Remember Occam’s Razor? Hard to accept the side that needs to twist and ignore and lie about the physical evidence to create a complicated theory using only the words of pre-science creative writers.
In almost every way, the “Garden of the Gods at Colorado Springs” excursion at the annual meeting of the Geological Society of America (GSA) last year was a normal — even enjoyable — field trip. Standard geologic terminology was used in the accompanying field trip guide, and throughout the trip itself. The trip leaders discussed past events in terms of millions and billions of years. At each stop along the trip, the guides relied on orthodox geologic thinking, including a standard examination of sedimentary features and the nature of contacts between units.
But in reality, the trip was anything but a normal geology field trip. Instead, it was an example of a new strategy from creationists to interject their ideas into mainstream geology: They lead field trips and present posters and talks at scientific meetings. They also avoid overtly stating anything truly contrary to mainstream science.
But when the meeting is over, the creationist participants go home and proudly proclaim that mainstream science has accepted their ideas. It’s a crafty way of giving credence to creationism. But is there anything mainstream scientists, or the conveners of meetings and field trips, can or should do about it?
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#117. You nailed It.
I might also add that humans are by and large a ‘cunning and controlling’ species due to large brains. A belief system is a perfect tool to use for mass control.
If my experience confirmed and collaborated by millions, in every race, nation, and tongue on earth, throughout history, cannot be trusted as evidence, by what law of logic are we to accept your beliefs?
Slick, but not an answer. Just because you may have lack of proof in one area does not automatically prove it in another. Have you ever heard of GroupThink?
And note, not every race/culture has the same beliefs. Look at Asia for starters.
121 — But the second law of thermodynamics demonstrates that without intelligent outside influence, molecules are always in the process of breaking down.
That’s part of your belief system? Really?
Lie, Damned Lies, and Statistics. Yes, it is statistically improbable that the DNA chain came into being on its own. But not impossible.
Flip a googleplex sided coin a googleplex number of times and eventually you get the result you want.
Combine a multitude of elements together and eventually you have something that, when combined with ambient energy (which could come from the sun as this would not be a closed system), is able to sustain itself.
Put enough of those self-staining items together and you have an organism.
The 2nd states that it wouldn’t return any energy to the surroundings. It would consume more than it produces.
Statistical inference. Read up on it.
The real argument is whether the Bible is allegorical or not. Since it must be allegorical as it is definitely not factual, all science can be interpreted in context.
TEAD: “#75 No, he must not reveal Himself to satisfy idle curiosity, that would diminish Him.”
Since he can’t or won’t reveal himself, the Dude must be kinda like the Tooth Fairy: very shy, weak, or non-existent. I’ll assume non-existent.
OTOH, if you want to attribute tornadoes, hurricanes, floods, etc. to him, maybe he’s just sadistic.
Holy good fuck !!! it must the end of the month and Alphie is out of his psychotic meds.
Proof of Alphie’s claim.
A rebuttal of Alphie’s claim.
Alphie riding shotgun.
#125 Leave logic to those who are logical.
Your false dilemma is unsound, figurative language can take many non allegorical forms…and there are somew who argue, if we are precise, ALL language is figurative, even what you call “literal.”
TeaDud: “No, he must not reveal Himself to satisfy idle curiosity, that would diminish Him.”
TeaDud apparently doesn’t know what infinite, or omnipotent means. And I wouldn’t call knowledge that my immortal soul supposedly depends on “idle curiosity.”
Why doesn’t God reveal/prove himself? He doesn’t want to, says TeadDud. Which makes him sort of an asshole really.
TeaDude,
Your statement doesn’t even make sense. You are playing at semantic games. Figurative language is by definition metaphorical and not literal. You argue my point.
At least Linus van Pelt had the honesty and awareness to admit that, no matter how sincere his chosen pumpkin patch was, the Great Pumpkin never actually showed up. Less self-aware people believe that the Great Pumpkin lives in their hearts, and they want it so bad that their imagination readily delivers the experience.
#118
Why leave certainty for uncertainty, especially when the evidence DOES support Creationism precisely as taught in the inerrant Word of God.
A. Why stop believing in Santa Claus? Why trust in science at all when “God did it” is so much easier? TBH, I hope you believe that because you should also stop voting. Let god figure it out. You stay at home.
B. There is no evidence for creationism.
C. Which deity? There are many involved in creation stories.
#120
# 112 You assume things exist now precisely as God intended, but scripture reveals in its opening pages that isn’t the case.
Oh. So your deity is fallible? That rules out both omnipotence and omniscience.
Nothing I said indicated God is fallible, therefore your straw man is ruled out.
Swing and miss. You seem to have trouble seeing that you have contradicted yourself. If things did not exist as God intended, then they are accidents or mistakes; otherwise they would have been intended. If they are either accidents or mistakes, then your deity is not omniscient nor is it omnipotent or it would not have made those mistakes in the first place. Therefore your deity is fallible.
Learn how to use logic before you open your mouth and convince us you have no idea of what you are saying.
God’s omnipotence and omniscience isn’t affected by man’s choices, your straw man therefore kicked your ass.
You are a three year old arguing about Superman. Again, you are completely wrong. If there exists a being in which no piece of knowledge is unknown, then they know how the entire universe will play out from start to finish. They know where every atom will be at every moment in time. Thus, there is no free will. We are instead simply actors in a movie in which the outcome is already known. Every decision we make is known before we make it. Every mistake is known before we make it. There is no free will in that scenario.
You are a new golfer rejoicing at getting the high score.
Creationism leads to CRETINISM !!!
DON’T GO THERE !!!
Lord-uh, HEP us! Kinahgitahaymin? Mah friends, it SEZ right thar in Fred 7:11 that Jerebozamine went down into land of Urpgarf an’ SMOTE them, an’…….
Oh. Excuse me.
Ah yes, the bible. The collection of fairy tales that promote arcane subjects such as selling your wife and children into slavery is a good idea, wiping out a whole town is acceptable if they worship a different god than you, killing 40 children is allowed if they laugh at your baldness, killing all the children, infants, and babies under two years of age is acceptable if you don’t leave a mark on your door, ripping a fetus from a woman’s belly is acceptable if she comes from another tribe, giving a potion to a woman to make her miscarry (abort) is allowed if the husband believes she has been unfaithful, and living in the belly of a fish without succumbing to the gases or corrosive liquids for three whole days.
And the bibble thumpers want us to take them seriously. HAR !!!
The think is, the US military counts on recruiting and sending off, many of these very same kids, to wars overseas. With religiously and politically distorted views of the world. They aren’t told their is no God, everything evolved over millions of years, by the armed services. Probably because so informed soldiers would refuse to die for anything. If they thought there was nothing higher to believe in, than self preservation. So the Military Industrial Complex is just as guilty of exploiting the young, as these “Creationists”. But the latter are recruiting them to go and get killed for some political ideal. They’re just trying to prevent the dehumanizing movement of atheist, from making people think they have no “God given rights”. So bow and serve your rich bastard overloads. Democracy is finished.