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Like I said, it’s felony corruption, conspiracy, abuse of government power and racketeering. What’s the penalty for that ?
Is this a capital offense yet? Electric chair?
Let’s ask the Supreme Court, or what is now the “board of directors”.
This too will some day be dealt the wrath of the people. We will have our own middle east like sewer backup like the one that’s happening in that cesspool.
“Like I said, it’s felony corruption, conspiracy, abuse of government power and racketeering.”
Yeah, the government employee unions “bargaining” with politicians with political support in return for taxpayer funded benefits. Glad you see the light.
Why not just resign ourselves to the fact that we are, in fact, slaves to big corporations, and give all of our money to them, before they take it from us, one way or another?
I’m wondering when these protesters are going to picket Barack Obama? The deal he is giving federal workers is much worse than what people in Wisconsin will get, even if this bill passes. Why aren’t they going after Obama’s refusal to let federal workers collectively bargain, thanks to the influence of George Soros?
From Wikipedia:
“Confusion over whether fascism is of the left or right is due to the inability to fit the economic policies into a clear-cut category, because while fascism is considered on the right politically, fascist economic controls were left-wing, though ended up benefiting social groups considered to be supportive of right-wing parties”
Alternatively we could just keep assuming that everything is as black and white as “everything abhorrent must be a leftist plot.”
Dogma is great for bumper stickers and lousy for in depth understanding.
Government employees should not be “bargaining” with other government employees over money that is not theirs.
There is no taxpayer involved in the equation. It is wrong. There should not be public sector unions at all, with the exception of police and firemen that have hazardous occupations.
I support unions for certain situations like skilled labor in the private sector. But the idea of public sector unions for desk jobs and paper-pushers is insane.
#66 Hmeyers
You essentially just argued against representational government as a whole. I suppose we should referendum everything?
Also explain how the dangerous nature of Police and Firefighting exempts them from the arguments you are making against public employee unions?
1. Do they have dangerous jobs? Yes.
2. Are those jobs important? Yes.
3. Should they be able to bargain for their work conditions and compensation? Absolutely.
1 has no bearing on 3, nor does it have any bearing on the “rightness” of public employee unions.
We can argue whether its wrong or right, but its going to be wrong or right fairly, and for everyone affected.
They are Great Americans, its time someone back common sense…its time someone push back the loons who have overrun the asylum.
#68: You mean Walker isn’t corrupt because he accepted campaign donations?
Hypocrite.
#69 Receiving financial help from fellow Americans exercising their Constitutional rights is not wrong.
Its called “freedom.”
#66 technically they are all tax payers.
#70 Its only freedom when your guy does it. Gotcha.
@tcc3
“1 has no bearing on 3, nor does it have any bearing on the “rightness” of public employee unions.
We can argue whether its wrong or right, but its going to be wrong or right fairly, and for everyone affected.”
Eh? Coal miners should be in a union — they have unusual needs and circumstances. Should government accountants be in a union? Fuck no.
You might not agree with me, but I don’t need you to agree with me. My opinion isn’t gonna change.
What a typical response: “Fuck you, I’m right. Debate is irrelevant, resistance is futile.”
Putting your fingers in your ears and humming is also how 5 year olds “win” debates.
Well, think what you like, but here’s what the pros say:
“We’ve sought significant modifications in bargaining laws, but we’ve never sought to eliminate collective bargaining rights,” says Miles Turner, executive director of the Wisconsin Association of School District Administrators.
In fact, the association, which represents almost all of the state’s 424 school districts, doesn’t want to do away with collective bargaining.
Turner says doing so “would create a very problematic work environment because right now we have an established system, and everyone knows how the system works. There’s a comfort with everyone having a seat at the table. If you take that away, it leads to an uncertain work environment that could lead to strikes.”
http://thedailypage.com/isthmus/article.php?article=32430
This tcc3 is a riot to read. I’m a professional Firefighter/Paramedic for a city in Texas, a Right-To-Work state. We don’t have collective bargaining and I’m thankful. I don’t think police or fire should have collective bargaining any more than any other public sector employee. There is a very important factor that the public employee unions conveniently overlook because they are not interested in union members, the unions addict the union members to the idea that they ‘protect’ their jobs when what ACTUALLY protects the jobs of public sector employees is the investment the public entity has made in that employee. Hiring, training, and getting a new employee up to speed is much more expensive than keeping an existing employee fairly compensated. The VAST majority of public employees are NOT members of unions because they have a CHOICE and they CHOOSE NOT to be a member of a strongarm organization that drives wedges between the employees and the government entities for whom they work. To the extent this article is accurate, the Koch brothers gave a VERY expensive gift to the people of Wisconsin that may well be spit upon, despised, maligned, and misrepresented and may never be given its due by the taxpayers of that state. It is a gift that will allow this nonsense of public union thuggery to go the way as the American public realizes that we as public servants are genuinely blessed to have our careers and that there ARE some benefits that we enjoy that are NOT fiscally sustainable. Allowing public employees to hold taxpayers hostage doesn’t change the laws of economics. If you don’t like the benefits of the job you have, go find one better. If you don’t believe you can find one better, you might want to start counting your blessings for the position you have. I know I do.
Jack nice statement, complete and utter bullshit, but nice.
#76 – At least you agree that all public employees should be treated with equal consideration. Collective bargaining is either a right they all should have or none, not a political plum to be given to groups that endorsed your candidacy.
Beats the hell out of the “argument” above that justifies the unfair treatment with…because, its just that…cause you can’t make me change my mind that’s why!
I’m glad things are working out for you in Texas.
#9, while that may be true the poll shows people are not in favor of removing collective bargaining, those same people don’t fully understand what the implications are to that. For example if collective bargaining is so great why is it not an issue for federal employee unions? Not a single federal union has collective bargaining. Yes, there should be a better message on what it really means, but your poll is yet another example of the “public” participating in a poll of which they have no understanding of what is at stake. Most of my family from Wisconsin is in favor of the legislation. They find the unions are being babies about this whole thing. Public sector people should be paid LESS than private sector people since they get all the nice incentives like reduced healthcare costs, virtually guaranteed jobs and completely guaranteed pensions. Most of my family would be tickled to pay what they do for the benefits. In the end as has been pointed out these people’s “bosses” are the people of the state. As a boss would you take very kindly to your employees making more than you and having better benefits?
#79 “…Public sector people should be paid LESS than private sector…”
You teabaggers are quite the piece of work.