This is hardly a surprise, but after locking up Bradley Manning in solitary confinement for seven months — a condition that much of the world has deemed to be torture — and looking for ways to use a computer hacking law to charge Julian Assange, rumors are that officials have offered Bradley Manning a plea deal, in which he would claim that Assange “conspired” with him to get and leak the documents. From all the info that’s come out already, there’s been little to suggest that there was any actual conspiring, but it appears that our Justice Department has decided (incorrectly) that Julian Assange is the more important target than Bradley Manning, and so it wants to bring Assange down.
Found by ECA.
I still can’t get my head around how the detractors all vehemently argue that we, the people, shouldn’t know what our elected officials are doing in our name, and paying for with our tax dollars.
Assange has done nothing that until recently, newspapers the world over haven’t been doing for years and years.
They generally don’t any more though as their new corporate masters are just shills for governments of all flavors and heavily dictate what does and doesn’t get printed.
#19..
NICE comment..but have you read any of the links in this list..
the DATA HE Gathered, was PUBLIC DOMAIN..NON-ENCRYPTED, UN conversations.
lets do it the easy way..
DO YOU EXPECT your Public posts in ANY forum to be PRIVATE??
HOW about posts on facebook?
AS with any conversation IN PUBLIC…you learn to keep your voice down, and find a PRIVATE place to speak.
There are PROBABLY no charges pending, BECAUSE its NOT part of the USA..UN is an independent organization. THEY are responsible for Their OWN protections..
This DID NOT happen in the USA. It was done from a Foreign country across the internet of OTHER countries. The information was NOT released to 1 country..it was released TO ALL OF THEM, so that NO ONE could take advantage from them.
Torture is ventriloquism
In the midst of all the news about Obama’s sellout on taxcuts and other insanities from our supposed ‘leaders’, this didn’t get much play and it should have as it threatens even further our ‘right to know’ what the government is doing in our name(s).
On Friday, December, 10th, by unanimous consent, (another way they avoid accountability), The Senate passed the Whistleblower Protection Enhancement Act (S. 372) .
Sounds good doesn’t it? Well, it isn’t !!
For the first time ever, federal employees will not be protected for blowing the whistle on a violation of law. The excuse given to justify this dangerous rollback is that it only excludes minor violations of law. The fact is there is no such thing as a minor violation of law. Either it is violation of the law or it is not. Federal managers should not be allowed to decide what laws they can violate.
In fact, this provision overturns one of few Federal Court decisions in 30 years that ordered corrective action for a whistleblower. The provision also runs counter to every major study on how to detect fraud, including the most recent study by the Association of Certified Fraud Examiners. These studies have found that the best way to detect fraud is to protect whistleblowers who report even suspicious activity because it is often the suspicious activity that leads to the discovery of major fraud.
Well, glad to see this site has become the Bobbo & Oleo Bywater Baggins Show.
Klaus Fuchs and you would have gotten along quite well, I am sure.
So a guy that publishes the truth is worse then the guy that’s provided the information? Only the US justice system would think that.
Hey Faxon–Klaus Fuchs, arguably good example of what should be kept secret. But it wasn’t kept secret, and the world continued on even to today where it is considered THE BEST SECURITY that Russia and USA have onsite inspections of each others nuclear weapons facilities. Why? Because openness avoids accidents.
Ironic huh?
So, even the very best (minus one) example of “good secrets” actually is very debateable. The very best? I’d say our development of the A-Bomb during WW2 is a “real” necessity based secret. The rest are exercises in mismanagement coverups, paranoia, and the joy of having power over other people.
Suck it up Faxon. You got one case, and one case only. D Day timing and places? Ok–3 cases. All about ACTIVE WARFARE. I see a trend, a rule that 99.99 people would get behind. The rest really is debatable, and when that is the case, I give the nudge to the truth before submitting to government liars.
Why do you support authority so?
#14
You must be under 36 then. This is nothing.
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#6 Don’t vote Republican, unless you’ve already made your money.
All they would have had to do was make me listen to rap music, I’d tell them anything they wanted to know to make it stop.
I still wanna know why Wikileaks only has stuff from the U.S., and doesn’t also expose the dirt on the Chinese, Russians, Iranians, Saudis, French, Germans, Indians, et all.
Or… is it like watching the Olympics in the US where they only show American athletes and pretend no one else is there? In other words, I am only hearing about the American dirt from Wikileaks.
So IS this (the contributor) THE same ECA who randOMLY capitolizes TEXT in HIS posts?
Not solitary:
http://csmonitor.com/USA/Military/2010/1217/Bradley-Manning-in-isolation-US-defends-treatment-of-WikiLeaks-suspect
#32,
from your post..
“Manning can watch television for one hour per day and read newspapers, military officials say. Lapan added that he is not certain whether Manning is being provided blankets, sheets, or pillows – items that are sometimes denied to prisoners on suicide watch.”
“It also addresses the charge that Manning is being held in cruel conditions – specifically, that he is not allowed to exercise in his room. “No detainees are allowed to exercise in their cell. As a matter of safety, all exercise must be supervised.””
And the last 2 paragraphs on page 2..
AS well as very little interaction with others.
Re:# 30: “I still wanna know why Wikileaks only has stuff from the U.S., and doesn’t also expose the dirt on the Chinese, Russians, Iranians, Saudis, French, Germans, Indians, et all.
I’m sure Wikileaks is open to anyone who wants to share, regardless of their country. It could be that there is no one left in China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, India et al, who has authority and also has a conscience. They’re all dead.
More Hope and Change from Barack Obama!
# 30 Yankinwaoz said, on December 17th, 2010 at 6:26 pm
I still wanna know why Wikileaks only has stuff from the U.S., and doesn’t also expose the dirt on the Chinese, Russians, Iranians, Saudis, French, Germans, Indians, et all.
You obviously have not looked at Wikileaks, if you had instead of just firing off bullshit you would see that it has content from a lot of countries outside the USA. See; http://wikileaks.ch/classification/3_0.html
“Or… is it like watching the Olympics in the US where they only show American athletes and pretend no one else is there? In other words, I am only hearing about the American dirt from Wikileaks.”
Maybe the Americans simply have more dirt than any other country.
Bradley Manning is off to the Gulag, to a bunker i Colorado for the rest of his life, mentally and physically crippled by the treatment of the sons and daughters of the “brave and the free”.
Who was it that won the Cold War…?
Janet “Lucy” Napolitano? Where are you Big Sis?
#37,
and still no charges.
NO trial posted..
# 3, #12, #15 bobbo,
Holy Guacamole, I actually agree with you.
ECA,
Thanks for the facts and the report. Truth makes people kind of crazy these days you know.
#1, #2, # 9, and others loyal to the gulag keepers:
Well in your opinion I guess that these should have been kept secret as well right?
Orders of Torture from Pres Bush re-confirmed by Obama, Project Paper Clip, Northwoods, MK Ultra – CIA Mind-Control Experiments, the Tuskegee syphilis experiments, Operation Gladio, My Lai Massacre, U.S.S Liberty Scheme, and many more here:
More nasty US secrets here..
Because your government loves you. ;-x
well, not really… if you read the link above.
BTW.. I do find it a bit odd that the leaks generally paint a good picture of the United States minus Hillary and a few others. It’s a net positive for U.S. policy, and for the Obama administration. Anyone have theories on this?
# 38 ECA,
I know… it’s interesting how these people can defend a government that tortures people, destroyed Habeas corpus, and decimated the bill of rights.