The FBI is teaching its counterterrorism agents that “main stream” [sic] American Muslims are likely to be terrorist sympathizers; that the Prophet Mohammed was a “cult leader”; and that the Islamic practice of giving charity is no more than a “funding mechanism for combat.”
At the Bureau’s training ground in Quantico, Virginia, agents are shown a chart contending that the more “devout” a Muslim, the more likely he is to be “violent.” Those destructive tendencies cannot be reversed, an FBI instructional presentation adds: “Any war against non-believers is justified” under Muslim law; a “moderating process cannot happen if the Koran continues to be regarded as the unalterable word of Allah.”
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The FBI isn’t just treading on thin legal ice by portraying ordinary, observant Americans as terrorists-in-waiting, former counterterrorism agents say. It’s also playing into al-Qaida’s hands.Focusing on the religious behavior of American citizens instead of proven indicators of criminal activity like stockpiling guns or using shady financing makes it more likely that the FBI will miss the real warning signs of terrorism. And depicting Islam as inseparable from political violence is exactly the narrative al-Qaida spins — as is the related idea that America and Islam are necessarily in conflict. That’s why FBI whistleblowers provided Danger Room with these materials.
I never did hear of more than a single muslim cleric on the East Coast call on his fellow muslims to point out the muslim militants amongst themselves to the federal govenment in the wake of 9/11. Other than that one guy, the universal refrain by muslims in America was, “We’re not like Them.” (I literally heard that repeated by muslisms on TV and in print ad nauseum.) Never an actual Word of Condemnation for the deaths and destruction such as the WTC bombing caused by the muslims terrorists from those same “moderate”/”mainstream” muslims, though. And let’s not forget the spontaneous street celebrations across the muslim near east upon hearing that a jet liner had plowed into the first WTC tower.
The Koran explicitly says that muslims are to put other muslims before non-muslims in all things, and furthermore that it is okay to Lie to non-muslims as long as you can say it advances the Faith or muslims. A heaping crapload of the Koran is focused on Holy War (jihad), the waging of it, the perks of being a holy warrior (such as raping otherwise untouchable unmarried young women), as well as support for jihad by non-warriors (money, food, goods, lodgings, etc).
And, yes, it has in fact been proven that the so called “charitable giving” under islamic law goes in a large part to fund jihad militias such as in Chechnya if not outright terrorist cells. In middle eastern mosques, they explicitly state that the money is going to holy warriors/”freedom fighters” when collecting the money at services. After all, such funding of jiahd is expressly spelled out in the Koran as part of being a Good Muslism.
I told you there was an official loon chart!!!!!
In general, I agree the Muslins (Teabagger speak) are in their own loon category but the notion that the Christian Taliban poses little threat is wrong.
I never did hear of more than a single catholic priest in Boston call on his fellow Catholics to point out the IRA supporters amongst themselves to the British government in the wake of the London bombing.
I never did hear of more than a single Sikh guru in Vancouver call on his fellow Sikhs to point out the supporters amongst themselves to the Canadian government in the wake of the Air India bombing.
The difference is that these were done by people in their own communities that they knew – not by people from the other side of the world that happened to be the same religion.
That’s why catholics can’t be allowed to marry the king of England – while they regard the instructions of a foreign head of state to be the infallible word of god they can’t be trusted in any official position
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ib9rofXQl6w
nobody==don’t limit yourself to Catholics. All religious types believe their souls are at risk if they don’t do what some religious leaders/teachings say they should do. These imperatives may or may not be consistent with the law they swear to uphold.
The only saving grace to all this crap is that people are inherently weak and lie and ultimately do what is perceived in their own short term interest and assume everyone will think well of them because you know–they have a high opinion of themselves, so why shouldn’t everyone else.
Yes, most people most of the time lie about who they are: to themselves, to god, to the electorate. Hypocrits most of the time about most things.
“I vow to love you forever!” /// Changed my mind: fell out of love. Society/law recognizes this and provides for no-fault/((ie–we didn’t believe you the first time to begin with)) divorce laws. Same reason we let people lie under oath. We all know in our heart of hearts that we all lie all the time about everything. Just like people claiming atheists kill in the name of atheism just like the religious kill in the name of religion.
Its like bowling, or not.
The FBI is teaching its counterterrorism agents that “main stream” [sic] American Christians are likely to be terrorist (tparty) sympathizers; that the Prophet Jesus was a “cult leader”; and that the Christian practice of giving charity(campaign contribution)is no more than a “funding mechanism for combat.”
At the Bureau’s training ground in Quantico, Virginia, agents are shown a chart contending that the more “devout” a Christian (tparty member), the more likely he is to be “violent.” Those destructive tendencies cannot be reversed, an FBI instructional presentation adds: “Any war against non-believers is justified” under Christian law; a “moderating process cannot happen if the Bible continues to be regarded as the unalterable word of God.
Neat, pretty much describes any one of the GOP presidential candidates at a debate.
This is all irrelevant. Any religion that doesn’t promote more SUVs and 4x4s on the road, bigger houses and an increase to urban sprawl is a bad religion and against humanity. Christian, Muslim, GlobalWarming, it doesn’t matter. They’re all irrelevant. Until the lack of urban sprawl problem is solved, the rest is secondary and of minor importance.
You can download a good PDF translation of the Koran approved by Muslim sources.
Jesus said turn the other cheek.
Mohammad was not Jesus. It is written in the unchanging word of God that a good Muslim will not tolerate those deemed to oppose the will of Allah. How to treat non believers is explained. Read it for yourself.
#29–do-ill==a legitimate question to which there are several good answers: compare and contrast the worst parts of the Koran, some of which you have all ready referenced, to the worst parts of the Bible, you know==those parts we all ignore.
Whats the difference?
Interesting link, birddog.
But you can find plenty of stuff in the OT that are bloody and terrifying.
This talk explains the real reason that “we” can’t get along with Islam:
http://youtu.be/f6iFFs0l3fs
Think about it, who invaded whom first?
Bobbo,
>> Why don’t you recognize none of the Big Three, or even Pol Pot for Number 5, were bowlers. None of them enjoyed bowling.
When my ancestors were killed and jailed by the Stalinists, we were told it was because society needed to be purged of religion. The sport of bowling was never mentioned.
The FBI needs to meet more Muslims.
For starters, only a teeny fraction of them are violent radicals. Thousands among a billion.
I have known and befriended lots of devout Muslims. I’ve shared homes with them. Worked with them. Hired them, etc.
In the Middle East, barbers still use straight razors and every month, for years, I allowed a Muslim guy to put a straight razor right up against my carotid artery. If all Muslims felt it was their religious duty to kill infidels, wouldn’t one have done me in?
Funny…
Yesterday on the BBC I was reading a story about how the people of Niger feel about being the unwitting hosts of the Pro-Kadaffhi. One statement the really struck me was a quote from a cab driver.
“… We prefer they not be here. But they are muslims like us. So we have to take them in.”
I’ve seen that logic before. No matter what crime a muslim commits, they feel that all other muslims have to give them protection and shelter. That is insane.
#32–GregAllen==I believe what you say==or even if its not true, its an excellent counter. You are a smart guy………
What do you say to the rejoinder that atheists were killed too?
What do you say to the rejoinder that anyone who did not swear allegiance to the Communist Party was killed?
What do you say to the rejoinder that the “Red Faction” of the Communist Party who were atheists were killing and being killed by the “White Faction” of the Communist Party who were atheists? And by atheists, I mean they didn’t go bowling on Friday Nights because nothing took priority over attending Communist Party Meetings.
When you say your relatives were killed in order to Purge Russia of religious folk, while true, it is only a surface reality. Below that truth is a much more corrupt truth. They will killed for political purity purposes and any excuse would do. If you were caught praying, that was a good enough reason and that is what you were told. If you were caught bowling, that was a good enough reason and that is what you were told.
Don’t like bowling? OK. How about going to the Opera or Reading a book? If you were caught doing those things, good enough reasons to kill you and that is what you were told.
True, and yet not true at the very same time.
Interesting? Or not? And that tells another wholly different truth.
Yea, verily.
#34
That’s the trouble with muslims they are blood thirsty savages that barbarically punish crimes by their own people while covering up anything done by them.
Especially because they stole it form some Jewish carpenter that said something about “what you do to the least of my children…”
#33–GregAllen==you sure are one dumb motherf**ker!
You say: “If all Muslims felt it was their religious duty to kill infidels, wouldn’t one have done me in?” //// Well of course and using the POWER of cgp’s deductive LOGIC, as your throat was not cut, then all Muslims do not feel it was their religious duty to kill you. This assumes they had opportunity and knew you were an infidel which I will assume. but isn’t the counter, and the subject of this thread, that “too many” Muslims would be quite happy to cut your throat? What do your life experiences tell us about THAT?
All religions/thoughts/ideologies have their lazy adherents. Those that go along for their convenience rather than live the faith they profess. Yes, as I posted, most people regardless of their attestations really only care about themselves. “Homo Hubris” we might say. The sin of pride. Imagine being proud of thinking for yourself Greg Allen?? Its a sin. Are you saved???
Ha, ha. But more importantly—the weight of any group is going to be controlled, lead, moved by the active cohort who “really” believes. What is the core of the totally committed Muslims? A religion of peace or of one world religion? What gets their camel running?
And regardless of the truth, how much risk of being wrong am I willing to take? Yes, I’ll commit that sin and think for myself.
Yea,verily.
bobbo,
Are you seriously claiming that the communists didn’t have state atheism as a specific goal? And they were brutally eliminationist about it?
Religion wasn’t just one item on a random list.
I have no general problem with atheists, BTW.
It’s the atheist supremacists that give me the creeps. Especially the ones who claim that society would be much better without people like me in it.
Surely, you can understand that.
bobbo in #37,
I couldn’t quite follow your logic in #37 but you seem really blinded by your anti-religious bigotry.
Yes, _too_ many Muslims are dangerous … in the same way that too many people are dangerous.
But does Islam really make them categorically more deadly than other faiths or atheists?
My personal experience say “no.” (and thus my personal story)
If you do a rough body count, it also say “no.”
I’ve tried, BTW, it’s not easy but when you add up WWI, WWII, Stalinist purges, Pol Pot, etc, it is almost impossible to imagine that collective number of deaths being beat by the Muslims. Not that Muslims are innocent of mass killing… there was the Armenian genocide, India’s Partition, etc.
I’m just not sure on what factual basis one can claim that Muslims are more violent than all other people groups.
Greg–sorry I can’t copy and paste. A glitch in my current system.
I would like to parse what you honestly provide:
Yes, the commies had State Atheism as their goal but not to establish atheism but rather to establish the State. Nothing else was to be superior to the State. That necessitates atheism as the absence of all other competing theories, not the establishment of no other theory as a religion. Simple linguistics the religious types like to confuse. Like to confuse so much I don’t think they even recognize nothing is not something as they so enjoy doing. The bowling analogy is quite fitting. Its how language is limiting your thinking/appreciation of what the superior value does to all others.
2. The list wasn’t random. I SAID==it was to establish Communism as the ONLY priority. Religion and bowling were not randomly on the list. Religion was on the list because it interfered.
3. You don’t need to have a problem do you. Others do it for you. Others including god. Or do you think god does not punish atheists?
4. Society would be better if any and all “different thinking groups” were done away with. Its all about homogeneity, not the absolute value of one over the other. Contra–would the world be a better place if everyone accepted science as the best way to understand the natural world?….HAH!!! My, my. That is a strong contra.
5. I don’t know why you should have creeps unless atheists were actively seeking you out, making your lifestyle illegal, interfering with how you live your life. Are atheists doing that to you Greg Allen??? The religious certainly bother everyone–even other religious types.
6. You can’t follow my “logic,” — the simplest of assumptions and deductions? How do you then take my logic and extend it even farther than I did? Logically, that seems inconsistent. I assume you are making a rhetorical point rather than a logical/truthful/accurate one?
7. Bigotry: or evangelical?
8. More deadly than other faiths or atheists? Well that is the question. And I don’t think in relevant part it is about the past but rather it is about tomorrow. As a bigot, I see no reason to put the safety of my kiddies on the hope that Muslims will not be faithful to the clear words of their own commandments. American Indians had this same conversation about the infidels they were facing 400 years ago. Pilgrims were very friendly when they were out numbered and starving to death. But the thing about history is……….it develops. Doesn’t repeat, it rhymes.
9. Ask the jews. I agree, when the Iranians say they are going to wipe Israel from the map, they aren’t “being” violent. And after the Jews…..who’s next? Is having your throat cut when commercially involved in a shave your measure of violence? What about not being able to show your face/ankle in public if you are a woman and you get whipped for that. Is that any form of violence? Not being educated? Not existing as a homosexual? How do you rank that as violence? Do you add it up on your scale?
But I’m not sure either. Just a gut hunch.