Tonight, the 15th anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing, MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow will air, for the first time ever, audiotapes of Timothy McVeigh giving his own account of why he detonated a truck filled with explosives in front of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building. It was our country’s most destructive and deadly act of terrorism on U.S. soil prior to September 11. The bombing murdered 168 people, including more than two dozen children under the age of 6. More than 800 people were injured; damage was estimated at $652 million. Yet, McVeigh’s recorded voice, as if speaking from the grave almost nine years after his execution, says, “I feel no shame for it.”
Maddow has said the program is designed to put antigovernment extremism in perspective. “It doesn’t have to lead to violence, but it can and it has,” says Maddow in promotional spots. “We ignore this, our own very recent history of antigovernment violence and the dangers of domestic terrorism, at our peril.” According to the Southern Poverty Law Center, the number of antigovernment extremist groups spiked from 149 in 2008 to 512 (127 of them militias) in 2009…
Attorney Beth Wilkinson was the prosecutor who argued for the death penalty for McVeigh. “Obviously I am gratified to know he’ll be admitting to what he was convicted of,” says Wilkinson. “That said,” she adds, “I find it disturbing that these tapes will be played at such length, giving him—once again—a platform.” She hopes that the two-hour segment will provide a perspective on extremism, not just McVeigh’s…
29, Bobbo,
Tancredo never said that nor implied it. It seems you feel your partisan conclusion is “the obvious”?
Nah, I think he’s concerned about people who don’t choose to assimilate want to shape the way this country evolves.
But in either case, you’re forming your own conclusions and somehow believe his comments are a smoking gun for racism. Sorry, I don’t see it. It seems you are seeing what you want to see based on no such comment on his part.
27, Bobbo,
By Southern Democrats.
Tim McVeigh had NO EXCUSE to do what he did. There’s no justification in Waco, there’s no justification in Ruby Ridge, there’s no justification that the south lost the civil war.
McVeigh was unrepentant to the grave, and shared the same fanaticism we see with christian identity terrorists, muslim terrorists, and genocidal mass murderers.
The Tea Party should not even hint at assocations with Tim McVeigh, because frankly they’re beginning to sound like him.
#42…Southern conservatives is more correct, and those conservatives would be Republicans in today’s political world.
This was a truly dark day. Politicizing it just makes it sadder.
#-Guyver– “I’m pointing out a double standard”
But there is no double standard. During a republican administration, liberals whine and right wingers call liberals names. During a democratic administration, right wingers whine and liberals call right wingers names. Since there is no double standard, one might draw the conclusion that you are whining about a double standard issue in order to shut the mouths of liberals or at least irritate the liberals.
This is also retroactive for all the whiners that cried double standards back in the Bush administration.
Is America really going to replay the last eight years of political dualism?
“Eideard and Maddow takes another turn to the utterly disgusting.”
Just finished watching the show. Very non-biased. Describes events as they happened except I recall a raid on a “Muslim” farm outpost in Michigan in the midst of the media fury.
But overall the show was very good. And no leaps of faith to any possible side.
I thought the show sucked. It was over-dramatized to say the least with fake scenes made to look like real footage.
It will be discussed on the4 next No Agenda for its propagandistic elements. It’s part of the long term scheme to make ALL Americans suspects in terrorism by pushing the “domestic terrorist” meme in any way possible. This nutjob is the poster boy and it’s a shame people do not object to shows like this.
Enjoy your Fascist Utopia you dumb-ass!
Let me put it in as basic terms as I can since you dumb-asses (in the Bay area for example) insist on listening to the conventional media like CBS/ABC/NBC, Washington Times, Newsweek, etc. who only tell you PART of the story…
The TEA party, which stands for (T)axed (E)nough (A)lready (something you don’t hear the “regular” media reminding people of), is basically fed up with the powers that be. There is a long list of grievances but essentially the TEA party has had it with Washington as usual. Even worse are the pompous arrogant leaders who choose to ignore the very people who elect them to office.
So don’t believe people high on the TEA parties list of offenders like Nancy “Nazi” Pelosi since it’s pretty obvious that Pelosi and others like her would prefer to replace the Constitution with their more preferred Communist Manifesto. Pelosi and other ex-hippies like her (perhaps even J.C.D. even) will often say one thing but then do something completely different – JUST WATCH! And the TEA Party is hip to her tricks too!
But now we have this latest assault from the extreme left wing’s socialist book of teachings that somehow the OKC bombings were a right-wing conspiracy or something? ARE YOU FKKKING KIDDING ME?!!! You have to be completely insane to believe it!
As far as the OK City bombing goes, honor the fallen for what they are – VICTIMS! Denounce cowards like Tim McVey and Terri Nichols who kill innocent people. DO NOT MAKE THIS A POLITICAL THING!!! And if you see a political leader trying to make the OKC tragedy or even 911 into a right-wing left-wing argument I hope you NOW have the presence of mind to see them for what they REALLY are — TRUE EVIL!
My post #6: The best part was “[edited for violations of posting guidelines]“.
Strange, I think most of us could only wish the same for what Eideard posts.
What was that AnObserver said in post #16, “I know “uncensored” is part of the blogs name but it would be nice if those who wrote the post headlines and posts would censor themselves a little.”
What about Me in post #23? He got it right.
Not to mention #39 and #47.
Eideard crossed the line here. What he said and implied was beyond reason, beyond disgusting.
This isn’t “spice”. This is pure out-and-out hatred and shouldn’t be tolerated.
Stop talking about Moyers, since you are aiding his doppelganger.
Dvorak “Uncensored” is the wrong title.
Dvorak “Out of control” is more accurate.
#-Ah_Yeah and Jefferson– Are you two smoking crack? The article and film is about Tim McVey who was an antigovernment extremist that took action.
Eideard made the headline to create kneejerk reactions which obvious you two fell for the trap.
Saying OKC bommbing is a holiday for the Tea Party people is no more disgusting than calling a president and others Nazis. Neither Obama or the Tea Party people have killed people like the OKC bombing and Nazis.
The pot is definitely calling the kettle black in this blog item.
“Eideard crossed the line here. What he said and implied was beyond reason, beyond disgusting.”
I said the same thing and my comment was deleted. There was no personal attack on my part, I just said it went over the line and sullied John’s blog.
Anytime someone in this country threatens violence to those who disagree with them, the United States of America dies a little inside. To threaten violence to obtain agreement is directly in opposition to the principles this country was founded on.
Politicians invented this divisive two party extremist view on everything to keep the moran’s busy arguing and not get anything done. Kinda like the whole lot of you! Get back to work slackers!
Yes, Lou. I had a follow up post that was deleted as well.
I wonder who censored our comments?
I understand that being a poster here on DU is a non-paying thankless job, but is DU so hard up for posters that JCD allows this vitriol to continue?
bac,
Something you apparently don’t understand is in any civilized society there is a limit to acceptable public behavior. Eideard has crossed this line repeatedly. It’s not “spice”, and it’s not “baiting”, its pure and virulent hate speech.
#54, actually, armed uprising spurred by anti-government rhetoric is how this country was founded. It’s only the people who prefer the system as it is who are acting like this is some new and disturbing phenomenon.
#57 Oh so is that how you rationalize it? You’re OK then with an armed uprising every four years?
57,
Does that mean if I can beat you up I can win every argument we have? What a stupid f*cking thing to say.
(If you don’t agree, come over here and try and make me change my mind. I bet I could kick your ass, which means my arguments should always dominate any discussion we have. You can have an opinion when I give it to you.)
44, Olo Baggins,
Ha! LBJ couldn’t get Civil Rights Act passed due to racists within the Democrat Party. It was Republicans who helped him achieve it.
46, BAC,
A trip down memory lane: http://tinyurl.com/y8lxkto
At least those people got to exercise their free speech against Bush were not labeled as seditious even if they did talk about killing people as a liberal did.
Today, liberals are dreaming up all sorts of labels to apply to the Tea Party for far less. Now the narrative is that anyone who speaks out against Obama is now a racist. Give me a break. Heck even Bobbo has been drinking the racism Kool-Aid a wee bit too much.