UPDATE:
Wow! Who could have predicted this?
To make a long story short: this is all reported to be a fake. The photos were reputed to have been taken off site near the Black Sea, but the film footage the Chinese now have was shot on location on Mt. Ararat. In the late summer of 2008 ten Kurdish workers hired by Parasut, the guide used by the Chinese, are said to have planted large wood beams taken from an old structure in the Black Sea area (where the photos were originally taken) at the Mt. Ararat site. In the winter of 2008 a Chinese climber taken by Parasut’s men to the site saw the wood, but couldn’t get inside because of the severe weather conditions. During the summer of 2009 more wood was planted inside a cave at the site.
ORIGINAL STORY:
THE remains of Noah’s Ark have been discovered 13,000ft up a Turkish mountain, it has been claimed. A group of Chinese and Turkish evangelical explorers say they have found wooden remains on Mount Ararat in eastern Turkey. They claim carbon dating proves the relics are 4,800 years old — around the same time the ark was said to be afloat. Yeung Wing-Cheung, from the Noah’s Ark Ministries International research team, said: “It’s not 100 per cent that it is Noah’s Ark, but we think it is 99.9 per cent that this is it.”
He said the structure contained several compartments, some with wooden beams, that they believe were used to house animals.
The group of evangelical archaeologists ruled out an established human settlement on the grounds none have ever been found above 11,000ft in the vicinity, Yeung said. Local Turkish officials will ask the central government in Ankara to apply for UNESCO World Heritage status so the site can be protected while a major archaeological dig is conducted.
The biblical story says that God decided to flood the Earth after seeing how corrupt it was.
Huh, I thought they found that boat long ago.
Oops — sorry for way overpasting the original text.
bobbo, science and religion are not inconsistent, no really! said,
“Highly definitional but I think that is well established. Many of the cell level processes that we humans have are identical to one celled creatures that we came from. Pretty strong inference there wouldn’t you say? You aren’t looking for Obama’s Birth Certificate are you?
I also thought there was some fanfare last month about finding the missing link? Fossils are rare but it looks more likely all the time that the missing link will appear==still not immune to the argument that there is “another” missing link. Even with a gap at the link though, the chain/tree of evolution for hominids is very well established. No sane person is ignorant about that.”
Hahaha no man im not a birther
Just because we share a eukaryotic cell structure with other animals doesnt prove anything.. We have no evidence of the evolutionary process in many cases.. eg. the fossil evidence to prove we developed from a bird to a monkey (big generalisation but you get my point). And actually if you look at kingdom animalia you will find that relationship to species per kind works out as accurate as relationship through species evolution. Im not a person who believes that god created the world in 7 days, it took millions of years yes.. but was an intellegent creator responsible for the creation of life? I believe so as the more study processes at an anatomical level the more i cant believe otherwise.. they just seem too complex for them to occur by chance!
>> John said, on April 29th, 2010 at 3:21 pm
>> I believe so as the more study processes at an anatomical level the more i cant believe otherwise.. they just seem too complex for them to occur by chance!
I also believe in a creator God but I don’t for a second think that science proves God’s existence.
Do you also believe in miracles? It’s something like that.
Miracles should be iron-clad proof of the Divine but it never works that way.
One person experience a miracle bit a skeptic, seeing the exact same event, dismisses it as coincidence.
You look in a microsope and see the work of God. Another person looks in there and sees nothing more than a mechanism or process.
That’s why I think it comes down to how our brains are wired.
Some of us have the brain capacity to perceive the divine and other don’t.
But, of course, those people think we are deluded.
It’s a perceptional stalemate.
Greg Allen
“I also believe in a creator God but I don’t for a second think that science proves God’s existence.
Do you also believe in miracles? It’s something like that.
Miracles should be iron-clad proof of the Divine but it never works that way.
One person experience a miracle bit a skeptic, seeing the exact same event, dismisses it as coincidence.
You look in a microscope and see the work of God. Another person looks in there and sees nothing more than a mechanism or process.
That’s why I think it comes down to how our brains are wired.
Some of us have the brain capacity to perceive the divine and other don’t.
But, of course, those people think we are deluded.
It’s a perceptional stalemate.”
Of course science doesnt prove gods existence, yet it neither proves the theory of evolution. Until then i am going to follow the more logical solution that one accident happen and created god who therefore created everything else compared to the idea that trillions of these happy accidents occured to evolve to where we are by chance.
I also personally do not believe in miracles in this present day but i understand your point!
Your right there is no point arguing it because no one is ever going to win!
Hey, my imaginary friends build boats too!
“UPDATED — Evangelicals Find Noah’s Ark!!!!! — IT’S A HOAX!” doh!
http://tinyurl.com/yhcnpvv
@ 56. He is Robert form Lost.
I figured they didn’t find the actual ark. They carbon dated it at 4800 years. Seems much too late to be the ark to me.
A hoax? …just like every other time they found it?
#108, yes Ben the REAL ark is still out there somewhere.
There is probably a leprechaun with a unicorn and a mermaid in it.
#108 Good point, Benji. It’s still out there, somewhere.
The moon was determined not to be made out of cheese because extensive sample tests ruled that out.
#102–john==the birther comment goes to looking for and not finding something in plain sight. Like you looking for the “missing link” or for evolutionary proof from humans to single cell life.
“THERE IT IS” and you dismiss it.
And so it goes with all other “proof” your religion is made up. If you recognize the proof at all, then you change the original question. This has led the thoughtful of your ilk to recognize that religion had better stick with things that can’t be disproven. You would be burned at the stake years ago, and disrespected widely today, for thinking the earth is millions of years old. Religion evolves.
I’ll tell you again what you’ve been told many times before==evolution does NOT PROCEED BY CHANCE. Evolution did not proceed from bird to monkey nor from monkey to us. When you so clearly demonstrate your complete incompetency in a subject area, appreciation of any subtlety is illusory–so goes your eukaryotic cell structure.
Beyond that, even if “everything” you illogically and ignorantly think was true==why submit to the authority of anyone but yourself? I am anti-theist. I’m sure god appreciates his creation utilizing his freewill as he intended.
“You know” as much as I dislike religion, the quick timing of these two stories smells like a set up. Its still “a story” I guess, just over its arc a bit manipulated?
But then, what about religion isn’t?
#110 Killer Duck, “yes Ben the REAL ark is still out there somewhere. There is probably a leprechaun with a unicorn and a mermaid in it.”
I think Noah only took actual animals, not pretend ones. The ark probably rotted away sitting abandoned on a mountain all these years. No one knows if it is still out there. If it is out there, it is on Mt Ararat.
#111 Dallas, “The moon was determined not to be made out of cheese because extensive sample tests ruled that out.”
I thought the moon was made out of moon rocks. However further studies gave me this result:
” * 42% oxygen
* 21% silicon
* 13% iron
* 8% calcium
* 7% aluminium
* 6% magnesium
* 3% other elements ”
Even so, I am convinced that those are just the percentages of elements that make up moon rocks. Cheese has less than 8% calcium. The 13% iron would make it taste rather bad, so I do not believe that moon rocks are made of cheese.
Benji==what you “know”==based on your beliefs or based on science?
Yes, based on science. If you can’t measure it, it either doesn’t exist or your don’t understand it enough to talk about it. ((a few interesting exceptions science is still working on.))
How long you can keep your two worlds apart should be interesting, but I admit you have separated them well. Interesting cognitive dissonance. Everything that is disprovable about my religion has been disproven. The only things I can believe in are things that can’t be disproven.
Silly hooman.
>> # 104 John said, on April 30th, 2010 at 2:07 am
>> Of course science doesnt prove gods existence, yet it neither proves the theory of evolution.
You seem to know your biology but you show the classic layman’s misunderstanding about scientific theory.
Except in mathematics and some extremely narrow lab experiments, scientific theories are not proven.
The best you can do is overwhelming evidence.
>> Until then i am going to follow the more logical solution that one accident happen and created god who therefore created everything else
See, this is where you fall apart — you confuse logic and faith.
Don’t get me wrong — Religious people can be perfectly logical and intellegent. (despite what atheist supremacists often claim)
But the core of our faith is, well, faith. You can build a logical construct based on that (aka theology) but it’s ultimately based in something besides logic.
>> I also personally do not believe in miracles in this present day but i understand your point!
If a miracle is a marvelous act of God, then I absolutely do believe in miracles.
You could parade a million eye witnesses to miracles before judge and still not hear all the stories.
I, personally, would testify about the profound acts of forgiveness and restored hearts I’ve seen happen because of an encounter with God.
But would this be science? Of course not.
>> bobbo, the evangelical anti-theist said, on April 30th, 2010 at 6:14 am
>> How long you can keep your two worlds apart should be interesting, but I admit you have separated them well
Even though I keep my science and theology apart, I actually thing they are ultimately the same discipline.
Science, mathematics, philosophy/theology, art, poetry, etc are all trying to understand and marvel at “what the heck we humans are apart of”.
But these disciplines are looking at very different levels of complexity and use very different strategies.
But it’s all the same thing.
Somewhere on the Black Sea coast, a farmer’s barn door has disappeared.
Ha, ha. Greg. Hard to go after you when I sense all your good will.
So–do you believe in coincidences? If so, how do you tell them apart from miracles?
I do agree about one million witnesses though. Don’t Shiva and Buddha have 10 million such witnesses?
Silly (well meaning) hooman.
#117–Greg==no, those are not all the same thing which is why they have separate words associated with them. but you have demonstrated once again the “mush” that is religion. Equate everything with everything else, and get all mystical feeling, and voila==there’s god.
It is amusing to me/should be troubling to you==that in reality this mush shows science to be the guiding principle for all of us. Why else would religion seek the affirmation of science whereas science ((formalistically as in “proof”)) has nothing to say about god?
Science==the real world.
Religion==the made up world.
While they both may be contemplated by man, they are not the same thing.
Yes, the miracle of god’s forgiveness has never regrown a severed arm. Why is that?