Part One
Part Two
Part Three
A lot of interesting memes and accusations within this press conference. Daniel Ellsberg shows up in part one with some chilling information about Obama.
#17 “Old History ??? Does that make it OK?? Are you defending torture ??”
Of course I am not defending torture. Just pointing out that and other atrocities have been around a long time and probably will be around in the future.
War is a nasty business and there is no getting around that.
I just don’t understand the role of Wikileaks. I feel they do as much harm is good. Do you really think they are going to change anything?
I personally feel that Assange is just an ego driven ass drawing attention to himself.
#mextli — I think I have one interesting theory about what’s up with Wikileaks on tomorrow’s Noagenda.
#9 if we left right after the election this might have happened, but only to end up in a book without everyone wringing their hands and calling for the guy’s lynching and on and on… This is a circus that would not be in play.
Obama is a weak president for allowing repeated leaks like this. Lincoln, FDR, would not have stood for this, so he can forget about that level. But for Obama it’s worse. Even Clinton would have prevented this, and he wasn’t fighting many real wars.
Mextil said
I just don’t understand the role of Wikileaks. I feel they do as much harm is good. Do you really think they are going to change anything?
I personally feel that Assange is just an ego driven ass drawing attention to himself.
They have stated their role.. It is to expose the truth.. If the truth is that the US committed War Crimes.. then I want to know that.. and I think anyone who gives a flying crap about this country would also want to know what is being done in our name with our tax dollars…
And Yes I definatley think something can be done about it..And no I do not think it is OK to blow it off, by saying.. Ah well war is messy.. or man this stuff is been going on for a long time..
I was a US Army Soldier.. And the Geneva Convention is sacred to the the Military and needs to be followed and upheld as it protects all in war time situations.
Dead man walking.lol
Yep, there are two kinds of people: Those who value the truth, and those that want to keep secrets.
Then there are those who know that there are pro’s and con’s to everything we do, like having an open truthful transparent government or keeping secrets.
The harm caused by keeping secrets is ALWAYS many times worse than the harm caused by transparency. Ironic that in most cases, the actual harm caused by transparency is that the government can’t keep any more secrets==hah, hah.
Hypothetically: what is the very worst harm ever resulting from the truth? couple of dozen secret agents lost?–what? Meanwhile the harm by keeping secrets is covert wars undermining entire countries and civil war/wars going on for years. Which is really worse?
Sorry jack booted thugs, your secret superman underwear is on display, and you look foolish.
What about secrets that do need to be kept?
Probably the best one is the Manhattan Project?
Ha, ha.
No secret at all except from the American people. Papa Joe had the inside scoop from day one. Would it have mattered if the Japanese or the Germans knew we were working on it? Hardly as everyone was.
Secrets==more dogma for the brainless right to lap up and have them keep voting against their own self interests.
Silly Hoomans.
I believe that you would have to be delusional to think we will return to the limited federal government created by the US Constitution without first falling into civil and economic collapse.
The US Constitution was designed to protect from Govt the smallest minority group possible, the minority of one, the individual. It did so by saying NO! to a broad range of possible Gov’t excesses. But it is just a piece of paper. Fed Govt first ignored it, now they hold it in open contempt.
Today, our Fed Gov’t regulates each of us to such an extreme and has been doing so for generations to the point that most US citizens have no idea what it would be like to enjoy the individual freedoms that the US Constitution was designed to protect. As I have expressed in frustration to my representatives, you literally cannot take a crap in your own home without being subject to Gov’t control in the form of regulated design of your toilet.
There are precious few politicians in Wash that work to turn back Fed Govt, Sen DeMint comes quickly to mind. And he has done exemplary work in that regard.
But you are kidding yourself if you think the election coming up will matter a whit in changing the direction of the Fed Govt. We have been enslaved, long ago forfeited our freedoms, and a great many citizens were applauding while their rights were being trampled. Repub or Dem, both are guilty.
I would rather live in squalor than to lose individual rights. But too many citizens saw how hard life could be and begged Govt for reddress. And Govt was all too happy to throw them a few crumbs in exchange for expanding their scope and power.
We The People were supposed to control our Govt. Anybody believe that the people control the Fed Govt today rather than the other way around?
checkthis,
in your little simpleton fantasy world, mommy and daddy provide everything for you to suckle, magically.
In the real world, complicated disagreements and exchanges happen that work our common rules and processes. These exchanges are based on existing principals, like English Common Law and French Common Law (in LA), and take hundreds of years of debate to develop and resolve. Without rules and law, we would be living in shit, literally, as in Cholera infested, trash mound living. You would be dead from illness by age 25.
Retards think this kind of Progress happens in an evening of discussion.
aND back TO MY QUESTION i POSTED..
#12
Im going to ask ALL of you a question.
ARE YOU responsible for your Government?
Are you responsible for WHAT/HOW your government works/does/is.
In the USA, we are SUPPOSED to be responsible.
What has happened?
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LIVE in a REAL WORLD..
KNOW whats going on.
WHY it is happening..
DECIDE if its what you want to happen.
The only people Your congress and reps hear from is the CORPS…
Its time for YOU to BITCH to someone who is SUPPOSED to care for your thoughts/comments.
IF they DONT, get them IMPEACHED..
Wikileaks has done the country a great service, its irrelevant his or Elsberg’s motives…
That’s ad hominem.
I hope they accurately mine the materials, and it leads to us getting out.
I though it right to go after Osama…nothing more. I then bought into the idea of democracy as a counter to Islamic extremism…
But its too costly…in blood and treasure…its time to get out.
What is said about Obama being against freedom of speech, is evident to conservatives…has been since we learned of his associations…
Its great you leftists are finally realizing the man is dangerous to our liberty.
I thank John C for having this posted, it certainly makes this blog worthwhile.
Very informative.
#28
“you literally cannot take a crap in your own home without being subject to Gov’t control in the form of regulated design of your toilet.”
And I LIKE that. No wait… I LOVE it.
I love the fact that someone, somewhere checks my water is pure, my time is correct, establishes roads and safety procedures on them, and does all that short of shit that either WE would have done by ourselves and would never had time to live life or rely on some megacorp that is only interested in cutting corners to maximise profit.
Often those corners being cut remove safety concerns for the people working for them and the products and services they provide.
Yeah I like having someone look out for me. They get lazy at times. Sloppy. But overall they do a better job than what you’d get in say Kenya.
“I would rather live in squalor than to lose individual rights.”
Please feel free to move to some nation that has that. I don’t know where you will go. Because even in nations with squalor the military, local law enforcement or nearby militias will come stomping in and take anything they want including your life and the lives of your family.
But hey more power to ya. What you want is a fantasy world. Because even in the heady days of frontier life of 1790 where you are away from those city folk and big government people, you still had tribes nearby that due to mistreatment from Caucasians would kill you and your family without hesitation if they so chose.
One of the hallmarks of a republic is a strong central government. That is of course accountable and is regulated by the people they represent.
Current we don’t have the second and third parts being applied well. That is why we need a new government and constitution to ensure that we do have that. We simply cannot vote new people in when the system is broken.
Like hiring a painter to paint your house and there are crumbling walls and holes in them. Fat lot of good that would do.
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Speaking as a member of the vile commenting public, I just want to say that by the time most of you finally figure out why Cheney wanted our US service men to be well-versed in torture techniques, you are going to be in some pretty deep shit.
Hint: When they get back, law enforcement jobs will be about the only ones they can get.
Hint: Watch the movie “Brazil”.
I hope this is the last time I ever agree with Dallas, but yes, Cheney his accomplices and those whom he represents should be arrested, tried for treason and shot.
Because the long and short of it is that there is a revolution happening right before your eyes. The GOVERNMENT is revolting! (Against the law and the people.)
The released documents show the daily life of the conflict, as U.S. soldiers have experienced it. In addition, it appears from the thousands threat analysis, attack reports and arrest records but also reconstruct exactly how has unfolded, the Islamic brother struggle between Shiites and Sunnis, how society brutalized, such as abductions, executions and torture of detainees routine was. Even activists from neighboring Syria, Iran and Jordan mingled the documents revealed in this war. It is shown again and again. A war benefits no one. Only the people suffer.
#35 “Cheney his accomplices and those whom he represents should be arrested, tried for treason and shot.”
I think you can spare the expense of a sham trial since you have already determined guilt and punishment.
This makes you feel better how?
#22 Looking forward to it John.
#24 mikem “I was a US Army Soldier …”
That’s the second time you have said that. What’s your point? Millions have served in our armed forces.
Including Army Pfc. Bradley E. Manning suspected of collaborating with WikiLeaks.
i will say this: trying to read the wikileaks stuff is about impossible. its worse than some twitter posts with all the redactions and odd use of punctuation and abbreviations. yeah, in time itll be figured out, but it is NOT an easy read. what does //= or /- or –/ mean? crazy stuff like that. and to quote W.C. Fields, if you cant dazzle them with brilliance, bury them in bull…