The knee grow always gets the short end. Let’s face it, if this had been a country of blonde haired, blue eye babes – they would have had new condos by now.
Re#16, Bobbo, re #15…
Animby’s point is very clear to me. The UN is behaving as badly as they have in the past, in his experience. They are using the land closest to the city for their own use, complete with all amenities, while those who really need their help are being shunted an hour away from the rest of society, with no amenities. Shameful.
# 16 bobbo, “what am I missing?”
Thanks to Skeptic for coming to my defense but, in truth, I had no point to make about Haiti other than nothing they do surprises me. It wouldn’t surprise me at all to find the land they settled on belongs to a cousin of some UN official. I’m NOT accusing, just saying such shenanigans would not surprise me.
By the way – those tents! A tropical island in the summer and they want people to live in greenhouses? Hurricane proof? Not a chance. Some enterprising investigative reporter ought to find out how much those constructions of a few sticks of wood and a sheet of plastic cost the UN.
#21 Dirk – Sad to report that, sometimes, your assertion is dead on. What year was it? 1992? I was in Guantanamo Bay helping to take care of the Cuban rafters being held there. What was NOT covered very well by the press was that we had a few thousand Haitians there, too. They’d done the same thing as the Cubans. Tried rafting to the US. Every single one of the Haitians was deemed an economic refugee (which was likely true), handcuffed, marched aboard Coast Guard cutters and sent home. You are not allowed to escape poverty. All but a few Cubans (identified as criminals) were deemed to be escaping from oppression and sent to the US. I hate to call it racism but it certainly felt that way at the time.
#22–BeSpectacled==well, you can make up any facts you want and go with Animby’s UN Hatin’ scribble OR go with Mr Eds more likely outlook.
I assume that the “best” accommodations in earthquake struck Haiti is about on par with the worst environment anywhere else? I don’t begrudge UN troops putting their lives on the line for foreigners getting a taste of the good life. I also assume that Animby was hanging with the upper crust, not the grunts.
You know Bespectacled, you really should be more skeptical of information you have a bias to accept to begin with.
I’m reminded of what the Top Sarge always said: “Why can’t we get into a war with Sweden?”
Re#25, Animby: “By the way – those tents! A tropical island in the summer and they want people to live in greenhouses? Hurricane proof? Not a chance. ”
I was thinking the same thing. They may as well just handed out umbrellas.
Skeptic==well as usual I only half paid attention to the video when I watched it yesterday, but my memory (always faulty unless I remember it is spot on) is that the video didn’t say anything about the UN troops taking up the better/best/good property locations. All it said was the refugees did not like being sent so far away from town.
I don’t care enough to look at the video and I’m pretty confident you are just making shit up and now lying about it. Am I wrong?
#7 Did you actually read answer? I said not only business, I didn’t business’ are not to blame.
If you can’t see the difference there.
BTW, nice to see the UN personnel is well guarded within their new installations. I wonder how they could get that yet the Haitians couldn’t.
That’s part of the reason why this is food for thought for me. Usually, extreme muslims (and their spokespersons) are loyal/allied with western lefty loons.
#16 No. Animby is pointing out to what we are also pointing out: The UN puts its safety & comfort before the needs of refugees/people.
#20 Again, showing why you should swap brain for glass in your nick.
Pedo–I am not a number. I will not be folded, filed, bent, spindled or crumpled. Please use my full nom de flame in the future.
Not only do I not see any difference, I can’t even guess what you are trying to say. Complete thoughts require you actually type in all the words it takes to express them.
You might educate yourself to the difference between “needs” and “preferences.” Who is to complain if a conscripted UN Soldier gets a canvas tent and a cotton mattress while the refugees get who knows what? In fact, who knows what about anything specific???
#31 Then I suggest you stop commenting on the subject since you really know nothing about anything specific on the subject (in reality, you should stop commenting because you lost the discussion long ago and are beginning to look pathetic)
#31
Regardless of what you douche-bags are talking about we all can see both of your ego’s shtting themselves (bobbo and Pedro).
Bobbo, here you are a fcking number. Live with it; you’re not special and you’re certianly not popular enough to even be consider. A number is easier to reference than typing your sarcastic, funny, ironic or what the fck have you want it to be day to day.
And don’t go preaching about who knows what about anything specific…none of us, crap either. That sounds more like what I have been saying to you in most of our conversations when you clearly are 100% sure.
You are honestly arguing over a nick picked scenario where some UN workers are well stationed? Get over it. It happens fcking everywhere. You know this, I know this, Pedro knows this and everyone know hits. What are you even bothering.
As for Pedro…he’s nuttier than us both so I don’t bother a bit
So get off your high horse, stop shtting garbage talk and join us in the real life where things are not so crazy. And go read up on the recent findings of this x-woman; if not to interest like I have then to argue with me over with Who knows, 5-10 years from now we’ll find more bones dating earlier back…gosh, the horror!
Re: bobbo… yes you are wrong …and lazy… and insulting. Can do better?
About 2/3 the way through….
“…that said, large expanses of land ARE being developed much closer to the city, but not for displaced Haitians. This will be a new UN complex complete with air-conditioned buildings, plumbing and electricity.” etc.
Why is Al Jazeera the conduit for this story? Is it a good ‘West-bashing’ story? What has the Arab world done for Haiti?
Because no MSM would bash Sean Penn. Even with his helping hand, the government cannot take care of the basics due to the waste, politics and corruption. That would go against the Obama public agenda after he pledged the full support from the good ol’ USA.
Pedo–I can’t believe you are de-humanizing me after a direct request to stop. Somehow I feel like a Haitian Refugee living in my slum of a trailer park while you are a jack booting UN fascists living down the road at the Motel 6. OH THE HUMANITY!!!
t-1==I thought wisdom started by admitting your own ignorance? Or was it Pedo’s ignorance???? I gotta start buying a different brand of bubble gum.
Skeptic–I apologize. and thanks for going back and reviewing that video again. I just couldn’t bare the images again of destitute people with nothing but the shirt shirts on their backs needing free clothing, food, water, shelter, medicine, security, electricity being forced to live miles from where they preferred to be. It certainly is disgusting when volunteers to these disadvantaged people choose to live in any condition better than those they are volunteering to serve. Pure Hypocrisy.
Back off on the direct insults huh? Why do I take the posted studpidity of so many as the same type of insult to us all collectively??? Ah well…. live, love, learn, grow.
# 10 jescott418:
“[...] As one reporter put it. They do not even have construction companies to tear down and remove destroyed bildings let alone rebuild them.”
What kind of place with nine million people doesn’t have any construction companies? The rulers of Haiti should be dragged in front of the International Court in The Hague for crimes against humanity.
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# 30 pedro:
“[...] Usually, extreme muslims (and their spokespersons) are loyal/allied with western lefty loons. [...]”
I sincerely doubt the radical Islamists make any differentiation among us of “the Great Satan.”
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Anyone, corrupt or otherwise, trying to make a difference in Haiti is doomed to at least partial failure. Such a large fraction of the population living in poverty even before 3/4 of their homes were destroyed; no usable seaports (hopefully they’ve gotten at least _some_ of those working again); no usable local social infrastructure — the entire country is a black hole of need. It’s a worse problem than the Gulf hurricanes of a few years back, and we’ve seen how well “the richest country in the world” dealt with that…
The knee grow always gets the short end. Let’s face it, if this had been a country of blonde haired, blue eye babes – they would have had new condos by now.
Re#16, Bobbo, re #15…
Animby’s point is very clear to me. The UN is behaving as badly as they have in the past, in his experience. They are using the land closest to the city for their own use, complete with all amenities, while those who really need their help are being shunted an hour away from the rest of society, with no amenities. Shameful.
District 9
If I was rich, I do that to each and every one of you losers here. Period!
Get off my lawn you damn kids!
# 16 bobbo, “what am I missing?”
Thanks to Skeptic for coming to my defense but, in truth, I had no point to make about Haiti other than nothing they do surprises me. It wouldn’t surprise me at all to find the land they settled on belongs to a cousin of some UN official. I’m NOT accusing, just saying such shenanigans would not surprise me.
By the way – those tents! A tropical island in the summer and they want people to live in greenhouses? Hurricane proof? Not a chance. Some enterprising investigative reporter ought to find out how much those constructions of a few sticks of wood and a sheet of plastic cost the UN.
#21 Dirk – Sad to report that, sometimes, your assertion is dead on. What year was it? 1992? I was in Guantanamo Bay helping to take care of the Cuban rafters being held there. What was NOT covered very well by the press was that we had a few thousand Haitians there, too. They’d done the same thing as the Cubans. Tried rafting to the US. Every single one of the Haitians was deemed an economic refugee (which was likely true), handcuffed, marched aboard Coast Guard cutters and sent home. You are not allowed to escape poverty. All but a few Cubans (identified as criminals) were deemed to be escaping from oppression and sent to the US. I hate to call it racism but it certainly felt that way at the time.
#22–BeSpectacled==well, you can make up any facts you want and go with Animby’s UN Hatin’ scribble OR go with Mr Eds more likely outlook.
I assume that the “best” accommodations in earthquake struck Haiti is about on par with the worst environment anywhere else? I don’t begrudge UN troops putting their lives on the line for foreigners getting a taste of the good life. I also assume that Animby was hanging with the upper crust, not the grunts.
You know Bespectacled, you really should be more skeptical of information you have a bias to accept to begin with.
I’m reminded of what the Top Sarge always said: “Why can’t we get into a war with Sweden?”
Re: #22 booboo, “well, you can make up any facts you want”
The facts I “made up” are in the video for you to ignore at will.
Re#25, Animby: “By the way – those tents! A tropical island in the summer and they want people to live in greenhouses? Hurricane proof? Not a chance. ”
I was thinking the same thing. They may as well just handed out umbrellas.
Skeptic==well as usual I only half paid attention to the video when I watched it yesterday, but my memory (always faulty unless I remember it is spot on) is that the video didn’t say anything about the UN troops taking up the better/best/good property locations. All it said was the refugees did not like being sent so far away from town.
I don’t care enough to look at the video and I’m pretty confident you are just making shit up and now lying about it. Am I wrong?
#7 Did you actually read answer? I said not only business, I didn’t business’ are not to blame.
If you can’t see the difference there.
BTW, nice to see the UN personnel is well guarded within their new installations. I wonder how they could get that yet the Haitians couldn’t.
That’s part of the reason why this is food for thought for me. Usually, extreme muslims (and their spokespersons) are loyal/allied with western lefty loons.
#16 No. Animby is pointing out to what we are also pointing out: The UN puts its safety & comfort before the needs of refugees/people.
#20 Again, showing why you should swap brain for glass in your nick.
#26 Sad attempt to regain a lost position.
Pedo–I am not a number. I will not be folded, filed, bent, spindled or crumpled. Please use my full nom de flame in the future.
Not only do I not see any difference, I can’t even guess what you are trying to say. Complete thoughts require you actually type in all the words it takes to express them.
You might educate yourself to the difference between “needs” and “preferences.” Who is to complain if a conscripted UN Soldier gets a canvas tent and a cotton mattress while the refugees get who knows what? In fact, who knows what about anything specific???
None of us.
#31 Then I suggest you stop commenting on the subject since you really know nothing about anything specific on the subject (in reality, you should stop commenting because you lost the discussion long ago and are beginning to look pathetic)
#31
Regardless of what you douche-bags are talking about we all can see both of your ego’s shtting themselves (bobbo and Pedro).
Bobbo, here you are a fcking number. Live with it; you’re not special and you’re certianly not popular enough to even be consider. A number is easier to reference than typing your sarcastic, funny, ironic or what the fck have you want it to be day to day.
And don’t go preaching about who knows what about anything specific…none of us, crap either. That sounds more like what I have been saying to you in most of our conversations when you clearly are 100% sure.
You are honestly arguing over a nick picked scenario where some UN workers are well stationed? Get over it. It happens fcking everywhere. You know this, I know this, Pedro knows this and everyone know hits. What are you even bothering.
As for Pedro…he’s nuttier than us both so I don’t bother a bit
So get off your high horse, stop shtting garbage talk and join us in the real life where things are not so crazy. And go read up on the recent findings of this x-woman; if not to interest like I have then to argue with me over with
Who knows, 5-10 years from now we’ll find more bones dating earlier back…gosh, the horror!
It would have been a story if the UN had done something right for a change.
Re: bobbo… yes you are wrong …and lazy… and insulting. Can do better?
About 2/3 the way through….
“…that said, large expanses of land ARE being developed much closer to the city, but not for displaced Haitians. This will be a new UN complex complete with air-conditioned buildings, plumbing and electricity.” etc.
Fair and balanced as we would expect from Al Jazeera.
Right.
Walter Bishop said
Why is Al Jazeera the conduit for this story? Is it a good ‘West-bashing’ story? What has the Arab world done for Haiti?
Because no MSM would bash Sean Penn. Even with his helping hand, the government cannot take care of the basics due to the waste, politics and corruption. That would go against the Obama public agenda after he pledged the full support from the good ol’ USA.
Pedo–I can’t believe you are de-humanizing me after a direct request to stop. Somehow I feel like a Haitian Refugee living in my slum of a trailer park while you are a jack booting UN fascists living down the road at the Motel 6. OH THE HUMANITY!!!
t-1==I thought wisdom started by admitting your own ignorance? Or was it Pedo’s ignorance???? I gotta start buying a different brand of bubble gum.
Skeptic–I apologize. and thanks for going back and reviewing that video again. I just couldn’t bare the images again of destitute people with nothing but the shirt shirts on their backs needing free clothing, food, water, shelter, medicine, security, electricity being forced to live miles from where they preferred to be. It certainly is disgusting when volunteers to these disadvantaged people choose to live in any condition better than those they are volunteering to serve. Pure Hypocrisy.
Back off on the direct insults huh? Why do I take the posted studpidity of so many as the same type of insult to us all collectively??? Ah well…. live, love, learn, grow.
Make choices.
Heckuva job, Barry. Haiti mission accomplished.
# 10 jescott418:
“[...] As one reporter put it. They do not even have construction companies to tear down and remove destroyed bildings let alone rebuild them.”
What kind of place with nine million people doesn’t have any construction companies? The rulers of Haiti should be dragged in front of the International Court in The Hague for crimes against humanity.
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# 30 pedro:
“[...] Usually, extreme muslims (and their spokespersons) are loyal/allied with western lefty loons. [...]”
I sincerely doubt the radical Islamists make any differentiation among us of “the Great Satan.”
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Anyone, corrupt or otherwise, trying to make a difference in Haiti is doomed to at least partial failure. Such a large fraction of the population living in poverty even before 3/4 of their homes were destroyed; no usable seaports (hopefully they’ve gotten at least _some_ of those working again); no usable local social infrastructure — the entire country is a black hole of need. It’s a worse problem than the Gulf hurricanes of a few years back, and we’ve seen how well “the richest country in the world” dealt with that…
At least they’re doing _something_.