Oklahoma militia monument
Fed up with what they see as Washington’s intrusion into their state, Oklahoma “tea party” leaders and some conservative legislators want to create a volunteer militia to defend against the federal government.
“Is it scary? It sure is,” said Al Gerhart, a tea party activist who heads the Oklahoma Constitutional Alliance. “But when do the states stop rolling over for the federal government?”
State Rep. Charles Key, a Republican representing Oklahoma City, said he believes there’s a good chance that legislation could be introduced next year to authorize a militia.
A tea party leader in Tulsa, J.W. Berry, has been soliciting interest through his newsletter, urging that readers “buy more guns, more bullets.”
“It’s not a far-right crazy plan or anything like that,” Berry said. “This would be done with the full cooperation of the state Legislature…”
If politicians match your paranoia – it’s not crazy?
Critics point out that the National Guard already provides for the state’s military needs. They worry a militia would stoke extremism…
Next Monday marks the 15th anniversary of the anti-government terrorist attack by Timothy McVeigh. The former U.S. soldier and militia sympathizer killed 168 men, women and children with a truck bomb at the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building. He was executed in June 2001.
Yeah we need more racist KKK anti-government, anti-Jew, anti-gay crazies with guns running around trying to stop “them”. Just hope you’re not “them” this week.
Think I’m being paranoid? Go to one of these meetings? It’s almost all white, almost all “proud white” (ahem) folks who ALL USE government services, and just don’t want to pay for them (“Keep your government hands off my Medicare!”).
Just nut balls. Sorry. You can dress up and pretend to play Patriot, and pretend Obama is going to take over the nation with his secret Kenyan Muslim army, but you’re f**king crazy. Sorry. Grow up and stop playing pretend soldier.
#19 seapee…back then it was GW and his merry band of brave pranksters. Today is it Obama and his motherfucking Marines. Ya know what? You don’t stand a chance.
#22
Love it, still laughing
Who cares that 22 states already have genuine organized state militia.
Can’t let facts get in the way of paranoia.
Shall we bring up Obama’s desires for a national police force as well armed as the military?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s&eurl=http://www.850koa.com/pages/gunnybob.html
RSweeney, posters here at DU don’t let facts and reasoning get in the way!
It’s always amusing to see ignorant idiots like many above who relate the KKK to Republicans.
A little smidgen of truth:
“History shows that the Ku Klux Klan was the terrorist arm of the Democrat Party … “Founded in 1866 as a Tennessee social club, the Ku Klux Klan spread into nearly every Southern state, launching a ‘reign of terror’ against Republican leaders black and white.” … The Democrats started the Ku Klux Klan to lynch and terrorize blacks. The Democrats fought to prevent the passage of every civil rights law beginning with the civil rights laws of the 1860s, and continuing with the civil rights laws of the 1950s and 1960s. During the civil rights era of the 1960s, Dr. King was fighting the Democrats who stood in the school house doors, turned skin-burning fire hoses on blacks and let loose vicious dogs. Democrat President John F. Kennedy is lauded as a proponent of civil rights. However, Kennedy voted against the 1957 Civil Rights Act while he was a senator, as did Democrat Sen. Al Gore Sr … Today, some of those “Dixiecrats” continue their political careers as Democrats, including Robert Byrd, who is well known for having been a “Keagle” in the Ku Klux Klan.”
http://tinyurl.com/y3u4ddf
Pretty much sums up the Democratic Party. Slavery by any other names smell just as rancid.
The Democrats were all for preserving physical slavery through the 1950′s and 60′s. When that failed, they switched to economic slavery instead.
Did you decry Obama’s “I want Brownshirts” speech?
Did you have anything to say when the Obamacare bill just happened to have provisions for armed goon squads?
Or is violence only unacceptable when it implies resistance to tyranny?
# 20 Olo Baggins of Bywater I bet you already have after all the best atheist have read the bible. Nothing wrong with being well read.
#25 Poor Ah_Yea, fighting a battle of wits only half-armed.
Yes, the Democratic party used to be the party of racists. Then they got a conscience, the Republicans decided to use the Southern Strategy (google it, young grasshopper) and the vast majority of the racists migrated to the Republican party. And now we have the Old South solidly Republican.
This is history 101, grasshopper. Read and learn.
# 25: Ah_Yea
Ahem: Those were Dixiecrats, only voted Democratic ticket because the Republicans freed the slaves. When LBJ ( A Democrat) finally made Civil Rights a federally mandated law that FINALLY insured the rights of minorities, they ran screaming to the “White People’s Party”, the
Republican Party. You really gotta read some history dude.
Yes, I would also love to live in the past. I need to build a time machine soon. Future is for puss*** I tell you, and Darwin is a dumbass. We don’t evolve a bit. We like our little closed world, our pathetic and sorrowful past histories.
We don’t even care whether what we know and learn from our history is 100% accurate and/or relates at all to any time period. We just want our guns and shoot, shoot anyone even staring at our grass/dirt.
If I’m not mistaken I think G.Washington wanted us to also keep a handy axe around so we can lop off people’s head when they plant any type of tree. I’m pretty sure, well…99.99% sure. And that flying kite thing with the key, Franklin is telling us to keep being “high” and Bell is advocating we use the telephone to spy on anyone and everyone.
People, get your heads together. Do what our history tells us to do dammit. Civil War! I need to snipe some people myself although I don’t want guns around me…but hey, if you guys want me to own guns and shoot people I’m for it!
A truly open-minded government would be for “dissenting” types of monuments that are anti-government.
It would be the ultimate message of freedom in a world that wants to become a police state.
Of course it will never happen. But that just reminds us we have less of this so-called “freedom” than we think.
#19–seapre==did you misspell your own name or do you really mean to present yourself as a bird brain?
#25–Ah Yea==this thread, actually Phydeau’s response to you, is what a thinking person would call “a learning opportunity.” Can you still “learn” Ah Yea? You made such a silly argument containing a terrible flaw also evidenced by Seapre===”thinking” in labels.
when you spout off in label speak, disregarding the history/the real events that have taken place, you really show yourself to be a bucket without a bottom: useless.
Tired? Lazy? Recalling things you used to think and forgot you learned they were false?
Whats up bunky?
“It’s not a far-right crazy plan or anything like that,”
Um, yeah. It is.
Militia groups hate the properly elected public representatives, and typically carry out violent acts in representation and aligned with foreign powers.
Here is Iraq for example.
“The implicit threat is that if Iran is unable to achieve its objectives one way, it has militia groups that it can use to turn up the violence,” said Marisa Cochrane Sullivan, a scholar at the Institute for the Study of War who has written extensively about Shiite militias. “The stakes are very high for Iran in this election. It’s not surprising if they’re pursuing concurring actions.”
If Darfur’s militia’s are any indication, there will be some use for them by the next Republican administration.
Is this one reason why Fox News is attempting to establish militias in the USA right now?
“The violence in Darfur began in February 2003, when two black rebel groups launched an offensive against the government, citing discrimination against the region’s three main black tribes. The government armed and trained local Arab militias to put down the rebellion and drive thousands of potential backers from their villages, according to U.S. officials and human rights groups.”
Oh, Phydeau, and you too Bobbo, turning from facts to fantasy and wishful thinking.
First, Phydeau. Let go of your blinders (yea, like that is going to happen) and learn the truth.
“Clay Risen wrote in a review of The End of Southern Exceptionalism, a scholarly work by Richard Johnston and Byron Shafer, “In the postwar era… the South transformed itself from a backward region to an engine of the national economy, giving rise to a sizable new wealthy suburban class. This very busy and perhaps, therefore, distracted class, not surprisingly, began to vote for the party, it perceived, best represented its economic interests: the Republican Party.”
The South turned Republican because of affluence and the desire not to give it all away to “tax and spend democrats” as personified by Johnson.
GetSmart: Dixiecrats? Do you even know the definition?
“The States’ Rights Democratic Party (commonly known as the Dixiecrats) was a shortlived segregationist, socially conservative political party in the United States. It originated as a breakaway faction of the Democratic Party in 1948, determined to protect what they portrayed as the Southern way of life beset by an oppressive federal government, and supporters assumed control of the state Democratic parties in part or in full in several Southern states. The States’ Rights Democratic Party opposed racial integration and wanted to retain Jim Crow laws and white supremacy. Members of the States’ Rights Democratic Party were often called Dixiecrats. (The term Dixiecrat is a portmanteau of Dixie, referring to the Southern United States, and Democrat, referring to the Democratic Party.)”
Ah Yea–I know you are well traveled, but have you ever driven through/lived in the South?===of the USA? Do you read the newspaper/blogs/lame stream media and have any perception at all about what kind of political leaders come out of what areas? (North, South, East, West eg–the liberal coasts, the heartland etc).
So, thinking you have, what following sentiment better describes the South:
1. “an engine of the national economy, giving rise to a sizable new wealthy suburban class.”
or
2. Backwoods of America awash in welfare support, religious cults, racial divisions, and failing public education.
You pick.
“an engine of the national economy, giving rise to a sizable new wealthy suburban class.”
wealthy suburban class that does not grow fruits and vegetables, ranch or produce food, but consume food.
wealthy suburban class that does not work in machine shops, as mechanics, or as fabricators, but does drive cars or ride taxis or the bus.
wealthy suburban class that does not repair air conditioners, refrigerators, or washers or dryers, yet uses all the conveniences of modern household appliances.
wealthy suburban class that does not produce, yet consumes beyond anything that the northeastern elitist classes of asses educated in the finest liberal arts universities across the union could possibly reproduce without the help of those Backwoods, welfare consuming, cult worshipping, racists failing public education…LABELS?
Quit moderating for comments that Eideard the retread find acceptable.
Once upon a time we had Civil Defense that handled emergencies and prepared civilians to protect themselves from military attack. It seems like that group was more about arming yourself with knowledge and skill than just with ammo (although that’s helpful too when the crap hits the fan like when many police in Orleans Parrish left and you were left to protect yourself).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_civil_defense
Yes, it’s Wikipedia so YMMV.
Whether these people are crazy, misguided, or smartly vigilant is up to you to decide. As long as they don’t trample on the rights of others, I don’t see the big deal (and no, you won’t see me joining).
You can be sure that these folks will be watched by the FBI but that’s no comfort IF a crazy member decides to do something like McVeigh…
# 26 Sombody:
“Did you have anything to say when the Obamacare bill just happened to have provisions for armed goon squads?”
I don’t remember that part! Is that anywhere near the section that says we can’t go fishing any more? Or the part that gave six billion dollars to ACORN? (Oops! Too late. ACORN is no more, destroyed by lies.)
“Or is violence only unacceptable when it implies resistance to tyranny?”
Oh, we must free our Sooner drivers from the tyranny of Interstate and Federal highways! We must close all those totalitarian Post Offices and ban those despotic Amtrak trains. We must tell all our people with money in the bank that we have freed them from that onerous Federal Deposit Insurance. In fact, we shall print our own money! (SoonerBucks?) We are unbound by the oppressive shackles of the Pure Food and Drug Act, huzzah! All the U.S. Army, Air Force and Marine Corps installations in Oklahoma must be closed immediately! Our farmers will weep with joy at being liberated from those horrible agricultural subsidies! As will our musicians, authors, inventors and engineers when we rid them of all that hated copyright and patent protection! Our poorer students will finally learn character when we rescue them from those dictatorial subsidized school lunches! Our pilots will be overjoyed that we have dropped out of that Fascist Air Traffic Control organization, as well as the hated FAA. Our electric companies will joyfully remove us from the absolutist power grid! No longer will our sick citizens be threatened by the work of the authoritarian National Institutes of Health or the autocratic Centers for Disease Control! Huzzah again! (I could go on…)