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I’m surprised he isn’t on an island beach somewhere with the $100 million+ he scammed from his followers.
The man who said the world was going to end appeared at his front door in Alameda a day later, very much alive but not so well.
“It has been a really tough weekend,” said Harold Camping, the 89-year-old fundamentalist radio preacher who convinced hundreds of his followers that the rapture would occur on Saturday at 6 p.m.
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“The issue is the Bible is mythology,” said Larry Hicok, state director of the American Atheists, bluntly laying out his case. Roughly 200 people attended the hastily scheduled conference to discuss the impact of organized religion on American culture.“Every ruler needs a religion,” Hicok said. “Everybody knows that’s the way you get power.”
#51–lynn–I too am refreshed, but my meal has yet to come. Nothing but crumbs here.
Your main dither–you aren’t using your own insights, knowledge, critical thinking about YOURSELF.
Everything gets diverted and placed on others leaving you untouched. NOT empathetic. Its an academic failure, so keen in analysis, so void on application. “…and then the beast in the Jungle lept……”
From a wholly different thread someone complained the exchange was not a debate because the exchange had no winners or losers, it was not scored. But every discussion should be scored and the winner/loser selected by every participant==otherwise what you get is unthinking exchanges, stasis, no change, ritual, meaningless dogma–in short: Religion.
Amusing how the truth has its locus and is always displayed. Don’t try to move “me”–its irrelevant. Try to move yourself by your own values, insight, and truths. While I certainly look like I’m trying to move people, its myself I’m looking for all the time. The crowbar on the side of your head, was my fulcrum, constantly slightly moving myself. My earth is large, well formed, and well anchored==but with a long enough argument, it still moves if I can see the way.
Have you helped? Yes. Its been too long since I’ve had a good conversation. Corrected my long wrong use of Archimedes. I won’t change my use of the metaphor, I just won’t attribute my use to his hyperbole. It moves. Leaves me wanting more and a certain sadness that so many are trapped in their lazy ways even when a light is shown in.
I could go on.
#55–KD==let’s parse:
# 11 bobbo, DOGMA barks said,
“Silly Hoomans. Why aren’t these End of Days shysters fleecing their flocks of Millions prosecuted for Fraud?”
That’s tough to do when no tangible goods or services were promised. /// My direct thoughts were about Palm Readers “For Entertainment Purposes Only” must be communicated or its Fraud and is prosecuted. Palm reading, Bible Reading. I agree Camping probably was not asking for money for some entertainment purposes but I’ll bet anyone that wasn’t afraid of charges of religious bigotry could find “something.” Think of the Stock Market–anything based on a fraud will have an actionable fraud somewhere in the mix if you just look hard enough and want to find it. But this is Um-Merica and we give religion a wide berth==too wide.
Might as well sue the Pope when your prayers for a Ferrari aren’t answered. /// No one prays to the Pope do they? But yes, I agree, I think the Protestant Prosperity Gospels are and out and out Fraud: send me x dollars and you will be rewarded x10. Its fraud on its face and should be prosecuted.
It might make a really good episode of Law and Order, though. /// I need to watch that again. Still as good? Very much my kind of show. Premise, Counter Premise, evaluation, case reveals something else. Just what I always counsel.
The God business is a thriving, tax free asset-rich industry with more power than world leaders and almost zero cost of sales (manufacturing), with Balance Sheets + P&Ls that can make an IRS auditor cry. /// True dat and even when not a simple fraud in religious garb==its still a fraud.
Yea, verily.
#61 bobbo
“I could go on.”
Yes, you usually do.
What cracks me up about the silly argument that atheism is religion is that the propounder doesn’t recognize what he is saying about himself. It has that lynn level of insight about themselves. Reminds me of the joke I think Richard Pryor used to tell: “Mom never got the irony in calling me a Son of a Bitch.”
Is “not believing” a formalized dogmatized set of beliefs? I don’t think so but I’m willing to accept that as a working definition. Now, tell me how else atheism is like any other religion. Son of a Bitch!!!
Yea, verily.
Fred–ha, ha. But I don’t. These webbies are like napkins to a fine duvet. But I do find and appreciate the humor. Thank you.
I could go on.
Damn guys, the world didn’t end, the bible is fantasy, god doesn’t exist, and alfies still an idiot. Get over it and go outside. Bye
#60 Thanks, fred. You can see why simple logic has so often been proclaimed to be the tool of Satan and his servants.
This just in…… I float
#57 You cannot win an argument, or even prove a premise, by definition, especially when you redefine relationships solely because you don’t want to lose the argument!
You are only dangerous to yourself, you own sanity.
As it requires omniscience to state with absolute knowledge there is no god, and as only a god is omniscient, you contradict yourself.
AND you are philosophically without excuse. You don’t deny gravity, or “dark matter” or other entities exist, if their effects can be seen in creation.
Intelligent design of creation is everywhere, in everything God has made, yet you deny Him, and His effects exceed all others.
Suppose God did drop by your house…you would immediately object that He was attempting to deny you free will choice, poisoning the well as it were, with infallible proof of His existence and power.
You would do this because you don’t want to believe in God, on some level you suppose that grants you freedom from His moral law…
But that is merely an illusion, when we die and wake up in the place appointed for us, that lesson will become clear.
#67 Ps: You have reasons for your beliefs, but it stretches reality to say these are logically sound.
#64 Its too late for something to crack you up.
#68 Taxed Enough wrote, “As it requires omniscience to state with absolute knowledge there is no god, and as only a god is omniscient, you contradict yourself.”
In typical Christian fashion, you’re lying again. For the record, let me repeat myself: “I believe that no omnipotent deity exists that wants to play any interactive role in my life, or it would have revealed itself to me and interacted with me.”
Do you know the difference between saying “I believe” and stating with absolute knowledge, as you are claiming that I did?
With every post you make, you bring even more dishonor to the beliefs you claim to hold. Logic is never on your side, and you should quit misrepresenting the views of others in your futile effort to look less foolish by comparison. But mostly, you should just quit.
To repeat, I never stated with absolute knowledge that there is no god, as you claimed I did. Either your reading comprehension keeps sinking to new depths, or you are making yet another attempt to smear an atheist with another lie.
For the record, I also don’t claim to have absolute knowledge of whether you’re being dishonest or just a moron, but I’d be more likely to place a bet on dishonesty.
Who chooses to be dishonest when it is so immediately and easily proven so? Only morons. another demonstration of the false dichotomy of manipulated choices: no reason for the answer not to be: both.
Or in the political realm: a third position–often one of compromise. Yes–only morons and/or liars try to frame the subject as either-or.
Alfie is a liar and a moron. Lets not pack fudge on the issue.
Back from enjoying the day. Might I add.
http://tinyurl.com/447nrsp
Well, shut my mouth. Here is the American Atheist reaction to we all still being here:
http://opposingviews.com/i/atheist-to-rapture-victims-you-re-not-stupid
“Think for yourself, learn.” What kind of religion is THAT?
#74 bobbo, I’m afraid that telling the Rapture Victims to learn from their mistakes is a little like yelling at deaf people. It might almost seem like valid therapy, but for whom?
Maybe he was right. Maybe the bible says that doomsday was when he said it was. It is fiction after all.
Gary–my god, that is depressing. Heh, heh. That diminishing kernel of humanity I think is within us all? You say “no?”
Probably so. From the CageMatch I’ll post this link regarding how intelligent people believe in nonsense. Its a variation on the theme, still apropos.
http://rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/national-affairs/q-a-jonathan-kay-on-our-vast-conspiracist-subculture-20110516
When I was in high school I tried to determine scientifically if God existed. If a being is sufficiently powerful there is nothing that I can do to which it must respond. The creator or creators of this universe might not even care if life exists here. I certainly don’t see the universe as having been optimized for humans.
There are still three options.
There is a creator/creators.
There is no creator/creators.
I can not falsify either of the above.
That leaves I don’t know as option three and the only response I consider to be scientific. On a personal level I have decided to live my life on the assumption that the universe is the product of a plan. You can do what you want.
it’s easy to laugh at these guys but I’m guessing that 90% of us have some strongly held beliefs that are already known to be false or will be determined to be false within this millennia.
#78–do-ill==and what is that plan?