ImaMexican says:

I am a Mexican with no intention of immigrating to the US (Not that I don’t like it) most Mexicans wouldn’t move to the US as most Americans wouldn’t move to Mexico, Like most things in life it has advantages and disadvantages.
But here are some facts:
If you have a green card you don’t necessarily have to pay taxes in the US. (You can pay them to your home country) So if you want tax revenue you need citizens.
Most people go from Mexico to America for jobs. If there were no jobs there would be a lot less immigration. (BTW: Pay is less here but cost of living is also less here) Health care is free in Mexico so I don’t think that most immigrants are there for the social services.
All this discussion about Mexican immigration will end one way or another as Mexican population growth is slowing down very fast. It wont be long before there won’t be any Mexicans available to migrate. There will be other nationalities, but probably not as compatible with the US as Latin Americans are. (Just look at the problems France is having with their muslim immigrants.
As Americans and Mexicans get older, they will need immigration from other countries to work and pay taxes to maintain social services to aging populations.

tcc3 says:

But KD, when we finally achieve that perfect utopia, then people will argue against immigration on the basis that the “furriners” will mess it up.

its amazing ow many of these same arguments have been used over and over through the history of the US, and it always boils down to thinly veiled racism – whether against irish, italians, jews, mexicans, asians, etc, etc.

pedro says:

#42 Births might be decreasing in upper/middle class but I don’t see any latin american country diminishing their lower class birth rate.

bobbo, to the left of Obama says:

tccs – we have identified the beef: do immigrants take jobs from the legally here or not?

And the answer is: OF COURSE THEY DO!!!!!

So, the issue actually is who benefits and who loses by immigrants (legal and illegal) coming in and taking jobs from those already here?

And the answer is: Those who hire these immigrants at lower wages, and those who assume they get their votes.

And if you disagree with this benefit to our overlords, THEN you are a racist.

Seems to me you have this hook firmly lodged in your jaw bone along with the sinker, and the line?

Pretty straightforward???? What has you confused?

tcc3 says:

But you make my point for me boobo. The problem is with those who would exploit immigrants (especially illegal ones), not the immigrants themselves.

I’m all for sticking it to companies who employ illegals for slave wages. Their argument that “Americans wont do this work” often translates to “Americans wont work for the pittance we want to pay”

Ignoring the root of the problem while vilifying the symptom (often with racist arguments) solves nothing. It only perpetuates the situation. Fixing the problem does three things: reduces cheap exploitable labor, makes waves with a powerful voting minority, and reduces the ability of wily politicians to leverage racial hate and fear to sway another powerful voting bloc.

All exploitation, all the time. No one wants to solve this problem. Its too useful.

Traaxx says:

I don’t understand what Uncle Dave Stalin wants, we have 22% unemployment. We do not need more mouths here lowing the our wages or standard of living or sitting on welfare/social security. They take up all the slots for degrees in Universities. They take up the apartheid job quotas from the Blacks and legal Spanish.

We don’t need more diversity apartheid from the Progressive/Commies. We need manufacturing jobs, We need tariffs, We need to deport the illegal and the legals out of this country.

Whatever…………………………
Traaxx

tcc3 says:

So full of snark and misrepresentation. Seems I struck a nerve.

Yes, people who flouted the rules to come here are problematic and share responsibility. But that pales in comparison to the people / organizations who enable that behavior, and then take advantage of the desperately poor.

The problem will not be solved with amnesty, since the cause will just import more exploitable labor.

The problem will not be solved with a iron fisted crackdown on the illegals. As long as the situation exists, they’ll come back again and again.

You cant put out the fire as long as people with a vested interest keep throwing gasoline on it.

Racism may not be the only factor. It may not be yours. But I keep seeing the same tired chestnuts trotted out against newcomers (even legals) again and again. Racism is the motivation for some folks, and its being exploited for political gain.

MikeN says:

Boo hoo.

Brittanicus says:

ATTENTION! THIS IS ABOUT ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION–NOT LEGAL IMMIGRATION. GET IT!

No longer is it just Arizona’s motivation any more, other states are following Arizona’s example with the same policing law, as a facsimile of the federal law. Already a special session of Florida’s, Georgia and Utah’s legislative, wants to implement a series of laws, that will not only be the same as Arizona’s, but will use the great barrier against illegal labor, but will resort to harsh sanctions for business men who have ignored the immigration laws for at least 30 years.

Amnesty that was purportedly to halt these violations in the workplace; no administration has solidly enforced these laws. Now with the inception of E-Verify, that has been increasingly modified, an updated program with strong safeguards, its growing technology can detect stolen documents and sham social security numbers. Republican Senator Jeff Sessions introduced an amendment in 2009 that would have made E-Verify permanent and mandatory for all, but especially for construction companies. Senator Reid did not allow the idea to come up for a vote and the evidence is there that Reid tried to kill E-Verify from the beginning. The 2009 numbers show Nevada is a state with one of the highest percentage of “unauthorized immigrants” in the labor force. Reid’s office also downplayed E-Verify as inaccurate, citing recent Social Security Administration numbers.

But the federal government’s (GAO) own contracted accountants; established E-Verify worked 99-percent of the time. Harry Reid was not always an ardent crusader of amnesty for the 18 and up– million illegal aliens in America. Reid once called illegal aliens “free loaders and scam artists.” which he proposed to deal with in his Immigration Stabilization Act in the United States Senate in 1993.” That proposed legislation was presented to the floor of the US Senate with the subsequent press release, in part, issued by Reid’s office on August 5, 1993.“ When responding to increased terrorism and abuse of social welfare programs by illegal aliens, Harry Reid announced the first and only comprehensive immigration reform bill in Congress.

Currently, an alien living illegally in the United States often pays no taxes but receives unemployment, welfare, free medical care, food stamps, Section 8 housing, specific if they have a birthright citizen child and other federal benefits. Same with the “DREAM ACT” like always American taxpayers will become the benefactor, same with Anchor Babies. Previous terrorist acts, including the World Trade Center bombing, have accentuated the need to keep violent criminals out of the country.” Currently, in a round-about-turn Senator John McCain, has changed his tune just as Reid has moved opposite direction as pro- amnesty zealot. Unlike Reid’s proposed plan on immigration reform package, McCain has now expressed his judgment of enforcing the border first?

INCIDENTALLY, I WONDER HOW MANY SENATORS OR REPRESENTATIVES REALIZE THAT THIS WAS NOT THE ORIGINAL BORDER FENCE. THAT TWO FENCES SEPARATED BY A TRACK FOR THE US BORDER PATROL OF A HUNDRED YARDS WAS ORIGINALLY PLANNED? At present I question why President Obama has deployed troops on the border, as they have no power to initiate an arrest or shoot drug smugglers? Sen. Reid should now be carefully watched, as with having a large population of illegal immigrants that will violate the law in voting him back into office. His opponent Sharron Angle can be molded by public opinion, but Reid has too many questionable irons in the fire. Many favors have likely been brought from special interests and open border trash, Faith groups which need him as in top leadership to try and force through another trillion dollar amnesty.

If the illegal immigration invasion was intended to be a federal violation, then why did they make entering the United States a misdemeanor, instead of a felony? IF ARIZONA”S POLICING LAW IS A FEDERAL VIOLATION, WHY HASN’T THE GOVERNMENT SWEPT DOWN ON THE PROMOTERS OF SANCTUARY CITIES? Ask your Representatives in Congress and state assemblies these questions at 202-224-3121. Don’t wait! Bombard your lawmakers with your demands or see this country become overpopulated and in many neighborhoods third world slums, costing US taxpayers billions more in welfare programs.

bdgbill says:

Yes, it’s hard to get in because half the population of the planet is knocking on the door. Letting everyone in would certainly solve the problem because the country would suck so bad everyone would be trying to get out.