bobbo, libertarianism fails when it becomes Dogma says:

So, I pop a beer and watch whats on Tivo and up comes John Stossel with Milton Freedman’s “Free to Choose” who famously warned us all of the dangers of big government bringing us a failed welfare system and now he asks why is government getting even bigger?

I consider MYSELF a libertarian. I consider YOU, Freedman, Stossel as but demonstrable clowns. Your absolutist libertarian school yard bumper sticker positions are acceptable as a youthful infatuation but disgraceful to hold on to as adults.

I had the faint whisper of the notion that Stossel would question the libertarian free market Freedman ideas as its my understanding that Freedman and his group are the poster clowns of our failed economy: the authors of the Banking Collapse of 2008. Freedman said in front of Congress that “I was wrong thinking the market could regulate itself.” but the liebertards go on as if that too late reality was never the fact of the case, nor publicly admitted by its guru. Brooksley Born should be given 6 months to bulk up and given an shovel and a hatchet and 10 minutes alone in a room with Freedman and his retarded crew.

Have we gone too far into a welfare state? Thats debatable and changes can always be made. More/less, thats the debate.

When you make the argument that any welfare is a strike against your personal freedom==you have left the market place of ideas, or rather stay in the market selling poisonous goods.

When reality does not inform one’s philosophy, the stupidity reaches the depth of something truly evil. I suppose as long as you stay a minority, your evil can be tolerated. But here is Stossel interviewing another liebertarian quoting with approval Milton Freeman. Seems your freedom demands another market failure with appropriate catcalls for the efforts made to save the system. How can you be so confident of your position when your guru admits he was over optimistic?

Experts? Philosophers? ===Fools!

Awake says:

The truth finally starting to seep out, and it is not good news. Don’t expect to hear this from BP directly… they have been hiding the truth since before the platform collapse.

There are strong indications that the well has collapsed about 1000 feet below the sea floor, and that oil is shooting out sideways at that depth, eroding the seabed and starting to seep out through the seafloor itself. The efforts to cap the well were halted because the mud being injected was shooting out the sides of the well at that depth, causing further erosion, and that plugging the well would result in the currently gushing oil just building up pressure elsewhere and shooting up in multiple places directly from the seabed.

The oil currently gushing sideways may start seeping up from the floor at any time, deeply adding to the already incredible ‘leak’ from the main bore, possibly more than doubling the leak.

So they can’t plug the well because that would just result in oil coming up uncontrollably from other locations. Any plug that they install will have to be at over 1000 feet of depth, beyond any fracture in the main bore. The nuclear option of collapsing the well several thousand feet below the sea floor may be the only option.

And in other news from BP, there are no oil plumes. The leaking oil is being collected at a rate that may approach bring the leak back to the worst case level that was happening before the latest fix. Hurray!

Drill baby drill. Keep liability for problems at $75 million to allow small businesses to do oil exploration. Expect the government to stay out of the way but fix the problems if there are any.

On a side note, there are legal reasons why President Obama should not be speaking directly to the CEO of BP. Should the US have to seize the assets of BP to seek remedy, any direct interaction of the President with the company CEO prior to the seizure can have legal consequences. That is why Obama has not spoken directly to the CEO of BP… the US government may have to seize BP’s American assets and use them to pay for the costs of dealing with this disaster.

ECA says:

for those that dont know..

About 2 weeks before a tremor..Dogs and cats ACT strange or disappear.

A few persons watch the Kennels and MISSING pets add’s..

Mr. Fusion says:

#18, BmorbadBoy,

My alternative to government regulation is freedom in every case. Allow individuals the freedom to drill on property they own. And if they screw up, allow them the opportunity to rectify it by paying the appropriate damages to those they have wronged. It’s really quite simple. Why shouldn’t individuals be allowed to have their day in court?

So if my neighbor decides to drill a well that explodes, kills all my livestock, injures me and my family, and ruins my farm? I will have to find a lawyer, wait for a trial, live somewhere else, and hope he can afford to pay. What happens when he can’t afford to pay?

In OUR world, we would, through the collective we call government, regulate my neighbor. He would need plans to show he has safety procedures. He would need adequate insurance. He would need to use materials and procedures suitable for the job. We wouldn’t regulate him to satisfy some need to keep people subjugated, we regulate to PROTECT the rest of us.

As the BP oil spill shows, the ignoring or repeal of regulations in order to make a free society isn’t freedom. We have structured our society upon the respect of others rights. Unrestricted “free market” isn’t respecting the rights of others. It is just the tea bagger mantra of letting the next person in line pay.

bobbo, libertarianism fails when it becomes Dogma says:

Hey Fusion–thanks. You aren’t confused about everything==not even most things. (smile!)

Awake says:

#31 BubbaRay

Brilliant solution! Mop up millions of gallons of crude oil using hair. Brilliant!

So lets all go out and shave our heads today for the benefit of America!

Where was that recommended? Let me guess, it was either Rush or Glenn. They also recommended pouring barley on the oil in hopes that it will ferment (like beer) and ‘rise to the surface so it can be mopped up’.

Hey dummy… we are talking about millions upon millions of gallons of crude oil floating randomly in deep waters, traveling with the currents…. it’s not a clog in your sink!

Mr. Fusion says:

#33, Bobbo,

All sounds like to me NO ONE is operating in EMERGENCY MODE. Just allowing any sub-optimal circumstance to be a no go.

Trust me, screaming or ranting only makes you look foolish. If you are going to take charge, then have a plan and know what you are doing. The government doesn’t have a plan because this isn’t what the government does. The government has never had to deal with an oil spill. The Exxon Valdez was handled by volunteers then Exxon took over. The Coast Guard only supervised to ensure that the work was done.

BmoreBadBoy says:

@bubbaray
you hit it right on the head when you said “looks to me like government IS the problem.” If the companies, groups and individuals which actually know what they’re doing weren’t held back by the government, they could actually go ahead and do something about it without having to wait for slow, ignorant government which knows nothing about oil cleanup, to act. There’s actually a small town in LA where individuals said screw the fed gov and went ahead and implemented a solution of their own. It’s not perfect but It’s better than inaction, waiting for mama gov to come to the rescue. http://news.yahoo.com/video/us-15749625/one-town-protects-itself-from-oil-spill-20233214

Cutthecraps says:

After so many days and no solution in sight??

Hurricane season is on already right? Imagine the hurricanes dumping the oil slick inland?! I’m no scientist but aren’t the ‘gulf stream’ thing will carry all these slicks all the way to Washington, New York, Boston, then to… Europe??

Smart people, pls enlighten me.

Mr. Fusion says:

#35, BadLittleBoy,

Want to play what if? What if your neighbor builds a bomb and it explodes accidentally, injuring you and your family and destroying your property? How did the government protect you? It can’t and it’s foolish to think it can. Stop allowing scare tactics to run your life!

No, I never suggested we play “what if”. Extremist comments though are indicative of the writers lack of vision, especially when you chide me for playing when the game is your idea. BUT, … .

If my neighbor did something surreptitiously that no one was aware of that ended up killing me and my family, I wouldn’t be around to complain. The best I could preemptively hope for is that it takes him too.

Back in the rational world, We the People have decided to regulate ourselves as to what is an acceptable conduct. Allowing people to build bombs is one of those things not allowed. But hey !!! I recognize, as does everyone else, that there are people that do break the law. Currently there are over 2 million people, edging higher every year, that are in jail because they did break the law. Very few of them were apprehended prior to committing their crime.

Were you aware of when the Exxon Valdez spill occurred? 1989. There are still some cases that haven’t been decided. Over 20 years and people are still waiting for justice. Of the close to 50,000 people that claim to have been injured by VIOXX, only 20 cases have come to trial. And you want the courts to be the sole arbitrator/protection.

I don’t understand you right wing nuts. You continually claim the Constitution as the law of the land yet you don’t want to live under it. We WANT the government to impose restrictions on our lives. WE THE PEOPLE do not want our fellow citizens to injure someone personally and WE THE PEOPLE do not want them to injure my property. Or your property. Or someone three States over I’ve never met. WE THE PEOPLE decided that, and it is lawful and it is right.