Smart money knows about this graph taken from an insiders news letter called Shadowstats. What’s happening above is a clear difference in direction between the official government numbers and reality.
The seasonally-adjusted SGS Alternate Unemployment Rate reflects current unemployment reporting methodology adjusted for SGS-estimated long-term discouraged workers, who were defined out of official existence in 1994. That estimate is added to the BLS estimate of U-6 unemployment, which includes short-term discouraged workers.
For what age is this chart? I bet it’s logrithmic for anyone over 30.
The curve get more vertical as you age.
I guess, I came into this life naked with nothing and I’l probably leave in the same way,
All this graphic info was apparently kept under wraps, during George Bush’s reign. And is only being brought out now, to embarrass Obama. Who isn’t even responsible for most of it. The “hockey stick blade” end of the graph was going upward, before Obama even took office. At least it leveled off, soon after he did. Notice who the graph also trended upward during Bush’s first term. That was all post-911, and his war on Iraq. Why spend the taxpayers’ money on the nation’s infrastructure, when he could waste it continuing his daddy’s last war?
So not all Obama’s fault, this data. But its always perceived as the current president’s fault. Even when Congress has had a hand in it. Notice how the rate lines were coming down, to their lowest levels, during Clinton’s eight years. And he gets no credit for that.
Meh, like our government doesn’t use old methods of calculating numbers. Take the poor, but rather more importantly the poor with kids, they are still using 1960 formulas that doesn’t take into account EVERYTHING else that has changed since then. One example would be, higher school cost, mass variety of entetainment, day care, 2 working parents, etc.
Ok so sue me, that’s more than one thing. But my guess is that most of you already digested this to be the truth of all things in the universe and…dammit, already #22 already. Hell with it, those numbers are correct.
We all agree on the statistics which support our drinking habit.
#8 Pay no attention to Dumbbo. He is in another of his “puke” seizure. That’s what denial does to people.
#22 sheeplesly said: “All this graphic info was apparently kept under wraps, during George Bush’s reign.”
What? Obama has been President since 1995? No wonder it feels like an eternity.
Dumbass!
#24 sargasso_c
My kind of thinking. Someone buy him a cleansing ale.
# 20 bobbo, “I assume Obama is lying.”
That goes without saying. He is, after all, a politician. As for the Supremes timetable, I heard (and can’t document) that since three different federal courts have ruled three different ways (legal/illegal – severable/non-severable) they will likely accept the case in October when they reconvene with hearings around the end of the year and a decision in May or June, so it should be decided by election time.
I expect the SCOTUS will also say, no way Jose. Then it’s back to the drawing board and I don’;t think a Repub House will pass something suitable. I have this basic contradiction in me: I favor a single payer system but I want a smaller Fed Gov. Hard to reconcile. And there is the additional constitutional question, if they “nationalize” health insurance, have they illegally put insurance providers out of business? I’m glad I’m getting on in years and won’t have to see how this all works out. I’m only 62 but I doubt I’ll see how it ends… . It is a millstone around his neck. He might as well make the best of it.
Yep, one court says parts of Obama care are Unconstitutional and another court says same parts are ok. Sounds like Sup Ct case right during the election. Fair enough. Based on what I have read, I’d say those parts of Obama care ARE Uncostitutional. Can’t force someone to engage in commerce and then call the rules making as subject to the commerce clause. Same effect could have/should have/will be achieved the same way MediCare is: general taxation.
“For a law professor, Obama seems willfully ignorant on too many important issues.” You know, I wonder about his “professor” status. I taught two semesters of cardiac physiology to med students. Doesn’t mean I’m a professor. I was a lecturer, just like O’Bama whop also taught only part time. He has granted himself the title of prof. I understand he was offered a tenure track position but turned it down to run for office.
# 7 Olo = “Teabaggers are less popular than Muslims and atheists.”
Did you actually read the article or stop at the headline? A very unusual study and scientifically invalid on several levels. Basically, they did the survey BEFORE the Tea Party was extant then went back tot he respondents six years later to get additional opinions! The population studied will undergo changes in 5 or 6 years. People die, get married, have children, lose jobs, finish education, etc. You simply can not take a selection of people and then, half a decade later, use the “same” group as a prequalified population doe another set of questions. You could do that to follow opinions but not to elicit new data.
#28 – on top of that, I don’t think I’ve seen a “poll” in the last twenty years that couldn’t easily have been swayed either by the venue chosen for asking (I’m sure you would get radically different results for a poll on HuffPo than one taken by hand in Topeka, KS), or by some agenda-based group crowd-bombing it (as with most internet-based polls), or by simply not actually pursuing the random, 2% population distribution that statistics requires to have any relevance at all.
Polls (ESPECIALLY internet polls) are a new marketing industry anymore, and not a tool for actually measuring anything.
In # 21 Never will work again said: A) The curve get more vertical as you age. and: B) I guess, I came into this life naked with nothing and I’l probably leave in the same way.
A) You want to see the curve get really steep?
Try being disabled.
Its like I have gimp cooties, (though my money’s still plenty good.)
B) We all do. They’s the only good thing about life, even the bastards con’t live for ever.
You guys and the Obama comments are so funny. As if the pres-o-dent has any real power. As if the pres-o-dent isn’t a distraction sideshow for the real powers that pull the strings. Different names every 4-8 years, same game. It’s just another version of Dancing With The Stars or Jersey Shore. Bread and Circuses.
Hey Animby, check this out too!
“Judge rules Obama transparency lacking”
“President Obama had promised that his administration was committed “to be the most open and transparent ever.” But an Associated Press study found that the Obama administration is ducking FOIA requests at a greater rate than past administrations even though the number of requests is down.
The Obama administration has further circumvented their transparency promise by meeting lobbyists near, but not in the White House, thus avoiding the Secret Service logs entirely.”
http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/judge-rules-obama-transparency-lacking
What a lying POS we’ve got in office!
But we were told things would get better if Obama’s stimulus passed!
A recession is when your neighbor loses his job, a depression is when you lose yours, a recovery is when Obama loses his job.
What we need is a lot more doing by Government and a lot less planning! That’s all Obama talks about is planning. I had high hopes for Obama even though I never would have voted for him. I just can’t vote for a bunch of promises. I never thought he was capable of much with his inexperience with Washington. Its not like he had been a Senator that long.
I realize the President is not the only problem in Washington. Congress has a lot to do with the State of our Country. But I have not seen Obama step up and even be able to handle his own party let alone the Republican’s.
Animby…no poll makes any sense unless it matches existing beliefs. This one is at least interesting.
But oddly, or not, it accurately describes the tea-party types I know.
#27, no the Administration doesn’t want the Supreme Court overturning his policy, even if it could help him get reelected. The plan is to delay their appeal for a full 3 months, then ask the full 11th circuit to hear the case, delaying things even further. Then by the time the Supreme Court hears the case, they hope to have things so entrenched that the Court will find an excuse not to throw things out. This is how Miranda rulings stayed, even though there were five justices on record against it.
Good article on the obvious : The Teaparty as responsible for the collapse of the fragile recovery.
http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2011/08/18/how-washington-is-destroying-the-economy/?hpt=hp_t1
#27–Animby==you post as if clinically depressed. 62yo and don’t think you’ll see what happens to Obamacare? I’ll take that bet.
But more importantly, going to your “character” you post as I think too many otherwise thinking so called conservative voters:
“I favor a single payer system but I want a smaller Fed Gov. Hard to reconcile. /// Heh, heh. Anyone older than 18 and not a liebertard should have resolved this as easy as pie. Which is more important/relevant/impactful/common sense and then you make your decision AND THEN YOU ACCEPT THE CONSEQUENCES. Silly to dither otherwise as so many do. Its really WORSE than that though. As any thoughtful caring humanitarian you KNOW HEALTHCARE is a basic human right to be provided whenever possible. Other so called balancing concerns are mostly malignant. ANIMBY: WAKE UP. You are walking/talking/thinking DOGMA. hahahahah. Time to get REAL with yourself. Tell me doctor—-what is your higher value??? After 62 years on earth, what is your accumulated wisdom?
You really are a silly rabbit: the function of government is to do for individuals what they legitimately want and cannot do for themselves. Legitimate is not a weasel word unless you think allowing people to suffer from medical conditions because of lack of money is an appropriate and good outcome. Is that what you think Animby? Liebertards: is that what you think? If not, then the only remaining question is how to fund/structure that provision of care. WHAT IS THIS NONSENSE, this NONSENSE, about wanting small government? Long term effect of spirochetes is the only answer. WAKE UP Animby. Recognize, act, conclude on the social/human equity you are completely aware of that is within you. The fact that it makes for a better society, one more capable of competing economically on the world stage is actually a secondary concern. Imagine that.
And there is the additional constitutional question, if they “nationalize” health insurance, have they illegally put insurance providers out of business? //// Yea, so what? It would be illegal if a law is passed doing so. Lots of “economic activities” are illegal or not viable because of government action. How private medicine would still be around to interact with the government system is a wide open question with the world showing very different approaches. They should be analyzed for what the best system for our society might be. Try it. Modify as experience shows. No dogma. Imagine that.
Yes Animnby. Just a little bit more imagination is all you need. Less dogma. Interesting how those notions are always in counterpose.
Ha, ha. Poor smart, old Animby. Still got the basics to resolve.
VOTE ALL “NO NEW TAXES” POLITICIANS OUT OF OFFICE. Right now, that would include Obama by his performance. What do we care of words when action takes the day?
Animby: Why did yo have to answer to the clinically challenged guy suffering seizures? Now we all have to put up with those rants.
#37 Congratulations. You found your scape goat. Now I’m sure you can sleep better at night. Sheeple!
#39–PedoBreath==it is interesting that my post while addressed to Animnby is really for any liebertard/tea partier/small government/no new taxes advocate. But then I note that is only true for those self identified such group memebers who do hold the conflicting thought that maybe people shouldn’t go wanting for healthcare, food, and a list as long as your basic humanity.
How about it Pedro–how much should your fellow man suffer because you think you are advantaged by paying lower taxes?
Got a mind beyond the chant?
Silly Hoomans.