1. Nolimit662 says:

    More and more likely with each passing day!

  2. B. Dog says:

    Something like that. Someone neglected to tell all those politicians they are idiots.

  3. UncDon says:

    Only in NYC.

    People in other cities simply wouldn’t allow this to happen.

    • But... says:

      You’ve apparently not spent much time in NYC. There are more people in NYC who have direct experience with oppressive regiemes than in most American cities (high immigrant population). If a bunch of homosexuals could give the cops a run for their money during the Stonewall riots, then I have no worries that the thugs, punks, hardcases, and regular New Yorkers (homosexual or otherwise) can step up.

      Now, a polite Southern city like Atlanta or Charlotte…? “Just follow the nice uniformed man’s instructions, Sugar, and everything will be OK” =}

      • Jim G says:

        Most of the population of many cities in states other than NY, MA, CA are WAY better armed than the police. Bring it!

        • But... says:

          I think there’s plenty of ‘bangers in NY and CA cities who’d argue that point… I’d rather have some homies who’ve blasted caps before than a bunch of IT Professionals with the disposable income to buy a fancy AR and take it to the range one time.

          Just sayin’…

  4. Post #4- bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

    You can’t say “It can’t happen here” what with the German (less so) and Japanese (more so) internments of WW2.

    Segment on this this morning on Democracy Now ((What a Show!==if you don’t watch this, you are “uninformed”–unless you read a lot.)) and the question was with all the people against the pending bill increasing the scope of Militarially imposed indefinite detention including the Military Itself but several other usually authoritarian types, WHO is pushing this REFORM? Seems to be either Obama himself, the sponsors of the bill, or know one knows.

    It CLEARLY violates provisions of the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Will it stick if passed and challenged? Hopefully. Or will terrorism be defined as any anti-corporate cronyism sentiment and foreign soil defined as any place outside a Board Room?

    Bread, Circus, and Repression.

    • boomboomboom says:

      Was the question on that show actually a really really long run on sentence that needs to be read multiple times in order to understand it’s meaning?

  5. TripHamer says:

    And this coming from MTV. You know things are going really wrong when MTV starts warning people. :)

  6. BigBoyBC says:

    First they came for the communists,
    and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a communist.

    Then they came for the trade unionists,
    and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a trade unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews,
    and I didn’t speak out because I wasn’t a Jew.

    Then they came for me
    and there was no one left to speak out for me.

    ~ Martin Niemöller ~

  7. EnemyOfTheState says:

    Future?

  8. msbpodcast says:

    I call bullshit on MTV.

    I’m not worried … until they repeal the law that prevents the US military from deploying on American soil only for the emergency provision of air and search and rescue and only by a state’s invitation.

    But if they ever do then the 1%ers in who live in and around a mere 51 capital cities and the 12,400 filthy rich, with their wealth in real-estate, stocks and bonds controlling other people’s progress, had better watch their ass.

    The military will take care of maintaining the military first and foremost.

    The 1%ers and the 12,400 filthy rich are much more vulnerable that we 99%ers are.

    The problem with an unfettered military is that its unfettered.

    We’d get universal health care, of a sort, pretty damn fast, though I can tell you that some of the old doctors and none of the big pharma would like it. (The new ones would adapt pretty quickly because the alternative is to actually pay for their education.)

    Why? I hear you ask… Because if they have to take over, they don’t want a population of sick and diseased people.

    We wouldn’t go through the 12 Caesars this time; though humans being what they are, I’m sure they’d eventually come up with some new way of fucking up … in a couple of centuries.

    • But... says:

      But the 1%’s can afford the private militias necessary to protect their assets from the ruffians and commoners. The rise and expansion of private paramilitary forces (Blackwater is only one example) is partly so the elite will have a way of maintaining their power once the 99% wake up.

      There were many Jews in Germany who weren’t worried because they fought for the Kaiser in the first World War, but these veterans were rounded up just the same as every other “undesirable”. I, like you, would like to think that our enlisted men and women would not participate in enforcing martial law. However, history has shown us that if you tell the people there’s a threat to their safety and the only way to protect them is through militaristic action, they tend to believe it.

      …And we can criticize German soldiers for “just following orders” during WW2, but people are people, and if the commander of an American infantry platoon issues an order to “protect the people by arresting the people”, I don’t think many dissenters will appear amongst the ranks. This isn’t to speak ill of our military, but questioning orders isn’t really encouraged much.

    • e? says:

      But if they ever do then the Jews 1%ers in who live in and around a mere 51 capital cities and the 12,400 filthy rich, with their wealth in real-estate, stocks and bonds controlling other people’s progress, had better watch their ass.

      The Jews 1%ers and the 12,400 filthy rich are much more vulnerable that we Aryan 99%ers are.

      Hmm, now why does that sound familiar?

      We’d get universal health care, of a sort, pretty damn fast, though I can tell you that some of the old doctors and none of the big pharma would like it. (The new ones would adapt pretty quickly because the alternative is to actually pay for their education.)

      LOL. Who would want to become educated in a society that just rounded up all the educated people who profited from their skills? Are they stupid and think it won’t happen again? Who wants to be treated a stupid doctor?

      • msbpodcast says:

        Good question to ask your doctor on your next visit: “Exactly where did you place in the medical school’s examination roster?

        You don’t know if he was at the bottom of his class and sleeping through all the lectures and if he did his internship with cadavers because he caused them until you wake up dead…

        And plenty of people die of “complications“every year caused by incompetent medical [dont] care.

      • msbpodcast says:

        I had to deal with a neurologist who was a total waste of space at his profession.

        He was supposed to know stuff, but he didn’t know [expletive deleter] all. I got more basic information from Google that he’d ever heard of…

        Okay, Ill admit I was interested because it was my condition, but even the basics of neurology were beyond him…

        He’d got into neurology because it was a quiet field and you weren’t on anybody’s emergency call list.

        Screw that.

        I dropped him like a hot potato.

    • orchidcup says:

      “I’m not worried … until they repeal the law that prevents the US military from deploying on American soil only for the emergency provision of air and search and rescue and only by a state’s invitation.”

      The Posse Comitatus Act has traditionally been viewed as a major barrier to the use of U.S. military forces in planning for homeland defense. In fact, many in uniform believe that the act precludes the use of U.S. military assets in domestic security operations in any but the most extraordinary situations. As is often the case, reality bears little resemblance to the myth for homeland defense planners. Through a gradual erosion of the act’s prohibitions over the past 20 years, posse comitatus today is more of a procedural formality than an actual impediment to the use of U.S. military forces in homeland defense.

  9. Cursor_ says:

    Nope this is what will happen.

    http://youtu.be/LsDY5yywvUk

    And we are soooo close to it.

    Cursor_

    • Animby says:

      Interesting reenactment. One thing struck me as odd. The narration tells us that “Five men, including a free black man, were killed.” Was that necessary information? Is the event more important because a “free” Negro was killed? Would it have been less important if her were a slave? Seems to me the important information was that five people were killed.

  10. e? says:

    Yes. Like Mao, Stalin, and the Islamists, leftists everywhere believe that what prevents society’s advancement is the people who refuse to cooperate with their legislative agenda.

    Once every registered Republican and independent has been shipped off to the death camps and total control is cemented over whoever remains, the Obamacrats will finally be able to perfect society and bring about eternal happiness for all who remain.

  11. Anonymous says:

    Like I said:

    THE TERRORISTS HAVE WON!

    When they get us to slash our own throats by over reacting to terror then the weapon of “terror” has been used most EFFECTIVELY! And isn’t that really the goal of any terrorist? …To get your enemy to kill him/her-self?!

    Think about THAT next time your ex-ambulance chasing Congressman proposes any (more) new laws promising to keep everyone safe!

  12. deowll says:

    When the Islamic press starts to note that Congress has gone of the rails and is in the process of creating Concentration camps for Americans we need to vote whoever votes for this bleep out of office and I’d prefer they be run out of the country.

  13. orchidcup says:

    Dadgum. That was just like that dream I had the other night.

    Except I was hammering those thugs with one-ounce slugs from my 12-gauge shotgun I keep hidden for special occasions like this.

    But it was only a dream.

    Y’all go back to sleep now.

    All is well.

  14. orchidcup says:

    Bill of Rights Day: What’s Left of Them?

    by Nat Hentoff

    This article appeared in Daily Caller on December 15, 2011.

    John Jay, the co-writer of the Federalist Papers and the first chief justice of the United States (1789-95), wrote in a 1786 letter to Thomas Jefferson that he was worried that under our evolving founding document that became the Constitution, Congress would have exorbitant power.

    “These three great departments of sovereignty,” he told Jefferson, “should be forever separated and so distributed to serve as checks on each other.”

    The separation of powers was indeed embodied in the Constitution, but especially in the Bush and Obama administrations, the executive branch has been so disproportionately and unilaterally strengthened that I urge the Cato Institute to actively redistribute, with a short epilogue, its 2008 book by Gene Healy, The Cult of the Presidency: America’s Dangerous Devotion to Executive Power. It can make for more crucially discerning voters in 2012.

    The Bill of Rights’ First Amendment, from which all our individual liberties flow, is still working. Although FBI agents, during J. Edgar Hoover’s reign, knocked on my door to supplement the FBI files on me, I have not since been visited by them. However, despite the Fourth Amendment, like so many Americans, I am aware that this is increasingly a society under government surveillance and tracking. Accordingly, many Americans are becoming careful about what they say on the phone or the Internet, let alone on cell phones or social media.

    The Bill of Rights’ now-broken Fourth Amendment guaranteed that we are protected against “unreasonable searches and seizures” by the government. But it is now on life support, thereby beginning to diminish citizens’ confident exercise of the First Amendment. Do you want the FBI to know everything you’re saying?

    Also, the new generation — and quite possibly others to follow — are recognizing that what they put about themselves on Facebook, Twitter and other newly quickening means of communication may be embedded in FBI and other government files.

    Also under attack by the government is the distinctively American Fifth Amendment: No person “shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty or property, without due process of law…”

    Due process of law is our bedrock of citizenship, and it’s greatly envied by many around the world. But the Bush-Cheney administration cast it aside with regard to suspected terrorists — including American citizens in certain contexts. Then, in 2009, President Barack Obama began pursuing, as Bush-Cheney already had, preventive detention, by which terrorism suspects, including Americans, can be held without going to a U.S. court, thereby also doing away with due process.

    Recently, Obama appears to have moderated in part his further suspension of the Fifth Amendment, without abandoning preventive detention entirely. This happened concerning a 93-to-7 Senate vote for an amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act that would empower the military to seize and hold terrorism suspects, including Americans, within our borders, in preventive detention. No right to trial.

    What surprised me was that Obama, because of extraordinary control given the military by the Senate vote, threatened a veto of the bill, while also among its opponents were FBI Director Robert Mueller and Defense Secretary Leon Panetta — neither of whom would have been recognized by John Jay or Thomas Jefferson as civil libertarians.

    As of this writing, the ultimate vote on this defense authorization bill is still pending; but alarming is the fact that 93 senators — in what these days was an astonishingly large bipartisan vote — were so eager to deny these suspects, including Americans, any trace of due process of law.

    Were he still alive, John Jay would remind us why he so feared a Congress so leaping over the separation of powers.

    Another section of the Bill of Rights, the Eighth Amendment’s banning of “cruel and unusual punishments,” was brutally suspended during the Bush-Cheney “torture policy” in the CIA secret prisons (“black sites”) and elsewhere. And the CIA “renditions” to other nations known for torturing their prisoners continue, to some extent, under President Obama. I have reported, for instance, on a covert part of a U.S. prison on our Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan where former prisoners have described being tortured to the BBC.

    The Republican presidential aspirants seem to have only the smallest concern about any of this dismembering of the Bill of Rights I have cited in my inability to celebrate, rather than mourn, Bill of Rights Day. The incumbent in the White House has refused any attempts at accountability — through independent investigations — for the Bush-Cheney desecration of the Bill of Rights, let alone his own.

    How many voters in 2012 will keep in mind America’s continuous Dangerous Devotion to Executive Power?

  15. Rick says:

    Blame the rise of the far right. Yes yes there are a couple of democrats on their side too, but let’s be realistic, since the Reagan “Revolution” our rights have been steadily chipped away and sacrificed to the altar of an obsession with national security and worship of corporate values.

  16. But... says:

    Why is it that people who’s only historical experience with persecution is PERPETRATING it get so up in arms about the big bad guv’ment taking over? Seriously, if you’re Caucasian and marginally Christian you’re in the clear (look through history). It’s typically been the brown and swarthy people who end up getting “saved” by the conservative faithful… And by “saved” I mean decimated.

    Just pretend you believe in Jesus, don’t marry anyone with a darker skin tone, and you’ll be ok.

  17. A Merkin Citizen says:

    Wise up, chumps. In the end, you’ll let them inflict ANY indignity upon you, as long as you can have your minivans and plasma TV’s and microwave snacks. You lost your country because you became weak, dependent, lazy putzes. And now you’re going to pay the bill.

    • But... says:

      Amen, brother-man! Communism didn’t work out because people didn’t have enough comfort-items… Here in the Capitalistic States of America, the happy slaves will watch others being rounded up on said plasma-screens, and then be surprised when there’s a knock on their door.

      If you can’t turn your TV(s) off for at least a week, then you’re part of the herd. Start practicing your “b’ahhhhs” now.



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