1. clancys_daddy says:

    Flat 15% income tax for all rich poor middle, have a nice day.

  2. Winston says:

    “Who create the jobs?”

    Small businesses, not the mega-corporations that own our government.

    “Where does all of the money the Democrats give to the poor come from?”

    China, the same place both parties get the money they give to those who own them (which would not be us).

  3. Awake says:

    From Slate magazine today:

    Between 2001 and 2009, corporate America designed the playing field to its specifications—easy money from the Federal Reserve; lower taxes on capital gains, dividends, and income; an administration that let industry essentially write its own regulations. But the players proceeded to put up goose eggs. In January 2001, there were 111.6 million private-sector payroll jobs in the United States. In January 2009, when Bush left office, there were 110.9 million. The stock market is basically where it was a decade ago. The lost decade ended with the deepest recession since the Great Depression.

    http://slate.com/id/2260634/

    It also clearly states that the current administration is also ‘working’ with big business, with the same dismal results.

  4. tcc3 says:

    The wars didn’t help, and the econ crisis is a big factor. But the tax cuts are a huge portion of that graph.

  5. Bob says:

    I am glad all the democrats on this board work for poor people. I mean its great that the “rich” do not employ people and will not ever think about maintaining their standard of living at the expense of unnecessary employees. Or moreover that “rich” will go ahead and expand anyway despite Obamasiah’s ever increasing tax burden on them, not to mention the increasing federal regulation that democrats think is a great idea.

    I wish I had some of what the democrats on this board are smoking.

  6. Dallas says:

    #23 Great chart.

    It’s pretty much there for the Republisheep to see but there’s plenty of room under the rug.

  7. When Bubba said “…sorry, but I have to raise your taxes…”, that’s when I closed my small business and I have yet to re-open it.

    I’m not rich, you probably eran more in one year’s worth of salary than what I have, but I’ll not support any type of social progeram with my tax dollars, and I will bet you that I donate more than you do to charities when you factor in the %%%%!

    Socialism is s***!, that is why Europe had to become the EU, yet, even after the the RE crisis caused by the Carter/Clinton/B.Frank/Chris Dodd’s lending ultimatums to the banks, the dollar stands above the Euro. Take that, put in your pipe and smoke it.

  8. RSweeney says:

    Why is that liberals believe that allowing someone to KEEP their own money is the same as RECEIVING money taken by force from someone else?

    We have almost 1/2 the nation paying ZERO federal income tax. ZERO. That’s obscene.

  9. raster says:

    #27

    Hate to burst your delusional bubble (must be nice in there!) but nearly every wage-earner pays income tax.

    Since taxes are now deducted automatically out of your pay the fact that you don’t have to pay more at ‘tax time’ doesn’t mean you didn’t pay taxes.

  10. raster says:

    #28

    Learn to read idiot!

    He said half the country isn’t paying taxes – have you forgotten that children and the elderly don’t pay taxes?

  11. Awake says:

    #27 RSweeney:

    To quote Leona Helmsley: “We don’t pay taxes. Only the little people pay taxes.”

    —————

    RSweeney, maybe half the people in the country don’t pay taxes because they are too poor to pay taxes?

    As of 2007, 20% of the US population had 84.6% of the total net worth.

    As to “financial” strength, the top 20% of the population controlled 93% of the money.

    In other words, only 7% of the money is controlled by a full 80% of the population.

    Regarding the rich, the top 1% own 34.6% of the wealth.

    http://sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html

    ———

    Again, maybe half the population in the USA pays no taxes because they have NO money. The average Hispanic family had a 2007 net worth of $400, the average black family had a net worth of $500.

    By the above figures, about 50% of the population controls maybe 6% of the the total money.

    Give tax breaks to the top 20%, and you have NOBODY left paying taxes except the true middle class.

    ———–

    Real figures can be embarrassing, can’t they? You probably feel like you just had a pie shoved in your face, don’t you.

  12. hhopper says:

    Abolish the current system of income tax and establish a national sales tax.

  13. Thomas says:

    #17
    If we were under FDR in today’s environment, the rich would pay over 100% of their income to taxes. What is missed in all this is all the OTHER taxes people pay in addition to Federal taxes like State tax (and gas taxes, higher sales taxes…). In CA, the highest income tax is 11%. So, if we fast forward FDR’s tax rate to today the rich would pay 105% of their income to tax. Sounds like the perfect liberal plan.

    What is ignored in all comparisons of the top tax rate is the percentage of people that qualified for the top tax rate. IIRC, it used to be just the top 1%. I’m curious why the liberals here don’t want to simply set the tax rate for the rich at 100%? Why “allow” them to keep anything? Imagine the simplified tax form: “How much did you make? Send it in.”

  14. Mextli says:

    #16 “For the 1 person making $1,000,000
    YOU COULD HIRE 50 people at $10 per hour.
    Do you really think that 1 person can do MORE work then 50..”

    Perhaps it is not who does “more work” but whose work is valued more.

    Naturally that is an elitist statement since we are all “equal”.

  15. bobbo, the evangelical anti-theist says:

    IdiotThomas–”You Know” as a weak tether to reality, whenever you start a sentence with “If” you should really check the end of that sentence. Yes, and you know “IF” frogs didn’t die and decompose, frogs would cover the earth 2 miles thick. And “IF” politicians weren’t corrupt, we’d be living in the land of milk and honey. But there is a reason there is an “IF” qualifying such statements: they precede idiotic assumptions relevant to nothing else in particular.

    Then you go on to muse: “I’m curious why the liberals here don’t want to simply set the tax rate for the rich at 100%?” //// And the answer would arise from the same reason there is any tax at all: society would not function at that rate of taxation.

    Gee Thomas, what would happen “IF” you were rational? Why, your posts would change dramatically. Yes, I know, not relevant to anything particular, such ifs.

  16. ECA says:

    32,
    FDR’s tax rate was dropped in 1970..it was 70% at that time. ONLY ON BUSINESS.
    Which is funny. AS a business didnt REALLY want to make a fortune..
    After 1970, what has happened?
    Fake OIL shortages, 2-3 collapses in the stock exchange. Major corps going bankrupt or SCREWING the public.

    Think about it.
    Before 1970, with the BOOM of the public buying POWER, to NOW, and the public has NO POWER.

  17. Mextli says:

    #27

    95% of all income tax is paid by only he top 3% of income earners, and the lower 40% pay no tax, with a very large percent of them actually getting money back in the form of EIC credit and such.

  18. Awake says:

    #36 Mextli,

    If we are talking about a ‘true’ income tax, where taxes paid are proportional to income received, then your figure of 95% of taxes being paid by the top 3% sounds about right, or at least not too far from ideal.

    As per my #30, the top 20% control 93% of the money, so shouldn’t they be paying 93% of the taxes, with the bottom 80% paying the remaining 7% of the taxes? If we take that further, the bottom 40% should be paying only 3.5% of the taxes, which is about what we have right now.

    Do a flat tax and you end up with something rather similar, except that upper tax brackets hate it because of the lack of deductions, and they would pay more in tax because it would be based on gross income, not adjusted.

  19. JimD says:

    “GOP” GREEDY OBESE PIGS – the Party of the Rich !!! Any you know what ? They WANT EVEN MORE TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH !!! There is no end to their GREED !!!

  20. ECA says:

    Jim,
    BOTH PARTIES are RICH.

    There is NO democratic nation, in the world that has ONLY 2 to select from. ONLY THE USA..

    But, even here, we have OTHER GROUPS..and NONE has the power/wealth of these 2 groups.
    THAT is the problem.
    These 2 groups have lobbied into use, laws that make it VERY difficult to RUN for office. YOU can NOT run if you have NO MONEY.

    I WOULD LOVE,
    All money to be placed into a POT and equally distributed between running persons.
    To get to RUN in an election you need 1 million signatures.
    all WILL BE GIVEN equal time on TV..
    REAL DEBATES…ALL will attend and it could last DAYS (as they used to).
    REAL questions..WE all get to ask..



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