1. bobbo, of note in the news: says:

    “The only chip made in America.” Then: “and then the wafers are sent to Asia for assembly.” /// Defne: made.

    Interesting Dylan Ratigan show today. Lady guest was on about “industrial society” wherein all the productivity gains made in mfg is done by automation–ie a few folks at the top making their millions, while “thousands of employees” at the bottom have their jobs taken by machines or ships to “Asia.”

    Yes–the number of jobs a society has available is directly set by governmental “policies” like 2.5% tariff on goods from China. Why not make it 25% like the Chinese have and maybe that assembly line could make the final product here in the USA cheaper than in China?

    Anyone know how much of our “debt” is held by China? = = = == 7.5%. Most of it is held by USA Bond Holders from the looting of Soc Sec. No lock box.

    We’re doomed===all by short sighted narrowily interested special legislation. Rich PUKES want their investments in China to pay off, so don’t expect any effective legislation to develop jobs in the USA as is EVEN NOW–so doable, if we only would.

    If PUKE isn’t the right word here, what would be more descriptive?

  2. interglacial says:

    How Lexar memory is made:
    1. (USA) The US plant is FULLY automated. The two guys you see walking in at the beginning probably didn’t even need to be there, but for the camera-shoot to show one of them peering over a portable maintenance terminal. Everything is robotic (Japanese? manufactured robots by the look of the labels on some of them) and the plant pumps out hermetically sealed cases of wafers.

    2. (Asia) Cut to shot of worker opening wafer cases and manufacturing begins. Circuit boards, assembly, injection molded cases, package printing, testing, quality control, logistics and distribution.

    Multiply this by a thousand other companies doing the same and you end with the unemployment so high government has to cover-up the figures. However, reality is worse than this. Most companies haven’t even bothered to retain a token part of their manufacturing here.

    Bobbo is right, we are doomed.

  3. tomdennis says:

    I sure miss CrankyGeeks.

  4. RTaylor says:

    Can’t we accept the concept of a global economy? The more dependent we are on one another, the less likely the chance of war. The US needs to change accordingly. How about quitting the role of world cop? How about forming a global space exploration group. No single country can afford interplanetary manned flight. Protectionism and excess patriotism foster conflicts. It’s the only way the human race will survive.

  5. bobbo, of note in the news: says:

    RTaylor==everybody agrees with the broad sentiment. That just breaks down when the details are considered. Amusing you think there are conditions under which the human race will survive, but maybe I’m being too pessimistic? Well….the species will always survive. I just think “culture” when I think hooman.

    To the Stars and beyond!!!!!!!!

  6. Sparky_One says:

    But I can’t get a burger without mayo and the counter person can’t return the correct change without a machine.

    We are creating a society that won’t be able to understand these processes nor repair them.

  7. AlanB says:

    @4 RTaylor- “Can’t we accept the concept of a global economy?” I worked for a company that manufactured big servers for Sun until they took the work off shore. Went 14 months without a job. Hard to recover. When I did find a job it was working with the DOL in the trade act dept. Now instead of private business paying me to make things you pay me to help find jobs or arrange and pay tens of thousands of our tax dollars (per individual for thousands of individuals in my small state alone) for education or retraining to help make trade affected workers employable. And I’m not just talking high school dropouts. I’ve worked with doctorates.

    I’m not making a political comment
    or saying what’s right or wrong. I know better than to do that on this blog :) and besides; I really don’t know what’s right. Just pointing out some of the cost. I suppose the good news is…. I have a job.

  8. admfubar says:

    i the part about hand tested!!! how the hell do you test a memory chip by hand??? :) )
    who are they kidding?

  9. msbpodcast says:

    That chip fabrication factory was once used in a music video. (Or one that looks identical to it.)

    Arrgh! I can’t remember the name of the group or the song that I featured in one of my own podcasts. (so its going to bug the Hell out of me until I remember.)

    I can almost remember the tune too. Arrgh! I HATE getting senior moments like this.

    I remember the two guys and the one woman wearing white clean-room jumpers. There was one moment where they were crossing in the hall which was particularly surreal. Her expression seemed longingly sad.

  10. George says:

    I’d like to see the silicon ingots they cut those pizza-sized wafers from. Imagine a single crystal of silicon that large.

    All of you that worry about jobs and the like in the US… don’t. As soon as all the non-renewable energy resources are depleted, we’ll have to go back to subsistence farming. It will be feudalism all over again. All this high-tech stuff will be a distant memory. There will be a second Dark Ages, and Islam will play a major part.

  11. bobbo, the magic 8 Ball says: Think Again says:

    #11–Shortsighted George==Oil gone in 50 years but liquified coal has proven reserves for 500 years and seabed methane more than that. No, we can continuing polluting ourselves long enough to develop green energy for sure.

    The future, except for what we will do to ourselves, is so bright, I gotta wear shades.

  12. grx says:

    @msbpodcast It’s The Postal Service – Such great heights.

  13. bobbo, the magic 8 Ball says: Think Again says:

    And as the gods would have it:

    http://gizmag.com/worlds-lightest-solid-material-gets-even-lighter/17588/

    Read the comments. A whole new technology may be presented ((doubt it–but eventually its unavoidable)) here supporting a new pollution free hydrogen economy==plus clean water.

    Where are those shades of mine?

  14. Dustry says:

    Bobo:
    The video clearly shows how a memory card is manufactured. It is amazing. That’s what this post was about. The way you twist everything to fit your strange world view is troubling. Have you seen a therapist lately?

  15. pedro says:

    #1 You’re beginning to be as tiring as Dallas. And making as much sense too.

  16. Hyph3n says:

    #10 msbpodcast said “That chip fabrication factory was once used in a music video. (Or one that looks identical to it.)”

    The Postal Service – Such Great Heights

    http://goo.gl/gPIN

  17. God, also known as Allah says:

    re: Dustry #14, bobbo made an excellent comment on the actual content of the video. I’m surprised on how a company like Lexar can so easily brain wash you into believing their American made (cough) products video was only about the amazing process, and not about the fact that they really aren’t made in America.

  18. bobbo, the magic 8 Ball says: Duck and Cover says:

    #17–Allah==so when is the next flood?

  19. sargasso_c says:

    American oil is made in the Middle East. Japanese cars are made in the USA. American wealth is generated in other countries. Point lost, is that this is a global economy. Each country gets to do what it is most efficient at doing. Unless you live in France.

  20. pedro says:

    #19 Maybe they’re just born yesterday & just found out about the fact. Otherwise, they’re just plain stupid.



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