Huh. Your Uncle Dave was blissfully away on vacation and somehow missed this momentous event. Did any of you watch it? Apparently, Herman “Godfather Pizza” Cain won it.
Waterboarding is torture. But it is not the only cruel and unusual punishment.
Consider Thursday night’s “presidential” debate between Republican also-rans Tim Pawlenty, Rick Santorum, Herman Cain, Gary Johnson and Ron Paul — a former governor, a former senator, a former CEO, another former governor and a former Libertarian Party nominee for the nation’s top job.
The first face-off between the Grand Old Party’s third-stringers was so bereft of consequence that House Speaker John Boehner, spotted at a Washington steakhouse at the same time the Fox News-hosted debate was going on, allowed as how he would be satisfied to “read about it tomorrow.”
On a night when everyone who might actually end up as the party’s challenger to President Obama was otherwise engaged, the Republican remainders distinguished themselves with lines like Godfather’s Pizza king Cain’s response to a question about Afghanistan policy: “At this point, I don’t know all the facts.”
# 39
Yes I do, but I believe the discussion was about fond memories of the duh.
I remember the a 50% top marginal rate.
I also remember lazy manufacturing companies and planned obsolescence and getting waxed by the japs in making stuff.
On the yang side I remember corrupt greedy unions and lazy workers then too.
Carter I try to forget.
#29 Roberto – I missed no point. I made no point. I merely opined that sometimes, compared to what I do, a night manager’s job would almost be like a vacation. And free pizza, too!
Don’t worry about Cain’s skin color… He’s Sicilian.
Seriously, shouldn’t the guy who runs a pizza chain at least look Italian?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-WP5dYfBBzU
Har de har har! Your play book “U R Racist!” is shot to hell…Cain gonna run over you like a stampede.
#44
Two points,
Clinton was too nice to the asshole. Clinton used real math and wiped the floor with the asshole.
Secondly, the right wing nuts still have this annoying habit of making up their own facts. The guy is just too stupid to know when he was corrected.
# 45 Alphie’s confused donkey, “right wing nuts still have this annoying habit of making up their own facts.”
One point: So do left wingers, libertarians and every other politician extant. (I started to say lying politician but I hate redundancies.)
On paper Cain looks like a good candidate and the radio experience gives him good communication experience. If Trump runs he’ll screw Cain over.
Could it be, that nobody with any other talents or skills wants to be President anymore? I look at some of these people and wonder if their Ego’s make them run.
#45 Incorrect,viewing fail, Clinton asked him to email his figures, and then repeated his talking points.
Cain made a few elegant points I’m sure you missed, the Big guys (you remember them, they are in your cross hairs: “Big oil, Big Car, Big Boat”) etc and survive because they have bloated staff to lay off, and other resources small business doesn’t have.
Its small business that can’t afford the overhead and will go under. A large part of our job base would vanish. The big guys will not pick up the slack.
Cain said his margin of profit was so small, forcing him to cover partimers etc with expensive health insurance would put him under…he can’t raise his prices.
And what Clinton said revealed another fundamental truth progressives never mention…scooping water from one side of the barrel takes water from the other side as well.
Businesses don’t pay taxes, you do when you buy their product or service.
Raising taxes on big bushiness is raising YOUR taxes, and if they can still service your needs, and locate offshore where there is no tax, then the net effect of the tax increase was to lose jobs.
When I was a left loon like yourself, I always blamed “big business” for high prices…that is usually way wrong.
Just the other day a customer was ranting at the lowly shop keeper, her cigarettes were almost $5 a pack.
She was loud, threatening, accusatory, no doubt on some kind of entitlement check, a freeloader.
But the shop keeper makes less than 30 cents a pack, the Government raised the prices by raising taxes, no tax, and one could buy a cartoon of smokes for $5.
So it was her fellow progressives whom she should have been yelling at, the bastards who always want more money to spend on their favored classes, wall street bankers, goonion leaders, uncivil servants who exist to make our lives miserable with stalinista regulations…they love to raise taxes without being held responsible, that’s why they always raise business taxes…
“I’m for this guy.”
“I’m for that guy.”
Dance, monkey, dance.
#49 TDud
If only there were a way to decouple health insurance from employment as an expected benefit, taking the burden off of business so it can compete on the international market…
#52–tcc3==how right you are, and how incredibly stupid and regressive Alfie and the Pukes are: keeping business hostage to the Unions by preventing Universal Healthcare. Amazing how dogma controls the subject without the possibility of it preventing the very things desired by its imposition.
Imagine the cost of a car reduced by 3-5000 bucks because healthcare was otherwise funded? How many more units could be sold?
Why BIG BUSINESS has not been bribing Congress for Universal/single payer/government provided healthcare is simply beyond me. What sane business person would not want a significant tax burden transfered to the government? Ha. ha. Yes==the consumer pays the shifted cost/tax and that is a GOOD THING when the consumer is a foreigner.
Stupid Republican can’t tell shit from shinola.
#51 whenyagonnawiseup?
Prepare to see Tdud change dance partners again Wednesday:
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/onpolitics/post/2011/05/gingrich-presidential-run-/1
Tdud’s desperate flipflopping just shows the weakness of the Republican nominee field.
tccc3 – Gingrich is as bad (worse?) than Trump and his running will help divide the party. It’s almost like the Repubs are TRYING to give O’Bama a second term…
BTW – Don’t expect Alfie to flip until Rush tells him which one to support. I would say something like a mind is a terrible thing to waste but Alfie is more like a recorder – Limbaugh goes in the ears and out Alfie’s fingers here. No mind to interfere.
It’s gonna be a loooong time til November ’12. I’m already tired.
#55 I couldn’t blame them – still too many chickens roosting. Either things will get better or they wont. If they don’t, a Republican president might be blamed. They can retain their scrappy underdog image and have an easy win in 2016 with no incumbent.
Regardless, the current crop of misfits is going to have it tough.
#52, I don’t think it would work that way at all. Businesses are not required to provide health insurance. They do it because of the tax benefits; offering health care is worth a little more to the worker because it is untaxed. However, businesses are greedy, so presumably whatever they are offering is because it is the minimum they must pay to get the workers. So if government offers free health care, businesses no longer pay for health care, but they still have to pay the same amount to the workers. So now maybe they are paying in other benefits, or perhaps cash which is taxed, making net costs go up.
Mickey–it works the way it is set up to work. When bribing congress creeps to get the legislation you want, you get what you paid for.
#57 MikeN
When you describe it like that, it sounds an awful lot like a government subsidy to offset competitive compensation.
So tax payers are still paying for a healthcare system that fails to serve them, businesses are getting a free ride, and that free ride/burden is hurting their ability to compete in the global marketplace. Its also (according to Tdud) stifling the growth of small business.
#59 MikeN
I apologize, I misread your statement. You mean that health coverage is worth more than extra compensation because the government doesnt tax the worker for it.
My point still stands – the worker is getting the shaft while paying for a healthcare system that doesn’t serve him. It hurts companies to carry this burden compared to their international competition. TDud claims it hurts small business disproportionately.
Why does anyone but the insurance industry defend this broken system?