Finally, someone tells us the real reason why voting machines are not audited. It’s about time someone testified about this. That said, this guy has a few dubious answers.
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Not to detract from it, but this video is not new, it’s from 2004.
More info, transcript:
http://forum-soxprospects.com/topic/2175/Election-Hacking-Clinton-Curtis-Testimony-Ohio-2004
Maybe liberals shouldn’t have pushed so hard for electronic voting machines. Lose one election with punch card ballots, and you go gaga for the latest and greatest unproven method.
Here’s his Wikipedia page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clint_Curtis
He (a former Republican) ended up running for office in 2006 and 2010 after all that (as a Democratic candidate in FL and CA).
Here’s a follow up video.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=K7tjnuG-l6g
#22 MikeN
Its not the electronics, its the accountability.
We need machines that aren’t patented black boxes that can be hacked with a thumbdrive and made by a company whose president stated publicly that he’d do anything he could to get W elected.
An open system with a public review of the code would be a good start. We don’t control our elections as long as Corporations hide behind IP law.
I remain forever skeptical of the veeracity of our voting systems. If they can be cheated, they will be.
Come on now! These e-voting systems can be made quite foolproof. First, you need a triple-redundant systems from three different sources:
one is locally chosen (county/state), 2nd is from any of the participating party chosen system thru random pick (not necessary GOP/Dem always), and 3rd one is from a non-profit org that may be federally-funded to choose and operate its own system (which may be different from time to time). All must be from different manufacturers and connected to the same input streams.
There can’t be any statistically significant difference for results to be valid! Period! You don’t need to examine source code.
If there is, replay the input stream and you can pinpoint which one is flaky.
Coupled with pre-voting secure installation process and post-voting polling, cheating would be extremely difficult if not impossible.
Wild ideas? I’d say it’s workable.
@Cat2
And the cost of such a system…
Our local township was forced to buy a $5000 electronic voting machine. It has been a pain to keep operating. We typically have about 800-1000 voters in a presidential election and less than 500 for medterm and local elections.
The machine is used for less than 50% of the voting. Most people instinctively chose the paper ballot, not trusting the machine.
Paper and pencils are CHEAP! I say stick with what works.
Foolish people. Here you are moaning about election machIne fraud which is nothing compared to allowing UNLIMITED money poured to campaigns – without accountability.
It is astonishing the apathy to that and the outrage at this silly shit. Incredible.
@two to the head:
What’s the price for our democracy?
I’d say it’s still cheap. I don’t know why anyone think it’s expensive: cheap hardware, simple counting software …
The old system relies too much on integrity of the people running the show behind the counter! When and where that has been the case, it’s fine. But we know better now. The old system is too prone for foul play (I’d bet that has been much more common in the past – not the exception) and painfully slow.
Not everything from the past is worth preserving, my friend … unless you’re with the status quo.
i know a guy from a maker of voting machines, he said these things are so easy to break into it is ridiculous… and that they were made that way intentionally.
>We need machines
There you go again. Somehow they managed to have elections for hundreds if not thousands of years without them.
Liberals keep trying to push new fangled systems, including vote-by-mail and vote-by-internet.
So does this post mean that liberals are already planning for an Obama loss, and they need an excuse as to why?
Dallas, If the Dems didn’t rig every election in Chicago even when they were going to win the cemeteries would have to stop voting and that would be against a tradition going back over 100 years besides voter fraud is the entire reason for electronic voting: To make it easier to control the outcome of elections.
When was this video recorded?
#31 MikeN
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300 million people are going to vote like this?
Shit, I lost my place.
#31 MikeN
Every system is a machine, whether you realize it or not. And you pretend like no one ever cheated before “machines”
#8 You couldn’t be more right. I found out my veteran Brother-in-law is a Tea Party loyalist, and my Mother-in-Law Retired on SS and Medicare is also a Tea Party favorite.
WTF !
This doesn’t happen in America. Maybe Ohio, but not America.
Ah heck let’s just do it like they do at American Idol. Just let everyone vote as many times as they want until the 12 PM deadline… come on what’s wrong with that ????
Go Fox !!!!!
Sorry, but I just don’t believe a guy that laughs at his own testimony.
Yes, voting machines could be hacked. Yes, there should be a paper trail. Yet none of that compares with the Republican led voter fraud of dis-entitling voters.