What is wrong with these people? While I certainly don’t agree with many things Obama & Dems have/are doing, this obstructionism is simply ludicrous. And too many of their Tea Party friends are worse.
In an example of Republican obstructionism rendered beautiful by its simplicity, the GOP yesterday killed a House bill that would increase funding for scientific research and math and science education by forcing Democrats to vote in favor of federal employees viewing pornography.
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“For anyone that is concerned about federal employees watching pornography, they just saw a pornographic movie. It’s called; ‘Motion to Recommit,’” Rep. Bart Gordon (D-TN) said. “It was a cynical effort to undermine an important bill for my 9-year-old daughter, for your kids and your grandkids.”
The Dems screwed themselves with their obsession with health care instead of jobs (or more accurately, a jobs for insurance companies bill). Hopefully too late, the Republicans are realizing they may have gone too far with the ‘vote no on everything’ agenda.
Only now that their own incumbents and establishment candidates are threatened are some Republicans starting to realize the problem with their strategy of yelling, “Throw the bums out!” every time government spends a dime. As it turns out, if you demonize all federal spending, pretty much everyone who’s ever supported any of it can become political collateral damage.
Perhaps it’s time, as some of our readers suggest, to vote out all incumbents of both parties and start over from scratch. Could it really be worse than now?
Which is why we need to make it punishable by death to belong to either the Democrat or Republican party. They both exist solely to screw over the other and fuck the same hookers, often at the same time.
Yea, I think #4–Train Gas and #5–Unc Dave have set the parameters of a good debate.
Unc Dave, you do have to explain to me why putting two things that should both be passed is a manipulation of anything==unless you do believe it is axiomatic that Dems should be against docking salary for porn viewing bureaucrats. ((Silly me, most private sector employees will get FIRED for it.))
Now, I also think that “issues” or bills should be presented as single issue packages==but the world doesn’t work that way and I’m man enough to deal with it. An alternative is a Presidential line item veto. Given the Pres can veto the entire bill, I don’t see any constitutional bar to line item==it all goes back to preventing Congress from playing games==and that takes us back to voting all encumbents OUT of office. Not just once==but over and over until they get the message and DO something fer Jebus’s sake.
We can all make our own lists.
Dave–you said we need to look deeper. I’ve gone as far as I can, given my analysis, and conclude you are wrong. What is your even deeper analysis?
Why “should” Dems support porn reading beaurocrats (if they do?). How do you know “why” the bill failed?? Since both elements of the bill sound good to me, maybe the Dems were against math and science funding because they want to attract the Fundy vote?
When you are swimming in a cess pool of self interest, all you contact is shit.
Someone doesn’t get it, Uncle Dave….
Let’s see if you can follow along here.
What you are saying is:
The Republicans put a provision into the bill disallowing Government employees from getting paid to surf porn on Government time knowing that…
The Democrats who sponsored the bill will kill it…
Because these Democrats WANT government employees to surf porn on government time, and were willing to kill the bill to keep it! …
Even though 121 Democrats SUPPORTED the Republican provision?
Is this the level of critical thinking of a radical leftest??
Isn’t it true that the Democrats would have had enough support to pass this bill if they had all voted for it???
So answer me this, Uncle Dave.
Why did 121 Democrats go along with the Republican MINORITY?
Why not just pass the bill with the porn restriction????
We need to be more concerned about the candidate rather then the party. I think we too often vote people in for what they promise when we should vote in people who will do what is needed to fix our government.
Sometimes that is not a popular choice. We seem to complain a lot but are unwilling to give up a lot. In fact considering just the health care issue. We seem to want these services like health care. But keep forgetting about how its going to be paid for. We are a want nation.
Wow, Bobbo! I should have posted faster, because you got to exactly my same thoughts 5 minutes earlier!
Ah Yea–would that it was always so, but your approach takes a slightly different path going to the numbers which does raise another thorny issue for Uncle Dave to ignore.
“You Know”–when I make sausage, I choose what ingredients to use and if another cook comes in and adds something I don’t like, I take it out. So this legislative process is something other than “sausage making on display.” Maybe not swimming in shit, but something distasteful and in fact “not on full view.”
I should add, ironically to avoid redundancy, that if we voted all Obstructionists out of Congress, the overlap with incumbency would approach 100%?. Same with the other pejoratives. I’m fine with any formulation.
Bobbo,
Bingo! Exactly right, again.
Ah_Yea, what does scientific research have to do with government employees surfing porn? Why link them in a bill unless you’re against the research?
Yes, it can and will get worse. Both parties have professional brain washing experts that know which buttons to push to get the votes from us dumb idiots. Every election brings us closer to our own extinction as a nation. How else can millions of illegals be welcome in a bankrupt country? How else can trade laws be changed to benefit the other guys? Our votes don’t count. If they did things would be a lot different.
Very basically, or in essence, this is about what happened with the Salem Witch trials. They started small time, accusing just the locals. And the then proper authorities did nothing about these extremists. Then they started after more important people, like the Mass. governor’s wife. And that’s when the whole thing was quickly dealt with, by state officials. And the “trials” were put to an end, and mostly, covered up as the embarrassment of injustice they were.
I’m so tired of “both sides are at fault”. Let’s be honest, the GOP is incompetent and every law they pass has contributed towards the destruction of this country, regardless of how well-meaning they are.
#4, #5, Bobbo, you all have it wrong. They did not tack it onto the bill. The Republicans are in the minority, so they can’t do anything without Democrats voting with them. In this case, if you want the bill pass you just vote against the Republican request for an amendment, and vote the bill out as is. It is the Democrats who refused to do this, or at least 121 of them. If you want the porn restrictions, then you don’t get the new funds for math and science. This was a motion to recommit, not an amendment.
Mike N–I admit I don’t even want to know the details, even though that is almost always the heart of the matter. So, what you are saying is that the Dems voted for the amendment to be included, and then voted the entire bill down, or did not vote to pass it out, or whatever?
Now, I know Uncle Dave would not post and comment on this process without knowing it down to its finest details. If we are so pleasured by his input, maybe the critical path will be illuminated for us all.
“Blaming” anyone but those who voted for things is a tricky case to make. I’m on pins and needles.
Ah_Yea said,
>Why did 121 Democrats go along with the Republican MINORITY?
Because everyone thinks Democratic party isfull of liberals. The Democratic party leans pretty far right at this moment.