some very good antenna gain tricks in UHF.

]]> By: RSweeney http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/03/09/is-manditory-microchipping-your-dog-the-first-step-toward-chipping-your-child/comment-page-2/#comment-1639738 RSweeney Tue, 09 Mar 2010 23:54:09 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=70339#comment-1639738 #28, no question. covert reading of RFID is (IMO) one of the most dangerous to liberty technologies out there. It's just too easy and cheap to subvert. That's why EPC standard RFID tags for retail tagging have a non-recoverable "KILL" function on them - to prevent your underwear or your shoes from leaving a tell-tale track. RFID is by far the easiest and most reliable means to implement "Minority Report" (the movie) style tracking of individual humans. Much easier than retinal or iris scanning. #28, no question.

covert reading of RFID is (IMO) one of the most dangerous to liberty technologies out there. It’s just too easy and cheap to subvert.

That’s why EPC standard RFID tags for retail tagging have a non-recoverable “KILL” function on them – to prevent your underwear or your shoes from leaving a tell-tale track.

RFID is by far the easiest and most reliable means to implement “Minority Report” (the movie) style tracking of individual humans. Much easier than retinal or iris scanning.

]]> By: Olo Baggins of Bywater http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/03/09/is-manditory-microchipping-your-dog-the-first-step-toward-chipping-your-child/comment-page-2/#comment-1639737 Olo Baggins of Bywater Tue, 09 Mar 2010 23:51:41 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=70339#comment-1639737 RSweeney thanks for the info. My practical experience is with UHF tags. In your experience, what's the max range of implanted tags? Did you get to bring your dog to work to test tags? ;) RSweeney thanks for the info. My practical experience is with UHF tags. In your experience, what’s the max range of implanted tags?

Did you get to bring your dog to work to test tags? ;)

]]> By: chris http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/03/09/is-manditory-microchipping-your-dog-the-first-step-toward-chipping-your-child/comment-page-2/#comment-1639736 chris Tue, 09 Mar 2010 23:50:37 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=70339#comment-1639736 Pervasive loss of privacy is a fact of life. Doesn't the thread photo look like a beer bottle with a condom on it? Pervasive loss of privacy is a fact of life. Doesn’t the thread photo look like a beer bottle with a condom on it?

]]> By: GF http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/03/09/is-manditory-microchipping-your-dog-the-first-step-toward-chipping-your-child/comment-page-2/#comment-1639735 GF Tue, 09 Mar 2010 23:44:10 +0000 http://www.dvorak.org/blog/?p=70339#comment-1639735 Sens. Chuck Schumer (D., N.Y.) and Lindsey Graham (R., S.C.) want to make a national biometric identification card, a worker ID. The only problem is that they want your fingerprints embedded on the card too. Ironically when countering the American Civil Liberties Union comments about the invasion of privacy Sen. Graham says we all have Social Security cards he just wants to make them tamper proof. Yes, yes, originally Social Security card numbers were to be used ONLY by the Social Security Administration but I have yet to see one job application that doesn't ask for this personal information. Thanks FDR, thanks for assuring the American people that it would NEVER be used as an identity card. http://preview.tinyurl.com/y955f8o Sens. Chuck Schumer (D., N.Y.) and Lindsey Graham (R., S.C.) want to make a national biometric identification card, a worker ID. The only problem is that they want your fingerprints embedded on the card too. Ironically when countering the American Civil Liberties Union comments about the invasion of privacy Sen. Graham says we all have Social Security cards he just wants to make them tamper proof. Yes, yes, originally Social Security card numbers were to be used ONLY by the Social Security Administration but I have yet to see one job application that doesn’t ask for this personal information. Thanks FDR, thanks for assuring the American people that it would NEVER be used as an identity card.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/y955f8o

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