In this chamber, 63 CERN scientists from 17 European and American institutes have done what global warming doomsayers said could never be done — demonstrate that cosmic rays promote the formation of molecules that in Earth’s atmosphere can grow and seed clouds, the cloudier and thus cooler it will be. Because the sun’s magnetic field controls how many cosmic rays reach Earth’s atmosphere (the stronger the sun’s magnetic field, the more it shields Earth from incoming cosmic rays from space), the sun determines the temperature on Earth.
The hypothesis that cosmic rays and the sun hold the key to the global warming debate has been Enemy No. 1 to the global warming establishment ever since it was first proposed by two scientists from the Danish Space Research Institute, at a 1996 scientific conference in the U.K. Within one day, the chairman of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, Bert Bolin, denounced the theory, saying, “I find the move from this pair scientifically extremely naive and irresponsible.”
From a related post on Cage Match from Misanthropic Scott:
Seems the earth is much more sensitive to temperture changes than I thought. Just 2-3 degree on average increase will kill species off at extinction rates regardless of what happens to ice melting or ocean rise.
Who can believe that? I mean 70 degree water doesn’t feel any warmer than 75 degree water. My human common experience tells me everything scientific experts have studied is wrong. Wrong, because you know, I can’t feel the difference with my finger.
http://timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/article2726751.ece
Silly Hoomans.
#99 Still has nothing to do with the subject. Although I have to say that the change they made to the picture kinda links polluted water with Global Warming (r). Pure Demagogue crap
But I suggest you and Dullass get a room. Stop getting cozy in here you two.
#102 Pedrito, take note of Bobbo’s ability to see forests from the trees. Like me, he’s wise.
You on the other hand are imported sheeple and should limit discussions to things like goat herding or woman’s undergarments.
Kudos to you Bobbo. I thought you would modify your statemenf to avoid your rookie AGW mistake of making a testable prediction, instead you doubled down and repeated it! So the planet is past a tipping point and is doomed. Then what is the point of doing any of the policies you think are needed? Green energy? If it is past a tipping point, then there will still be unstoppable flooding and meters if not 10s of meters of sea level rise, and we should just expand the Statue of Liberty’s torch.
Bobbo, again where does tens of meters of sea level rise come from? I have given you a link to an article the debate about possible southern polar continent bounding melt releasing a surge in inlaid glacier movement.
Are you a Hansen sucker?
Note that this is not debate. We are not counterpointing, just continually referring each other to sources.
You do realize that anti AGW do not argue that warming isn’t occurring PAST.
See those regional temp graphs of Europe and north America from Prof Courtillot. We are in for steep temperatue declines if you fit these with the sun graphs.
#105, Bobbo has already bee given a link from NASA saying sea level is down recently, but he prefers Wikipedia.
The only things we have learned in this thread are
Bobbo is an idiot.
That and
No, just that.
Global warming is irrelevant.
Too bad we are at the end of this thread, attention spans being what they are. Lets address these horrible character smears:
#104–Mickey==Ha, ha. Well done. That little bit of humor that must keep you sane when reality gets you down? So even keeled you are. Still the puzzle.
The Tipping Point. I said many Climate Scientist HAVE GIVEN UP===because we are past the tipping point to saving our civilization absent heroic action of some sort. Now, some are turning their research to how to perform a heroic effort. did you see that 6 part TV show on possible heroic efforts? Have boats in the ocean spraying water into the air, have airplanes inject sulfur dioxide into the upper atmospher, cover the poles with aliminum foil, shoot any Puke, set Nukes off in the Sahara Desert to put dust in the air? That last one may be my own idea.
Things can get even worse as the co2 level keeps going up. There is the tipping point we are past now causing the displacement of 40% of the worlds population. Then with further co2 there is another tipping point that will cause the displacement of 60% of the worlds population.
See how that works Mickey: things can always be better or worse. Tipping points all over the place. Figures you won’t even admit the presence of one. What kind of magical non-think world do you think you inhabit? Good joke there about being past the tipping point of stupidity. I’ll work on it for you since you evidence the inability to think for yourself.
#105–cgp==ocean sea level rise comes from increased amounts of water from ice melt and from volume increase due to thermal expansion. Both direct results from the earth getting warmer.
Its true that we will never prove that human burning of carbon is causing this event right now. Some, as you appear to be doing even reject the notion the earth is getting warmer. Thats what nonscience think does to people.
I did not go past 2 minutes with your Doctor Link. In that time he presented a highly variable graph and wanted to argue it could be interpreted against the way the consensus of qualified climate scientist ((the IPCC report)) has done. I don’t need to spend my time and attention with such idiocy. I’d rather do that on this somewhat interactive blog.
Like Mickey with his stupid the ocean is going down argument. I do recall now the explanation was that more heating has caused more rain in areas that previously didn’t get it so some water is being soaked up by the earth with the trend line up to continue.
Its a STOOGES ARGUMENT to take a zigzagging graph and every time it goes down to say its a reversal when the chart has been going up and down for 120 years BUT TRENDING UP.
Silly arguments.
All silly arguments. NONE OF US KNOW WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. You fools can take your comfort from “individual” nay sayers. I take mine from the consensus of science.
Science or Devo?
So you say we passed a tipping point 20 years ago, and even now climate scientists aren’t predicting damage for many more decades. Not much of a tipping point. I was really trying to help you there. I think you have the tipping point all wrong.
Awwwwhhh Mickey. Are there two MikeN’s? Seems to me a few months ago you posted on Climate Change with some real expertise. You impressed me. Now, you are posting without expertise or even common sense, or an understanding of the English language.
What gives?
You’ve already been told twice, now three times, its about LAG TIME.
The Earth is BIG, BIG, BIG Mickey. Not so big that hoomans who are MANY, MANY, MANY can’t destroy it, but big enough so that any change takes time to express itself.
When you reveal yourself so inadequate on the subject, why do you even take a position? What made you decide to be anti cause and effect? Do you just accept without review whatever Limbaugh spouts?
The puzzle may be showing more of itself now. Maybe its not a puzzle. Just a picture with too many missing pieces.
I do wish you the best Mickey.
The cosmic rays we receive has been pretty consistent, except for the occasional bursts.
Its funny how persistent we are about denying our effects on the environment. The dust bowl was created by us, the buffalo near-extinction was due to us
#103 You don’t see trees sheeple, you see pasture.
Most hilarious post ever. Not only you keep talking about yourself in the third person, but your self delusion gets you as far as dare calling yourself… what was it? Oh yes, wise.
Fight Global Warming (r) ™ , clean your water.
Hahahahahahaha. Sheeple!
#106 We also learned that #36 was right. Not that I ever doubted his affirmation.
Dvorak,
Causes or contributes? Correlation is not causality.
Man-made global warming is still a theory. I don’t think anyone has established causality yet with respect to global warming.
If you were being sarcastic, my apologies. I haven’t had my morning coffee yet.
Hey Guyver–you caught your mistake in 4 minutes without coffee. Well done sir!
We should all be so reflective.
I can’t see myself in the mirror until I have coffee.
By the way, the main post is being overhyped. The study makes no such conclusion that the sun is causing global warming. There is such a theory, and this experiment was made to test one part of the theory, and the experiment was successful. All that means is the theory is still possible, as they were able to confirm one part, rather than disprove it.
Bobbo, I’ll help you out here. I don’t think you can find a single scientist who says 350 ppm is a tipping point, for the reasons I said: one simply looks foolish in saying so. You are combining two different things that scientists are saying.
Gee Whiz Mickey, your stupidity is reaching Alfie levels. You couldn’t even google tipping point and educate yourself?
since you obviously can’t read, I found a video for you. Theres over a million hits for that on Google.
Google: your invitation to learn something when learning is the indicated necessity. give it a try sometime.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Citd9RH7kbU
Mike–what’s happened to you?