Guyver says:

26, Bobbo,

What is the distinction between working hard and applying herself?

Who cares?

and isn’t what she was born with a major part of the “luck” involved here?

Yup. And as I said before, I have no argument with that.

Instead you want to whine about the things you cannot change either for her, yourself, or others.

If you give a Liberal enough time he / she will find something to complain about. In their eyes they don’t want to work for a better way of life, they want government to force an equal outcome for all regardless of how one earns their way of life.

Liberals don’t really care about what is fair do they? They are only preoccupied with equal outcome. They think it’s their business to know what everyone makes, drives, or lives in. Suck it up.

You dismiss and disparage the HUGE role your parents have in your upbringing

You don’t know what role they played in my upbringing. They could have been lousy parents. A liberal I suppose would sit there and whine about how Life is unfair for getting such terrible parents. Someone with a backbone would realize they could do something about their predicament and ultimately shape their own outcome.

Now, take your parents and you at age 5 with fully engaged personality as formed, and move you to a foreign country that experiences political revolution.

I’ve moved around to a number of foreign countries in my formative years. I’ve observed that socialism sucks. Your point is?

I guess you would not be so deserving of life’s riches if you had to admit more luck than you wish to?

I accept whatever shortcomings Life has given me and I move on. I don’t dwell on the shortcomings like most Liberals obsess over.

I thank god for all my good luck: my brains, my health, my parents, nothing “really bad” ever happening to me. and I worked hard: 35 hours a week for 3.5 years while getting a double BA in college.

An atheist thanking God? That’s new.

The disdain for taxes reveals the very small mind. The mind who does not appreciate their good fortune in life.

I take responsibility for my own actions and you leave yours to luck. You have more control over your life than you wish to concede. That’s your prerogative. I see nothing good coming out of using government to force me to share the fruits of my labor when I’d rather do so with my own family or friends.

I am successful, he has disappeared in life but it wasn’t looking good for him. Parents. Like that story a few months ago of “That other (whats his name”–Two black guys with the same name. One is very successful, the other in jail. Parents.

And you both made choices that ultimately contributed to your current outcomes. Hardly anything to do with luck regardless of how you started out in Life. At the end of the day, the buck stops where? Your parents or yourself?

Guyver says:

42, Bobbo,

You are an island unto yourself and have made your own way in life with no help from anyone else.

For the most part this is completely true.

You got yours, screw everyone else. You are successful because of your own hard work.

I got mine and I choose who I give to. I do not need government to take my money by force and give to those I’m philosophically opposed to.

But yes, I’m successful due to my taking personal responsibility for myself. Just because I don’t praise the welfare state doesn’t make me greedy… but you’re entitled to think so if that’s your world view.

No need to provide anything of comfort/help/support to anyone else. And when the USA turns into small enclaves of the privileged with glass studded concrete walls surrounding their compounds guarded by private security keeping the successful in this life from the teaming oppressed masses fighting for the scraps on the outside, you will be proud you earned your own way.

First meteors and now small enclaves?!?!?! LOL. Look, I give to who I want when I want. It’s no one else’s business what I do. No need to be emotional because I believe you and other liberals are not entitled to know what I make.

Income disparity is the start. Tax cuts for the rich, service cuts for the poor==a spiral to the enclaved society.

First and foremost, I think taxing people on their income is stupid. That said, would you rather work for a poor person or a rich person?

I know the rich guy can afford me. There are consequences to targeting employers.

If you have traveled, you have seen this too. Not the kind of society I want to live in.

Poverty is relative to what you compare to. As you should already know, the poor in America compared to other parts of the world have it pretty damn good. But it’s all relative or what you prefer to say as definitional. Being poor can literally be a death sentence in some parts of the world. Not so in America.

Sadly, too many people “think” just as you do Guyver. Short sighted, not socially sound.

Your weakness is in your herd mentality. Without big government you fear you will not be able to survive.

Guyver says:

Hhopper,

Thank goodness the Guyver/Bobbo show is over. Man was it boring.

Sorry to bore you. Try posting something more interesting next time.

Guyver says:

46, Reagan,

Well, at least Guyver is sorry about being a colossal asshole. Me too. How about you, bobbo?

Boring == Asshole? No wonder you liberals need government to help you survive. You can’t make logical conclusions.

bobbo, words have a meaning and a context says:

Guyver–you worry me. Intelligent, cool, calm, stays focused==totally nuts. Ha, ha. So I will parse back:

42, Bobbo,

You are an island unto yourself and have made your own way in life with no help from anyone else.

For the most part this is completely true. /// Ok, I make the most extreme statement I can to back you down and you accept it completely. Obviously, one of us is nuts -or- coming from completely different life experiences/readings/environment -or- we need to correct some bad vocabulary.

After you were born, did your parents feed you? Provide shelter/clothes? Provide healthcare? An education? How did all your pre leaving home requirements get met?

If you were born less intelligent, got smallpox as a kiddie or polio or acute hemorrhagic pancreatic necrosis or any other of the terrible nasties, or ate lead paint, or drank contaminated water, or went to a bad school district, or had red hair would all your hard work have been rewarded just the same?

Were there never any “risks” in any of the choices you made? Ever have your chosen mentor die on his way home from work? Have a wife that turned out to be mentally ill or give you aides? Or your kiddies the same? None of that ever happened to you?==what hard work on your part guaranteed this result?
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You got yours, screw everyone else. You are successful because of your own hard work.

I got mine and I choose who I give to. I do not need government to take my money by force and give to those I’m philosophically opposed to. //// Yes, totally self centered. Society doesn’t work that way. You’ll find those that break into your house to take your stuff, rape your dog, and kick your wife will be very philosophically objectionable to you. Be penny wise–make sure those louts get a fair shake to begin with rather than have them roll the Karmic Wheel right through your security system.
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But yes, I’m successful due to my taking personal responsibility for myself. Just because I don’t praise the welfare state doesn’t make me greedy… but you’re entitled to think so if that’s your world view. /// I think hard work is a necessary but not sufficient foundation for success in life.
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No need to provide anything of comfort/help/support to anyone else. And when the USA turns into small enclaves of the privileged with glass studded concrete walls surrounding their compounds guarded by private security keeping the successful in this life from the teaming oppressed masses fighting for the scraps on the outside, you will be proud you earned your own way.

First meteors and now small enclaves?!?!?! LOL. Look, I give to who I want when I want. It’s no one else’s business what I do. No need to be emotional because I believe you and other liberals are not entitled to know what I make. //// So, you think the tax policies and social safety net structure and public services/government services–their nature and quality have no effect on the society as a whole?==or you just don’t care as long as you keep your maximal income? Which is it?
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Income disparity is the start. Tax cuts for the rich, service cuts for the poor==a spiral to the enclaved society.

First and foremost, I think taxing people on their income is stupid. That said, would you rather work for a poor person or a rich person? /// I don’t care who/what/why/how anyone one/thing/activity is taxed/fee’d/assessed or whatever. I merely am for a balanced budget: figure out what society needs to actually work to everyone’s maximal benefit and raise the funds to pay for it. You “imply” for the dodge that you are for a consumption tax? I doubt it and your inability to state what you are “for” just shows your muddles self serving short sightedness.
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I know the rich guy can afford me. There are consequences to targeting employers. /// Stupid. I assume this is the use of “coded words” where “rich people who employ others” is taken as a matter of dogma? Don’t think about issues, just regurgitate the dogma. Anyone that can pay me what I bargain for is rich enough. Any two people splitting the fee are rich enough.
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If you have traveled, you have seen this too. Not the kind of society I want to live in.

Poverty is relative to what you compare to. As you should already know, the poor in America compared to other parts of the world have it pretty damn good. But it’s all relative or what you prefer to say as definitional. Being poor can literally be a death sentence in some parts of the world. Not so in America. //// Exactly==and I see some parts of America that already “look like” the wealthy suburbs of Lima Peru. What would you call a “gated community with 24/7 security patrols?” We are well on our way. You are very shortsighted and overly self oriented. There is a larger world beyond what you imagine the wealth disparity in the USA to devolve into. Whats the latest cut?==home heating oil for the poor. Easy to laugh at but how well can you study when your home isn’t heated?
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Sadly, too many people “think” just as you do Guyver. Short sighted, not socially sound.

Your weakness is in your herd mentality. Without big government you fear you will not be able to survive. //// Its not ME you idiot. It doesn’t come down to who has the bigger stiffer dick between the two of us.

Ha, ha. Seems you are too much the LIEberTARD with a good smattering of lone survivalist? I should check the record and see if you are a 911 Truther as well?

I don’t care about you. I care that so many people are ((right now!)) being affected by the summing up of idiot red state voters just like you. It has lead to the exporting of American Jobs===why not? You/I have our jobs, who cares about people too stupid to get a nice white collar job? Its the death of a thousand cuts though and a strong upper class is only supported by a strong lower class and so on down the chain. America is/was rich enough to provide a fair deal to all those willing to work. Just not true anymore and its coming home to roost.

Maybe you will dodge your own bullet. Maybe your kiddies and grandkiddies will too. Great grand kiddies? Friends and Neighbors? Not even already.

Stoopid Hooman.

bobbo, words have a meaning and a context says:

Alfie–you make me blush, and if it weren’t for that glazed look you refer to, we could even be friends.

Ha, ha.

So what says:

“There is no luck. There is just a omnipotent God who screws with your life all day long and demands constant worship and adoration. Life is a theological North Korea.” The most concise and succinct explanation of dogmatic religion I have ever seen thanks.

mark says:

Maybe I don’t watch enough TV. I could not tell anything was different from any number of other lip-flapping content-free mindless drivel heads I have seen on network shows. Did I miss something?