@ #11 I couldn’t have said it better. Yes, a more appropriate response to the request for identification may have been, “I’m not driving officer. I have ID, but I don’t believe I’m required to give it to you.” while continuing to record the incident.
There will come a time – and it’s not that far off – when we’ll be able to easily and automatically record every second of every day of our lives. Perhaps there will be multiple tiny cameras embedded in every shirt, I don’t know. But it’s definitely going to happen soon, and the cops – all of us, in fact – better get used to being recorded in every encounter they have with citizens.
I think it is telling how the host shows no fear, and the how the cop quickly recognizes what he is dealing with. Both sides are smartly playing their game.
#20–bmore==is it you or that other guy that I’m always disagreeing with? Anyway, given the number of igits posting here, its good to have your agreement. A calm island of reason in this sea of mindlessness submission to an authoritarian State. Kafkaesque!!
#24–fargonaz==even your made up BS is too stupid to respond to. Respond to anything actually said or implied, and I’ll get back to you.
Bobbo, I thought you gun nuts were all about having guns to protect you from the overbearing power of the STATE? Ok to have a gun, but not a camera?
Very well put.
As someone else above put it, we don’t accept the excuse from a WalMart greeter that they’ve had a bad day. That shouldn’t work for the police either. If the job is too stressful, they should change jobs.
I hate cops that abuse and intimidate. That said, the camera crew here were assholes as well. I sat back with a feeling they were out there just to provoke. That is not not necessary, unless the abuse is systemic and you’d like to uncover it for the world. You catch an officer abusing power. Fine! Great! I commend you! Nail him.
But don’t put a camera in the face of a guy that has pulled 12 hours or more, tryin g to get a mess organized. Trust me, even a peaceful man as I could be tempted to smack a punk in the teeth, pointing a camera in my face and giving smart comments while I try my best to get things sorted.
I am all for citizens agains power abuse etc. and evidence gathering But don’t provoke an irrational reaction OK? That is not fair to the subject and it falls flat with the public. Negative result.
TThor–why don’t you stick to the facts evidenced in this case? The only thing needing sorting in the video is the cop going out of his way to intimidate, bully, and coerce a free citizen exercising his free constitutional rights. Bring in extraneous irrelevant issues as you do, and you will remain the same.
How’s about someone follow you guys around with a camera recording your every move?
These guys aren’t about liberty, they’re about celebrity. “I don’t want to file a complaint, I want to post on YouTube.” Now THAT is dedication to the cause of freedom.
I’d say that these guys got exactly what they were looking for, but they didn’t. The officer backed off. They left empty handed.
“The photographer does need to provide his name when asked by the police.”
Mike, as Bobbo pointed out, you in fact do not have to provide your name/identification to police officers when asked unless you are detained on suspicion of a crime. What I would add to Bobbo’s comment though is that you also have to give your name/id/license when operating a motor vehicle, since you waive your 1st amendment right against compelled speech by choosing to drive/attain a driver’s license.
But if you’re just walking down the street and a cop says ‘what’s your name?’, you’re under no obligation to tell him.
Come on John you can do better than this that camera guy was an Idiot, there are photojournalists out there getting real harrassment that need your help not this parking lot shooter
The filmer should have had a permit to film on private property. dems the rules.
That aside… Things like this happen all the time. Stressed out people snapping at the smallest things. It takes a grown up to man up, reevaluate, and apologize.
This one isn’t less about power tripping cop vs hippie. It’s life.
Too bad you got it so wrong. Both times the police approached the camera. First the motorcycle cop got off his bike and came over to the crew. He only backed off because someone else came up and said there was an emergency. The Sargent also came up to them when they were some distance from the scene. In neither case were they interfering with the police or their duties.
Again, if the police are too stressed out to handle the job, regardless of the circumstances, they should find another job.
@TThor, #31 – Where in the law is it stated being an a-hole is illegal? When you sign up for the job of being a police man, it is with the understanding that you will be dealing with criminals and other unsavory characters. BUT, under the intent of the law, all men are innocent until proven guilty. That should apply to cops also. They should treat everyone as innocent until they show without the shadow of a doubt that they may be guilty of a crime. Not the other way around, as this video clearly demonstrates.
Of course the abuse is systemic. Have you not been following the news? Did you not read about the guy with cuffs on who was subdued by four other officers who was shot in the back? Did you not read about the guy who got maced and beat down in front of a night club for being at the wrong place at the wrong time? Or the guy whose house was raided because he posted a video of a police interaction not much unlike this one on youtube? Are you really living under a rock that huge? Or are you just blindly leading your life without a care in the world…until something like this pops YOU right in the mouth?
And yes, we are all humans and capable of losing our cool. I get that. Unfortunately, cops get away with it. The system is poorly designed. Cops are not held culpable for their actions. Without cold, hard video evidence, who do you think a judge or jury is going to believe in a court of law? That’s the difference between you losing your cool and popping someone in the mouth and a cop doing the same.
@Sagrilarus, #33 – If I’m a public official working in public in a public capacity on public property, then yes, follow me around and film me. Shoot, even if I’m a private person going along minding my own business I can’t stop someone from filming me in public, of course, I think you have to sign a waiver first before they can sell it or something…. So what’s your point? If my taxes are paying your salary, I have every right to film the job you’re doing, and expose the results to your other bosses.
And the reason he said he’d rather post it on youtube is because filing a complaint with IA is about as useful as a hole in the head. Do you honestly expect the cops to investigate themselves? You truly are gullible.
@The Aberrant, #34 – You’re absolutely right. But this is how the ignorant masses are manipulated. Giving up your 1rst amendment right in order to drive is f*cking bullsh!t. Just another way the government incrementally takes away your rights until you become their absolute slave.
@bobbo – Yes I’m the one you’re always disagreeing with. As long as you’re arguing the side of liberty, I have no problem with your views.
bmore==liberty-YES, but responsibility and pragmatism too. You almost imply you think having to give a cop your name if stopped in your car is somehow wrong? Well, cops aren’t allowed to stop you in your car without reasonable suspicion of something, so names/drivers license/insurance seems reasonable to me in such cases.
You also seem to agree that you/me/we can be filmed in public. Many here, including our dear editor, disagree with that and find that to be an invasion as well: “Don’t look at me!”
Lots of ways even a narrowed down group of liberty lovers can still disagree—until the group gets down to just me, and then, disagreements still occur. Disagreeable lot!!
right now a camera is more dangerous than a gun to cops
“That was the whole point, to intimidate you to back off.” -police office #33
If that’s not telling, I don’t know what the f*ck is…
@ #11 I couldn’t have said it better. Yes, a more appropriate response to the request for identification may have been, “I’m not driving officer. I have ID, but I don’t believe I’m required to give it to you.” while continuing to record the incident.
Doddo, All cops are bad, said,”Blah blah blah the usual contrived line of BS.”
The point is, Dipstick, that you do not know what went on before this hacked piece of footage showed up.
Ya, Doddo, let get rid of all the cops…
Doddo, don’t you ever get tired of being a stupid fucking tool?
There will come a time – and it’s not that far off – when we’ll be able to easily and automatically record every second of every day of our lives. Perhaps there will be multiple tiny cameras embedded in every shirt, I don’t know. But it’s definitely going to happen soon, and the cops – all of us, in fact – better get used to being recorded in every encounter they have with citizens.
I think it is telling how the host shows no fear, and the how the cop quickly recognizes what he is dealing with. Both sides are smartly playing their game.
#20–bmore==is it you or that other guy that I’m always disagreeing with? Anyway, given the number of igits posting here, its good to have your agreement. A calm island of reason in this sea of mindlessness submission to an authoritarian State. Kafkaesque!!
#24–fargonaz==even your made up BS is too stupid to respond to. Respond to anything actually said or implied, and I’ll get back to you.
I wouldn’t have been surprised if that kid got baton whooped, tazed and taken off for a complete and utter waste of police time.
He was an idiot, and that cop should have busted his head open. I felt like doing it all throughout the video.
The cops job is difficult enough without have to deal with this type of crap.
#28 PaulG -
Jews being marched off into the showers also respected “authority”.
Sounds like you would happily be one of those directing the marching.
Why do you hate freedom so much? Are you a member of the Taliban?
Bobbo,
I thought you gun nuts were all about having guns to protect you from the overbearing power of the STATE? Ok to have a gun, but not a camera?
Very well put.
As someone else above put it, we don’t accept the excuse from a WalMart greeter that they’ve had a bad day. That shouldn’t work for the police either. If the job is too stressful, they should change jobs.
I hate cops that abuse and intimidate. That said, the camera crew here were assholes as well. I sat back with a feeling they were out there just to provoke. That is not not necessary, unless the abuse is systemic and you’d like to uncover it for the world. You catch an officer abusing power. Fine! Great! I commend you! Nail him.
But don’t put a camera in the face of a guy that has pulled 12 hours or more, tryin g to get a mess organized. Trust me, even a peaceful man as I could be tempted to smack a punk in the teeth, pointing a camera in my face and giving smart comments while I try my best to get things sorted.
I am all for citizens agains power abuse etc. and evidence gathering But don’t provoke an irrational reaction OK? That is not fair to the subject and it falls flat with the public. Negative result.
TThor–why don’t you stick to the facts evidenced in this case? The only thing needing sorting in the video is the cop going out of his way to intimidate, bully, and coerce a free citizen exercising his free constitutional rights. Bring in extraneous irrelevant issues as you do, and you will remain the same.
How’s about someone follow you guys around with a camera recording your every move?
These guys aren’t about liberty, they’re about celebrity. “I don’t want to file a complaint, I want to post on YouTube.” Now THAT is dedication to the cause of freedom.
I’d say that these guys got exactly what they were looking for, but they didn’t. The officer backed off. They left empty handed.
S.
“The photographer does need to provide his name when asked by the police.”
Mike, as Bobbo pointed out, you in fact do not have to provide your name/identification to police officers when asked unless you are detained on suspicion of a crime. What I would add to Bobbo’s comment though is that you also have to give your name/id/license when operating a motor vehicle, since you waive your 1st amendment right against compelled speech by choosing to drive/attain a driver’s license.
But if you’re just walking down the street and a cop says ‘what’s your name?’, you’re under no obligation to tell him.
Come on John you can do better than this that camera guy was an Idiot, there are photojournalists out there getting real harrassment that need your help not this parking lot shooter
#35. John did not post this video.
The filmer should have had a permit to film on private property. dems the rules.
That aside… Things like this happen all the time. Stressed out people snapping at the smallest things. It takes a grown up to man up, reevaluate, and apologize.
This one isn’t less about power tripping cop vs hippie. It’s life.
TT
Too bad you got it so wrong. Both times the police approached the camera. First the motorcycle cop got off his bike and came over to the crew. He only backed off because someone else came up and said there was an emergency. The Sargent also came up to them when they were some distance from the scene. In neither case were they interfering with the police or their duties.
Again, if the police are too stressed out to handle the job, regardless of the circumstances, they should find another job.
@TThor, #31 – Where in the law is it stated being an a-hole is illegal? When you sign up for the job of being a police man, it is with the understanding that you will be dealing with criminals and other unsavory characters. BUT, under the intent of the law, all men are innocent until proven guilty. That should apply to cops also. They should treat everyone as innocent until they show without the shadow of a doubt that they may be guilty of a crime. Not the other way around, as this video clearly demonstrates.
Of course the abuse is systemic. Have you not been following the news? Did you not read about the guy with cuffs on who was subdued by four other officers who was shot in the back? Did you not read about the guy who got maced and beat down in front of a night club for being at the wrong place at the wrong time? Or the guy whose house was raided because he posted a video of a police interaction not much unlike this one on youtube? Are you really living under a rock that huge? Or are you just blindly leading your life without a care in the world…until something like this pops YOU right in the mouth?
And yes, we are all humans and capable of losing our cool. I get that. Unfortunately, cops get away with it. The system is poorly designed. Cops are not held culpable for their actions. Without cold, hard video evidence, who do you think a judge or jury is going to believe in a court of law? That’s the difference between you losing your cool and popping someone in the mouth and a cop doing the same.
@Sagrilarus, #33 – If I’m a public official working in public in a public capacity on public property, then yes, follow me around and film me. Shoot, even if I’m a private person going along minding my own business I can’t stop someone from filming me in public, of course, I think you have to sign a waiver first before they can sell it or something…. So what’s your point? If my taxes are paying your salary, I have every right to film the job you’re doing, and expose the results to your other bosses.
And the reason he said he’d rather post it on youtube is because filing a complaint with IA is about as useful as a hole in the head. Do you honestly expect the cops to investigate themselves? You truly are gullible.
@The Aberrant, #34 – You’re absolutely right. But this is how the ignorant masses are manipulated. Giving up your 1rst amendment right in order to drive is f*cking bullsh!t. Just another way the government incrementally takes away your rights until you become their absolute slave.
@bobbo – Yes I’m the one you’re always disagreeing with. As long as you’re arguing the side of liberty, I have no problem with your views.
bmore==liberty-YES, but responsibility and pragmatism too. You almost imply you think having to give a cop your name if stopped in your car is somehow wrong? Well, cops aren’t allowed to stop you in your car without reasonable suspicion of something, so names/drivers license/insurance seems reasonable to me in such cases.
You also seem to agree that you/me/we can be filmed in public. Many here, including our dear editor, disagree with that and find that to be an invasion as well: “Don’t look at me!”
Lots of ways even a narrowed down group of liberty lovers can still disagree—until the group gets down to just me, and then, disagreements still occur. Disagreeable lot!!