Read about people who having lost their jobs became full-time Tea Party People.
While there are a number of valid points the Tea Party folks make, there’s a certain level of dishonesty about their furor. One example, the Republicans who vehemently supported nearly identical positions until Democrats supported them. Rosie O’Donnell, of all people, makes a strong case about it.
Rosie O’Donnel, now there’s a unbiased source of reasoning…Never carries a torch, never spins information, doesn’t have an agenda…
Yep, certainly someone I’d quote.
#11, Benjy,
Health care that was supposed to make health insurance more affordable does just the opposite. If your employee does contribute any amount for your health insurance, that amount is now taxable, payable by you. So much for not raising the taxes on the middle class. I don’t make that much, but this is going to cost me a lot more in taxes.
Really? You see this is part of the stuff that attracts tea baggers. They believe it. Just because it is made up is irrelevant. Believing in this crap requires no thought process. Just faith that who ever told you didn’t lie.
I would ask you to point to the part of the bill that does that. But I know you won’t even try to back it up. Why would you? That would require some actual searching. No, it is better you ignore me and continue believing in your lies.
#16 Uncle Dave – .. the operative term is they’re “suppose” ..to be smart!
As a source I give you: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/31106408/ It is from the liberal news site MSNBC, not Fox News. Even liberal MSNBC says it, so there.
The bill is 1100 pages long. The reporters at MSNBC do a better job at parsing the bill than I.
#22 Mr Fusion said,
“Believing in this crap requires no thought process. Just faith that who ever told you didn’t lie.
I would ask you to point to the part of the bill that does that. But I know you won’t even try to back it up. Why would you? That would require some actual searching. No, it is better you ignore me and continue believing in your lies.”
#12,
If you believe the Tea Party folks only criticize Democrats, you haven’t been paying attention. It is true that the majority of the criticism is directed at Democrats, but there are several Republicans that also are in the crosshairs (ie. McCain, Graham, Snowe, Collins — at least Specter had the decency to defect).
The Tea Party is all about complaints, but I have never seen any specific solutions mentioned. “Smaller Government” and “Lower Taxes” are their answer to everything, but the NEVER give any specifics. The queen of that ideology is Sarah Palin, and I am still waiting to hear something specific.
The people in the video complain that their house is ‘underwater’… they paid too much for it, or borrowed too much against it, so please just shut up about that situation. They complain about high taxes, yet they are NOT PAYING ANY TAXES AT ALL, since they are unemployed, living off of Social Security and being treated by Medicare.
You want to attend a gathering of clueless ignorant people, go to a Tea Party rally and talk to the membership. I have just attended out of curiosity… it is truly amazing how ignorant these people are. And the younger membership is just plain nasty.
#10
“Who cares about policy. It is like watching Jerry Springer”
good one!
#15
Embarrassed at being Republican and want to be associated with something new. Dallas nails it.
#15–Dallas==classic. Well Done.
Any group has a fringe element but how many, what percentage, of a group is no longer a fringe but rather is the active leadership?
I’ve seen too many of “the leaders” of the Teabaggers be what in same times would be dismissed as the fringe===BUT THEY ARE THE LEADERSHIP!!
Case in prime–Dick Army.
Book Tv had a good show tracing this all back to Congress Redistricting themselves into safe districts where appeal to the base RATHER THAN appeal to the center is what is driving all the polarization we see today.
Fun to analyse why things are the way they are==often from totally unintended consequences==always my favorite. Here, incumbents understandably and reasonably want to do all they can to assure their re-elecctions but they create a system that requires them to appeal to the fringe.
Only the people can force a change to this two party corruption. We are doomed.
Bobbo…heard another related reason for the fringe takeover this weekend: primaries. Only the political junkies vote in these things, forcing the candidate to appeal to the edges of the relevant platform. That gets the nutters elected rather than moderates who appeal to wider audiences.
Add that factor to the gerrymandering, and we have the beginnings of a solution.
Yeah, but all that stuff was done under a white man, not a secret Muslim Kenyan here to outlaw Christianity and confiscate our guns before putting 300,000,000 people in secret FEMA camps (go ahead, laugh, but most of the Tea Party BELIEVES this stuff, they’re INSANE).
All the stealing, torturing, abuse of government power, spying on Americans, etc was ok with a white guy. But when we elected a black President who won in a landslide after campaigning for a YEAR on the idea that people in America deserved the right to see a doctor if they are sick, that makes you ANGRY!? That’s a SLIPPERY SLOPE! LOL. Dude, we were on that SLOPE a LONG LONG LONG LONG LONG time before the idea of Canada style health care (which by the way is pretty good, they are after all MORE healthy than we are, and they drink like fish).
#29–olo==I do think we are saying/recognizing EXACTLY the same mechanism.
Just some points…
“Eventually she quit her job… to focus on it (tea party) full time”
“But real estate agents told them the home would sell for about $40,000 less than they paid 19 years ago — not enough to pay off their mortgage.”
“The Reimers feel disconnected from their community”
“I just do. I don’t pay attention, I just do.”
Names: Don and Diana Reimer
Town, State: Lansdale, PA
House: Bought in 1991 for $137,500
Value: 2009 $129,840
Last Names of owners within 200 ft of their home
Remel
May
Connelly
Hobson
Veasey
Shaw
Flango
Spofford
Sullivan
Scott
Ayars
Orosz
McCoy
Daveler
Now ask yourself, why did she leave a paying job to complain that the government doesn’t do anything GOOD about the economy?
Now ask, that 40k less than their purchase price. Is that before or after Obama? And has it come back up to its current assessment? Was that the improving economy?
Ask, why do they feel disconnected when within 200 feet of their home there are 14 families and almost every one of them have Northern European surnames?
Perhaps they didn’t bother getting along with them in the first place?
Now, consider…
“I just do. I don’t pay attention, I just do.”
Do I need to say more?
She is 67 years old. She is right around the age of the free wheelin’ 60s group. Was she part of the movement against the war in Nam? Is this a desire to relive old memories about being against a “gubermint” not listening to the people?
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- All data is gathered by using Google searches and the Montgomery County Property Appraiser public records search.
Learn well kids… it is not hard to find people if you REALLY want to and they make themselves REALLY public.
Looks like Mr. Rimer could save us taxpayers a lot on money if he would make better lifestyle choices. He looks like he has made himself into a potential burden to that government healthcare he enjoys.
They are not evidenced on informed Tea party members.
So Mrs. Rimer quit her job to do this…so she isn’t paying taxes at all. And when she gets ill, I guarantee she won’t complain about Medicare.
Sheesh
I guess those full time TP people get free health care? Just asking.
Seriously.
Very likely the Tea Party grew from this Republican woman. The elderly provide an insight to group think because they speak their mind.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=0YIq5Q15L1o&feature=player_embedded
I see a lot of fear manifested as anger in the rhetoric of these protesters. They struggle to articulate their anger, most just resort to soundbites from Fox News, but I suspect they’re really afraid of being lowered down another notch closer to the poor people they’ve always felt superior to. The idea of sharing the space in their doctor’s waiting room with ‘that guy’ must be terrifying.
#24, Benjy
Like I said, you wouldn’t point out the part of the bill that causes premiums to rise. BTW, your link is from August ’09 when the bill was in Committee and various proposals were being discussed.
So continue to post your fantasies. Just because you believe them though, doesn’t make them true.
I’m not sure this is on topic, but these numbers just struck me as being off somehow:
# 32 Cursor_ cites some figures:
“But real estate agents told them the home would sell for about $40,000 less than they paid 19 years ago — not enough to pay off their mortgage.” (Emphasis added.)
Which makes me wonder — they’ve been paying on this mortgage for 19 years and they haven’t even paid off $40,000 yet? That’s less than $175/month! What have they been doing, taking out home equity loans to pay for a new Cadillac every year?
(IMHO, home equity loans ought to be illegal.)
#39
It is the typical reaction for United States people that feel “entitled” since the saved the world from the Nazis.
They feel they SHOULD make a tidy profit from buying a home. Well it is not a guarantee when you do. And in many cases you either break even or take a slight loss. ESPECIALLY in a downturn economy.
If I could have found the figures for 2005 I think we would have seen that the price of the house was between 200k and 250k. As some of the houses around the area sold in 2005-6 for about 225k from the records.
So why didn’t they sell then? Well I can bet you can guess why.
Avarice comes to mind first.
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