1. cgp says:

    This is another example of those who say things are constant
    by default. Of course we have the conservation laws of nature, but
    this marvelous twentieth century thinking tool invention has been abused.

    Assumed consistency can consistently make an ass out of u and me
    just as the wacky wobbly earth weirdos.

  2. thermal expansion says:

    From what I know of physics, if you take a mass and heat it up it will expand. The inner core of our planet seems to be pretty damn hot and has provided lots of heat to this planet for a long time.

    This heating would also tend to melt a lot of ice from polar ice caps as this happened over time, creating more liquid water to form oceans.

    It’s also possible that a lot of our land mass was there but entirely covered with water, hence the huge limestone deposits from sea creatures in the middle of the mid-west. Picturing our maintain ranges as the only thing above water in the early days.

    Possible that this has some credibility. Also possible that it’s crap also. This is what science is for. Hypothesis and test.

  3. cgp says:

    On the other hand what pushes all those non-horizontal geological structures such as angled rock strata and mountains?

    This expanding surface at the mid-ocean looks like it would not do any forcing of land masses together.

  4. cgp says:

    On the other other hand what causes plates to move?
    Why is the pacific plate moving towards the asian?

  5. cgp says:

    thermal expansion no. The core is already hot.
    There is no localised increasing of temperature.

  6. cgp says:

    I suppose the dope factor was this increase in volume not shown in the
    video.

    For con jobs there is always the ‘factor’, that when missed indicates you got a dope hooked.

  7. bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo? says:

    cgp–you are raving. Fission ain’t got nothing to do with it. Sounds like you are remembering facts about the sun, not the earth.

    I’m no scientist, just an active reader and I got it exactly right. Good thing I’m double jointed too so I can clap myself on the back and give myself an atta boy.

    Distrusting wiki, I give you:

    http://scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=why-is-the-earths-core-so

    The fun fact is that all we casual arm chair theorists can poo-pooh the expanding earth hypothesis and get immediate support from qualified scientific community. Then we make fun of the oafs who continue to believe.

    But then look at really the same issue of Global Warming. The qualified scientists are all convinced. I’m willing in my ignorance to say maybe a hair less convinced than the expanding earth group?==but still convinced.

    You deniers all look about the same to me.

    Silly Hoomans.

  8. cgp says:

    eh which it is what I worked through. It is called logical thinking out loud.
    Not name calling, not just statements of derision. pros and cons, pros and cons baby.

  9. deowll says:

    There are major subduction zones and rifting zones very little of which show in the part of the earth this man decided was the world.

    The guy is a computer genius.

  10. bobbo, there's been a pattern established to these things says:

    cgp==not to argue, but sorry–your post does not demonstrate any “logic” at all and is merely the statement of erroneous facts and a bunch of irrelevant questions.

    You brought the same power to our discussion of AGW.

    What DO you know anything about?

  11. Stoned says:

    Okay it’s bunk, but still, it made me read a lot about the issue, and that was fun. I’ll go to sleep less stupid tonight.

  12. cgp says:

    booboo, well then counterpointer each and every mistake.

  13. Yankinwaoz says:

    There is NO subduction? Really? Tell that to everyone who lives on the ring of fire. Japan and Indonesia. What powers those volcanos and earthquakes?

  14. Gasbag says:

    So the Earth is one big balloon? Come on :(

  15. Benjamin says:

    I am going to go with the theory that the Earth is not expanding, or at least not expanding as fast or in the same way that the theorist states it is. We all know that the Earth gains mass from meteors crashing into the earth, but that is not enough mass to expand the size of the Earth and it certainly wouldn’t cause the Earth to expand from the inside out. This is a crackpot theory.

    Posters are saying this theory has something to do with creationism. It does not. The theorist used the words “evolved” and “hundreds of millions of years.” Therefore he is not a creationist.

  16. Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

    No need to worry about rising oceans…Either gravity is decreasing, allowing the planet to expand, or hell is filling up with progressives, causing bloat.

  17. Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

    If the same applies to the universe, if the visible collapsed into a ball, dark matter = oceans…then the bubble of our existence is being inflated…

    Hmmm.

  18. bobbo, there's been a pattern established to these things says:

    #53–cgp==evidently you accept you asked a bunch of irrelevant questions but you want it repeated that you suggested the Earth does expand BECAUSE of the fission going on at the core of the Earth. I gave you a link to the cause of the Earth’s inner heat and its mostly radioactive decay NOT fission. Now you challenge me to “counterpoint each and every mistake.”

    Son–what you’ve already been told is sufficient. You should be admitting your error and enter into a phase of quiet reflection. Education regardless of its source is not your driving value.

    But its so easy to do, let’s see what we have:

    # 40 cgp said, on September 12th, 2011 at 1:51 pm

    I like it./// Hopeful start. I was expecting an insightful comment on the scientific/logical underpinnings of the theory that were laughably or cleverly distorted.

    Just as wacky as cosmic rays influencing weather. //// Oops–cosmic rays do influence weather. Nothing wacky about it. You appear to be taking the video in hook, line, and sinker. Is this a set up for a double switchback?

    Well actually it is sun magnetic weather influencing cosmic rays. /// –Yes. Poorly constructed follow on as the issue is the Earths weather which as you construct is still wacky.

    Still wacky by the IPCC. /// As you have just erroneously confirmed.

    What could be the volume increaser here? /// Good, back to potentially good stuff.

    Did you not know that the earths interior is a massive fission reactor? /// Oh–a BIG swing and a miss. I know that it is not. You have moved from being lazy, ambiguous, and flippant to just a high school drop out high on comic books.

    That is the source of geological heat. /// And there you put the nail into your coffin. Sad. Not that hard to do. We hear about the fusion process inside stars, including our sun, all the time. Don’t hear all that often about our own Earth’s source of heat. And magma flowing out of the earth and pictures of the molten core do “look like” pictures of the sun. I can see the road to confusion here. Comic book science will do that to you. You have to do more than look at the pictures.

    And guess what, fission increases molecule count!!!!! /// Yes, E = mc2. Energy turning into Mass. But what do you think would happen with all those Atom Bombs going off at the core of the Earth? Earthquakes you say??? Ha, ha===yes indeedie.

    xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    Logic: Reasoning conducted or assessed according to strict principles of validity. The easiest example being the “if-then” formulation of reasoning by assumption and deduction. You show none of this.

    As stated: just the rendition of erroneous objective statements all, as in Each One except for fission results in the formation of particles which would be relevant only if fusion was taking place, and its not.

    No logic. No accurate facts.

    and your best “considered” response is?

  19. Uncle Patso says:

    I am constantly impressed by the amazing creativity shown by paranoid schizophrenics.

  20. cgp says:

    ohh bobbo now I see why you shouldn’t counterpoint.
    Go back to being dogmatic.

    fission splits atoms, you thus get two thingys separated in space ie a doubling in volume (recall the nucleus is an orange on a football field). But the fissiles are only concentrated in 0.0000001 kg per kg of mantle, so it has no volumatic increase.

    I again point out the ‘dope factor’, the trick pulled as those ocean surfaces were said to come from expanding volume of sphere., which requires on order of a doubling in volume. In the video the size increase of the earth looked like about 5 per cent.



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