Granite1 says:

Re: “the Governor of Hawaii says he can’t find the long form birth certificate.”

The governor of Hawaii did not say that he could not find the long form birth certificate. WND (and the Daily Mail too, apparently) have both speculated and said that he cannot find it. Abercrombie never said that he could not find it. In fact, he did not say that he looked or that he even looked into the files himself.

Not only did he NOT SAY it, but it is not true. The original birth certificate exists in the files and it has been found. It was found by TWO Republican officials in the first of their two confirmations. (The second said that the documents VERIFY that Obama was born in Hawaii). But, since WND is saying that the original may be missing, the key fact at this time is that the original is in the files.

Here are the actual words of the officials at the time:

Fukino said she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama’s original birth certificate.

“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures,” Fukino said.

So not only did Abercrombie not say that the original is missing, it is not missing. And the official birth certificate plus the two confirmations show that Obama was born in Hawaii.

AND, much more importantly, there is not a shred of evidence that Obama was born anywhere other than Hawaii. His Kenyan grandmother never said that he was born in Kenya. She said repeatedly in the taped interview that he was born in Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time. AND she said in another interview that he first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter from Hawaii.

Granite1 says:

Re: “have to join Chris Matthews…again NOT a birther, not an Obama opponent, not a Republican (presumably)…I WANT TO SEE THAT BIRTH CERTIFICATE NOW.”

Answer: Chris Matthews is wrong about Hawaii law. He thinks that Hawaii can send out the original. He is wrong. Hawaii stopped sending out the original in 2001 when the short-form birth certificate became the official birth certificate. It may require a change in Hawaii law to start sending out the original again.

It would also take a significant change in Hawaii law for Hawaii to show original because birth certificates currently can only be sent to a limited list of the individual herself and family members. To make the original a public document certainly would require changing the law. But, the original is there, in the file. Abercrombie never said that it was missing.

Arne Jensen says:

On January 21st, 2009, his very first day in office, Barack Obama signed Executive Order 13489 banning the release of his birth certificate!

Interestingly, no link to “January 2009″ at Whitehouse.gov http://whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions/executive-orders

dabeeza says:

Fukino said she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama’s original birth certificate.
#81 read with me…

“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures,” Fukino said.

They have personally seen the record (list of names)the DOH has with Obi’s name on it – same list Aberdufus saw before he gave his b’deep b’deep b’deep answer to the reporter. That makes three people who saw, or knew about a LIST with Obi’s name; no one has seen the BC, although I’ll grant you that some may have touched the LIST. You protest a bit too much…must be something there, I’m thinking.

Alfred Persson says:

#76 But you will not be successful in your lobbying. Why not? Because Obama has already provided a CERTIFIED birth certificate.

You say Obama has already shown this, so why is the headline:

Hawaii governor claims record of Obama’s birth ‘exists in archives’ but can’t produce the vital document

Read more: http://dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1348916/Hawaii-governor-says-Obamas-birth-record-exists-produce-it.html#ixzz1BjPcP1VB

So millions of folks and the Governor can’t find what you see posted on the NET by the Obama Regime.

Perhaps you should email them and end this controversy.

Alfred Persson says:

#83 Matthew’s point was missed…Obama should release it for us to see.

The usual suspects arguing the usual line doesn’t convince anymore, especially since Obama’s child hood acquaintance, the Governor of Hawaii, look for, but couldn’t find the certified birth certificate.

The idea Obama is playing the right, waiting for the right folks (perhaps Limbaugh, O’reilly, Beck, etc) to join the Birthers…and then will release his Birth Certificate to smear them into obscurity, has some validity, being American politics is all about smear, not substance. (Hence O’Donnell is a witch because in high school she had one or two dates with a high school kid into witches or vampires or goth or whatever).

Progressives made American politics all about the smear, the ad hominem…because they can’t argue substance.

BUT its wearing thin, Obama is President, and this issue has resurfaced, and people are blaming HIM, not Birthers, this time. He should just release the Birth Certificate, if he can.

I don’t think he can. I grant he is likely from our planet. But as for being born in Hawaii, that I don’t want to take bets on.

Alfred Persson says:

The one motive that can be applied to everything Obama does, which seems inexplicable to others, is the goal of bankrupting the system.

That’s why he wants terrorists lawyer-ed up at public expense; housed in the states rather than the much cheaper Gitmo; Trials security in the US would cost billions, while at Gitmo, nothing more than they already spend…

Only a few black farmers were discriminated against, only a few existed in history…so Obama finds millions to throw money at…

Billions are spent with no real accounting…it vanished in progressive and subversive front groups…and to keep feeding the addiction of government to waste, fraud and corrution…because it bankrupts the system.

Everywhere he goes, it costs billions…so he travels lots. Never say Obama didn’t see a billion that he couldn’t spend…because it bankrupts us.

Obama knows illegals are flooding our welfare…they can’t get a job, his policies stop that…but he lets them in, and fights any attempt at taking them off the public dole…because it bankrupts us.

The one universal motive that seems to explain every Obama action, is to bankrupt America.

That is why I consider his birth certificate “optics only,” even if he produces it eventually.

gaetano says:

EXCUSE Me! Those of you Obama lovers that call people THE BIRTHERS better get one thing straight. IT was “Hillary”, thats right,:Hillary”, that started the birther calling,when she was running against him.Now, as far as I am concerned, Obama is hiding something, for a reason. That reason is what people want to know. They do know that when a person tries to cover themselves up, it is not lies that they hide, it is truths that they hide.So, If obama is hiding his birth certificate because it would prove his ineligibility, then a person could understand why he is hiding it. BUT,why all the other stuff like college records,etc. What good would that do unless they were all produced by fraud? Maybe, just maybe Obama never went to college,or maybe, he falsified his school loans under fraud ,or used s/s numbers that were fraud.What ever the reason he hides them,we the birthers or whatever you wish to call us, are smart enough to know, that it will be enough to hurt him politically, and thats enough for me, because I hate him. He has proven that he is a liar,thru and thru. He is a fake, and I know he does not believe in GOD.I don`t think he even believes in our American way of life.So, ok, now, go ahead and start on the racist bashing.If I like people of different colors or not,It is none of your business,and I don`t really care what you think.

Mr. Fusion says:

Alphie,

Six posts in a row. each as ignorant as the previous.

Get a life. Seek medical attention. Take your medication.

Granite1 says:

MikeN said: “Perhaps the father on the birth certificate is not as stated in the biography?”

Since the facts on the official birth certificate, the Certification of Live Birth, were taken from the facts on the long-form birth certificate in the files, the name of the father is the same on the original as it is on the official.

Re the lack of photos of the wedding not proving a wedding. The lack of photos from Kenya (and taking a trip to Kenya without taking photos is strange) is combined with the lack of official documents from Kenya and the lack of official travel documents from the USA.

Birthers claim that this is explained by the Kenyan government sealing and hiding Obama’s documents. But this explanation requires faith in the Kenyan government being so efficient that not only was it able to hide every document, but that it has successfully hidden the fact that it was even hiding documents. The latter seems quite a stretch given that divided governments tend to leak, and that complete efficiency in hiding files from such experts as the CIA (which surely would have investigated) plus foreign diplomats, plus journalists and freelance journalists seems extremely improbable.

In addition to the lack of Kenyan documents, there is the lack of US travel documents. For a child born in Africa to be admitted to the USA there has to be a US travel document for admission to the USA. That would be either a US visa on a foreign passport or the change to his mother’s passport to include him while she was in Kenya–and either document would be easy to find, and no such document has been found.

For Obama to have been born in any other country than the USA requires the combination of:

(1) Travel by his mother during late pregnancy (highly unlikely because of the high expense and high risk of such a trip in 1961. A round trip to Kenya for two has been estimated to have cost around $20,000 in 2010 terms, and there was high risk of stillbirth, and of Yellow Fever in Kenya [a Yellow Fever shot itself is risky during pregnancy]);

(2) Birth outside of Hawaii (also unlikely);

(3) Birth abroad despite the absence of any foreign documents or photographs showing either that Obama was born in a foreign country or that his mother was in the country at the time (highly unlikely);

(4) The willingness of the parents to lie about his place of birth (unlikely since it would be a crime to file a false government document, and the lie would be unnecessary since for most purposes naturalizing a foreign-born child would be just as good as his being born in the country);

(5) Successfully smuggling the child into the USA without a US travel document (extremely unlikely), and;

(6) Convincing the officials in Hawaii that he was born in Hawaii (also extremely unlikely).

ALL of these six things would be required for there to be a reasonable case that he was born in any other country than the USA. What are the odds of all six of them happening?

The willingness to believe that Obama was born outside of the USA despite the overwhelming odds against it and despite all the evidence that he was born in Hawaii is why Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and Bill O’Reilly all call birthers crazy.

As for the absence of photos of the wedding not proving that there was a wedding. It is not constitutionally required that the parents of a president be married. You can vote against him in 2012 if you feel that he is illigitimate. However, to most people, an official copy of divorce documents tends to show that the people who were divorced were married at one time.