Animby says:

Assume there IS a god. He created trillions of stars in billions of galaxies and (if we’re assuming a god, let’s assume other planets are inhabited) millions of civilizations.

Now a god with all that to take care of, and yes, I’ll accept s/he/it is omnipotent and all-knowing, all-seeing, etc., still, with the whole universe on his mind you think he really cares if you’re hiding under the covers beating off?

If I believed in god, I would want one with a more majestic mindset. I could never believe in a god as petulant and juvenile and egotistical as that of the Judeo-Christian/Islamic and most other faiths.

Skeptic says:

The Judeo-Christian/Islamic God is a hypocrite. The written descriptions and religious mantra claim he is a god of love, when in actuality the opposite is true. The pain and suffering of the totally innocent that God allows when he has the power to easily stop it, is a crime against his own laws. So it is easy to conclude that the religious description of “God’ is a man made ideal… if there were a god, that description would be the one we would want. What is more likely, that if there is a god it is indifferent to us. There is no reward or punishment waiting after death. A god who allows millions of newborns to starve to death (and things way more disgusting) while others are pampered, wouldn’t give a damn on how you lived your life or what became of you afterward. So, Donai… you fail to see the disconnect, the complete contradiction between what you read and study about “God”, and what is happing around you. THAT is moronic.

So far, no one has successfully challenged my claim in post #4 : Since living life according to “God” is subjective, Pascals wager is impossible to make.

Overfifty says:

This is not a heads or tails kind of wager. First you have to determine if this “God” that you are betting on wants to be worshiped or not. If you believe he wants to be worshiped than you have to determine which religion past or present that he prefers to be worshiped under.

I just prefer to lead a good honest life and take my chances later.

bobbo, the evangelical anti-theist says:

Re: #31 Mr. Anderson: “One side says the Universe was created by God, the other side says the Universe was created by nothing.” /// Heh, heh. Looked at logically, this is a form of proof that god is nothing.

But totally made up attribution by the religious types. I have “never” heard anyone say the Big Bang came from nothing except by the religious crowd. The science guys always say and incredibly small point, a “singularity,” and “we don’t know how or why. Its a real mystery.

Mystery: in science means “we don’t know” but are working on various theories.

Mystery: in religion means here is a book with all the details about something that are hypocritical, illogical and anti-human “but” we will kill you if you don’t agree.

Another proof.

Skeptic says:

Mr Anderson, all real-life evidence suggests that the Christian God is a myth. You are avoiding that evidence. It’s not just a matter of belief any more.

Skeptic says:

Mr Anderson, you can make anything up you want. Knock yourself out.

Skeptic says:

I’m completely rational. There’s nothing that I’ve said that can’t be backed up with empirical evidence.

Show me some empirical evidence on the Universe being “alive”, or that I’m part of a “God”. The only thing you’ve offered so far is that because I’m alive, the whole universe is alive. Irrational, unless you have empirical evidence.

Skeptic says:

“If A is a part of a set of all A’s”
???
…of all A’s? Your premise relies on “life” which is a concept, as being in the same set as substance… “matter”. You are alive therefore elemental iron is alive?

Sorry, that’s completely irrational.

Skeptic says:

life –noun
1. the condition that distinguishes organisms from inorganic objects and dead organisms, being manifested by growth through metabolism, reproduction, and the power of adaptation to environment through changes originating internally.

So by definition, life is described as a condition. Iron, are not described as “conditions”. Life and iron are not in the same set as you describe, any more than data is matter.

Mr Anderson says:

So if we look at your body, atom by atom, we’d find no life. Yet, you are somehow more than just the non-life parts (atoms). If we remove all the iron from your body, you and the Universe would have a loss of a physical life.

At a little larger scale, we might find some bacteria on your surface and they’re discussing whether their world (your body) is alive or not.