Mr. Fusion says:

#41, Bobbo,

Hey Fusion–well done on the moniker manipulation. I missed that one.

A nasty, but fun, little habit of mine. I get it all the time so I seldom feel guilty.

I’m not sure who coined it, it might have been you, but one of the better twists I like is LIEbertarians. It is so apt and fits the bill so well.

BmoreBadBoy, call me a voluntaryist so you won't confuse me with the Libertarian party, says:

@bobbo
Yes, we are at an impasse. You seem to lump me in with those “libertarians” who site from so called “free marketeers” who use the government to pass laws which deregulate businesses. Maybe I should stress that you shouldn’t call me a libertarian, because obviously the Libertarian party has been taken over by the republicans. From now on, call me a voluntaryist. That way, you won’t be so confused.

I don’t know why you keep bringing up Stossel or Friedman at all, as I never mentioned either, you did. You can save those arguments for your libertarian friends. If you use the government to force regulations on business at all, there is no free market. You don’t seem capable of grasping that concept. Even if you deregulate one aspect of the market, other regulations will still affect the market. All your little examples are just proving MY point. Government allowed the deregulation of derivatives. Did Congress not VOTE on it? Government is the failure, not the free market, since there is no free market. Stop deluding yourself.

And I could care less what you think of my arguments. Anyone with common sense can see the points I’m driving at. You’re just blinded by your liberal ideals.

@fusion
Well, you ask me questions as loaded as the ones you asked, and expect me to answer them in a forum such as this one? I’d basically have to write a book. I guess the short answer would be if there is a demand for something, someone will supply it. That goes as much for cars, clothes, food and housing as it does for medical care, mitigation, litigation and protection services.

Yes, I say read as much as you humanly can! The more you read the better. I never said only to read the books I recommend. Read, read, read. Then use common sense and logic to ferret the useful from the bullcrap. You asked me, bascially, how a free market society would work. I recommened an audiobook so it would be easy for you to hear some ideas about it. Where’s the harm in that? Obviously, you’re not interested. C’est la vie.

I quote, you said in comment #28, “So if my neighbor decides to drill a well that explodes…” That’s playing “what if”. That’s indicative of your poor memory and lack of focus or inability to pay attention, or something. Mine is not an extremist comment any more than yours. If your neighbor is drilling for oil, he plans to make lots of money, and would most likely progress in a manner to protect his future investment and not risk it by being careless in a fashion that would injure you or damage your property. Now, BP, on the other hand, is a corporation, and is thus protected by the government. That means they can injure or ruin any property they like, while enjoying limited culpability laid out by their buddies in Congress, whom they have lined the pockets of with “campaign donations”.

Now, by “we the people”, I presume you are talking about the Constituion. Well, I wasn’t around when they wrote that thing. I never signed it. Neither did I swear to uphold it. So “we the people” doesn’t apply to me. Furthermore, I never “decided to regulate” anything or anyone. I don’t believe in collectivism and I don’t believe in assimilation. Yes, there are millions of people in jail for breaking “the law”. That doesn’t mean they did something which caused harm to another or affected another’s property. Where is the victim if I choose to smoke marijuana? Is my body not my own? Or does the government own it? How can they jail me for doing something to my own body? There are millions of people in jail who don’t belong there but are because of your precious government.

Well, to finish off, I’m not a right wing nut. I don’t hold onto the Constitution as if it were a gun. I don’t want the government to impose anything on me, that is silly. I believe freedom is the best way to lead our lives. Obviously you don’t. I say, as long as my neighbor isn’t aggressing against me, I won’t aggress against him. The government aggresses against peaceful people everyday. It’s called taxation. And until you open your eyes and admit to yourself that taxation is just government sanctioned theft, you’ll never see the harm that it does on a daily basis.

BmoreBadBoy says:

@bobbo
Let me ask you 1 question. If government is so great, why are we forced, under threat of fines, interest, property seizure, and jail time, to pay for it?

Mr. Fusion says:

#44, LittleBadBoy,

Now, by “we the people”, I presume you are talking about the Constituion.

Nope. I mean the people that make up this country. The people that elected a government. The people that don’t want to live next door to a rendering plant or metal stamping plant. The people that want regulations that would have these facilities set up away from residential areas.

Furthermore, I never “decided to regulate” anything or anyone. I don’t believe in collectivism and I don’t believe in assimilation.

If you don’t want to live within the rules of our society, feel free to leave. Somewhere there must be an island that could handle your type of “meism”

Now, BP, on the other hand, is a corporation, and is thus protected by the government. That means they can injure or ruin any property they like, while enjoying limited culpability laid out by their buddies in Congress, whom they have lined the pockets of with “campaign donations”.

Actually no they can’t. I understand your ignorance of living in a society blinds you to the benefits of regulation, but you are wrong. ALL mineral resource development in this country requires a permit. It is regulated. As part of their regulation they must submit to the will of the people which includes, doing their drilling and extraction in a safe way.

Well, to finish off, I’m not a right wing nut. I don’t hold onto the Constitution as if it were a gun.You already confessed you don’t agree with the Constitution or laws of our land. It might very well be you aren’t American and don’t hold to the laws of whatever country you do live it.

I don’t want the government to impose anything on me, that is silly. Even when all your neighbors decide they don’t want you polluting their water or making loud noise all night? You are allowed to vote for a representative or even run to be a representative. It is OUR representatives that form this “government” you despise. If you don’t vote then don’t complain about what you got. If you did vote and your candidate lost accept that more people disagree with your position than agree with it.

The government aggresses against peaceful people everyday. It’s called taxation. And until you open your eyes and admit to yourself that taxation is just government sanctioned theft, you’ll never see the harm that it does on a daily basis.

Like I said, if you don’t wish to be a member of our society, you may feel free to leave. When I buy something I am expected to pay for it. When my buddy and I go to a ball game, we are expected to pay for our seats. When our town builds a ball park for the kids we are expected to pay for the construction. The government pays for its purpose by collecting money from all its members. Yes, taxes.

But remember, if you don’t want to pay for your way in life, feel free to find that island.