brianoflondon says:

#217

I won’t attempt to dissuade you, and your views are sometimes valid but I will clarify something I said about Man created in the image of God.

That’s only half the story and I should have elaborated. You’re completely right, all through time man’s visualizations of God have largely resembled themselves with the addition of extra, limbs, heads, animal features and whatever else seemed like a good idea at the time.

The link is between the importance of not murdering (6th commandment) and honoring God (1st commandment). In certain aspects of Torah study the commandments are viewed 1-6 2-7 3-8 4-9 5-10. It’s really rather subtle but it elevates all men to having the importance of God, but without lifting any man higher. Rather egalitarian and different from many years of believing a King was the representative of God on earth.

And I mis-spoke earlier and referred to the Yom Kippur war when I meant the 6 day war 1967.

Mr. Fusion says:

#218, Bobbo, who only see what he wants to see,

Helen Thomas’s statement should be criticized not for hits political content but because it is devoid of reason, and THAT is reason to remove her from any professional organization. We don’t have to wait until she is wearing depends on the outside of her dress

Yet where is your criticism of all those FOX regulars? How about Krauthammer suggesting the “Environmentalists” are responsible for BP’s oil well? How loudly are you condemning him? Yet, as far as I can see, he is still writing for the Washington Post and still commenting on FOX.

How many stupid things has Bill O’Rielly claimed? Or Gretchen Carlson? Or George Will? What makes what Thomas said worse than turning Gaza into glass?

How about your opinion? I find it so offensive, maybe you should be banned from DU.

bobbo, the evangelical anti-theist says:

http://rubinreports.blogspot.com/2010/06/news-flash-obama-meets-with-mahmoud.html

I only read the first 5-6 paragraphs. In general, I get little pleasure from reading that which I am in total agreement with. No meat.

I also find it hard to read *anything* about what political leaders say. ” blah, blah, is UNSUSTAINABLE?” That is true about just about every subject I can think of.

I don’t know who is being appeased by making such vacuous statements.

“Obama” ((add Fusion, amodedoma, Phydeau, Helen Thomas)) doesn’t understand Hamas–just try to imagine a “prosperous” Gaza under the control of Hamas? Yea verily. Or maybe the non-obama group are part of Team-Hamas? Thats what I think until they explain the deeper roots of their complaints, but its only nonsense on the surface.

Benjamin says:

#222 bobbo, the evangelical anti-theist said, on June 10th, 2010 at 11:12 am

“That’s a good point Benjamin. Read an article a while back as that issue being the key difference between Muslim religion and Christian/Jewish tradition. “Render unto Cesar, what is Cesar’s”==then get on with worshiping God in a separate and distinct way. A TOTAL separation of church and state. The Muslims want to become Cesar and make no distinction between life, politics, freedom==its ALL religion, nothing else.”

Right. As a Christian I an supposed to proselytize to you. It is still in your power to accept or reject Christianity. That is freedom. If I go beyond proselytizing and try to take away your freedom of choice to accept or reject Christianity, I am sinning against God and you. Even infighting among believers is sin. I am sure God never wanted Protestants and Catholics to kill each other in His name.

Sharia Law says you must be killed or forced you to lie as a perpetual serf ruled over by Muslims if you reject Islam. Islam means submission. The Koran demands that a Muslim convert a infidel by any means possible. That is not freedom.

“Anyone who equates a Muslim Taliban with a so called Christian Taliban makes the grossest of rhetorical errors”

Not sure what this theoretical Christian Taliban would be like. Can they use soap? Is rattlesnake touching necessary?

Mr. Fusion says:

#219, Bryan,

In other words, you can NOT show us a declaration of war between two peoples. The Jewish conquest and subjugation of Palestinian people happened long before the PLO originated.

The splitting of Palestine into Jewish and Arab states was assured when Britain and the US agreed to support a homeland for the Jews. American Jews from WWII flew surplus warplanes against the Arabs. American Jews brought their military experience against the Arabs.

Only the Jews weren’t happy and took more land than they had been given. They expelled many of the people who had lived there for centuries. They tore up Arab land and put in communes. They took water from Arab areas and diverted it to Jewish areas. They denied Arabs membership in their society. Then they denied Arabs the right to sell their land without offering it to a Jew first. They denied Arabs the right to travel freely. They denied Arabs the right to defend themselves from Jewish aggression. They uprooted Arab families and pushed them into ghettos. And on and on and on.

The only problem for the Jews is that the world was watching. Other than a few well seen cases, the Jews couldn’t commit mass genocide as the Germans had done. They couldn’t use techniques such as gassing, though I’m sure many Jews wanted to. That never stopped them from imprisoning Arabs because of who they were, not what they had done. Even today, tens of thousands of Arab men are in Jewish jails without charge. Without reason though, the IDF storm troopers do shoot without provocation.

Mr. Fusion says:

#225, Bennie,

Mr Fusion said, “One of the most perplexing questions in history is what did God write on those other five Commandments that Moses dropped and broke.”

Mel Brooks just made up the 15 commandments becoming 10 when Moses dropped them.

Can you prove it? The title was “History of the World, part 1″. There were hundreds of people that worked on the movie. Only Moses wrote about the Exodus. Who are you going to believe, hundreds of people or one old man who later in life became President of the NRA even though he was senile with Alzheimer.

Mr. Fusion says:

#218, Bobbo,

MR FUSION. Can you help Ah Yea and me out? You say my position if motivated by pro-Israeli views in spite of my protest that my inquiry is purely historic and pragmatic. From my viewpoint, your position looks to be driven by anti-Zionism. Care to provide any motivating elements of your attitude?

I don’t believe I ever said what your motivation was. Nor do I believe your position is “historic and pragmatic”. Nothing I have written in this thread is “anti-Zionist”.

I am against discrimination based upon a person’s race. Currently, Israel discriminates against Palestinians. They have created an apartheid society. That you defend this action I find disturbing but I will defend your right to be an asshole.

bobbo, the evangelical anti-theist says:

Mr Fusion–I find your post number 234 to be quite disturbing. Is that what you “really” think? Such an appeal to justice.

So, what is your solution to the ME conflict? What do you believe one side or the other should actually do?

Do you think a return to the 67 borders with a right of return is the correct thing for Israel to do, or what?

Mr. Fusion says:

#233, Bobbo,

No one has a right to land anywhere. Land is gained and held by force of arms. If you want some piece of land but don’t have the force to take and keep it, and then you continue to want that piece of land, thats called being real stupid.

Then toss me your address and we can fight over your land.

That argument has been used countless times in the past to justify genocide and theft. Today, we have this internationally recognized thing called “civility”. There are now International Laws that countries are expected to abide by.

After the last horrific war that killed tens of millions, we created the United Nations in order to settle international disputes. No, the UN isn’t perfect, but it is a lot better than using guns to settle disputes. And most major conflicts have been resolved. Viet Nam, Kuwait and Iran being the exceptions.

Mr. Fusion says:

#237, Benny,

But it doesn’t follow that the discrimination is based on race. It might be discrimination against a group of people with a stated goal of killing Jews and a history of lobbing rockets at them. The Palestinians brought this on themselves with their words and actions. That is a fact.

How many Israelis have been killed by Palestinians since 2000 then compare that number to the number of Palestinians killed by Israelis in the same period? Of course, you will claim every Palestinian death as justified and every Israeli as a murder. You will ignore that the Israelis have stolen the very land the Palestinian rockets are aimed at.

But that is OK. Someone who claims there is a big invisible dude in the sky cannot be expected to understand that maybe the people mentioned in his holy book may be bad people.