You’re toast!
The Vatican has appointed an American bishop to rein in the largest and most influential group of Catholic nuns in the United States, saying that an investigation found that the group had “serious doctrinal problems.”
The Vatican’s assessment…said that members of the group, the Leadership Conference of Women Religious, had challenged church teaching on homosexuality and the male-only priesthood, and promoted “radical feminist themes incompatible with the Catholic faith.”
The sisters were also reprimanded for making public statements that “disagree with or challenge the bishops, who are the church’s authentic teachers of faith and morals.” During the debate over the health care overhaul in 2010, American bishops came out in opposition to the health plan, but dozens of sisters, many of whom belong to the Leadership Conference, signed a statement supporting it…
The verdict on the nuns group was issued by the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, which is now led by an American, Cardinal William Levada… He appointed Archbishop J. Peter Sartain of Seattle to lead the process of reforming the sisters’ conference, with assistance from Bishop Thomas J. Paprocki and Bishop Leonard Blair, who was in charge of the investigation of the group.
They have been given up to five years to revise the group’s statutes, approve of every speaker at the group’s public programs and replace a handbook the group used to facilitate dialogue on matters that the Vatican said should be settled doctrine. They are also supposed to review the Leadership Conference’s links with Network and another organization, the Resource Center for Religious Life…
And while the Vatican was investigating the Leadership Conference, the Vatican was also conducting a separate, widespread investigation of all women’s religious orders and communities in the United States. That inquiry, known as a “visitation,” was concluded last December, but the results of that process have not been made public.
Just in case you’re thinking of doing something other than obeying.
May the forks be with you.
My guess is this editor had this story & headline as right as the story about the secret service in Colombia.
Pathetic
I expected an anti Catholic post, given the complete fail at being a CEO by Obama, corruption everywhere GSA, Secret Service…everyone is partying on Taxpayer dime like its 1929…good times when the man on top is corrupt too, vacationing or golfing at every opportunity…
So of course Eideard attacks the Catholic church…its like the sun rising in the morning, predictable.
Can’t say I follow the logic but I bet it’s interesting.
Its an alfie post, normal logic doesn’t apply, so there is no use trying to follow it.
The world’s ultimate good-ol-boys-
club-cult slapping down some free-thinking female devotees – just more good press for the pervs. The [em]war on religion[/em] I’ve been reading and hearing so much about in the news seems to be a civil war. It must take some powerful brain-washing to still be following these creeps’ orders.That is the core of the issue: “…to still be following these creeps’ orders…” – if they do not wish to follow Catholic teaching and order, please leave and stop pretending to be Catholic. No one is forcing anyone to be Catholic, even less Catholic nun. So, why are they staying “in” and applying doctrine in clash with the institution? – to falsify and corrupt, no other reason. Go form your own religion with morals and practices you approve, that is at least trivial in the USA.
Hey dadeo–I’ve been waiting for someone to reply to one of your posts. For a while, I’ve been wanting to tell you to stop being a buzz fly, to land, and to really sink your proboscis into the meat of an issue.
You finally did, and “vi – ola” you got a response. Never thought it would be douche-anal though. Thats kinda sad.
But yes==the age old issue of federalism/freedom is raised in another context: just exactly who/what is the Catholic Church? Is it we the People, or we the 1%, or only the One?
Douche-Anal==fascist in chief. Submit==Obey==Turn off your Brain. He demands “good catholics” submit to authority just as he demands good citizens submit to the authority of the Teapublican Crackpot Party.
Astounding people like this exist. No wonder our system of politics doesn’t work.
And this issue isn’t about the faith at all. Do you recognize that Douche? Its is in fact an issue of politics, or sexual politics. Pass the child along and chant: Amen.
Maggoty meat wrecks morale..
Nobody expects the American Inquisition! Biggles, get the comfy chair!!
is it me or does this pope look like the emperor from the star wars movies???
Not bad. Only half the Christian Defenders League here. Relying on non-sequiturs. Still avoiding answering questions asked of theocracy. Still afraid of honesty. Afraid of women, too, I guess.
Just like the pope.
The evidence is irrefutable, for example…did Eideard speak on the new xray cell phone:
http://dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2131932/The-REAL-X-Ray-spex–new-terahertz-scanner-lets-mobile-phones-walls.html
Nope…..there was a pressing need to distract from Obama fail…the bozo ceo under whose “leading from behind (“ie., following”) direction, the entire stimulus bill was wasted…
Billions that Biden is least able to say where it went, Obama’s “sheriff Joe!” (har de har, what a laugh)
Who cares if nuns are liberals, I don’t…it doesn’t affect me one iota, I’m not Catholic…who cares if they are rebelling against their pope…not me.
I do care incompetent Obama wasted trillions of taxpayer money and made himself and his cronies rich off us…
But any blogs on that…of course not, like the morning follows the night, so will misdirection follow every explosion of negative news about Obama.
Yea, the pope really hurts, lets attack him…
according to US stats catholics are the group most likely to commit violent sexual crimes against children and women.
sorry, completely misread the graph, turns out it’s blacks.
well at least their not afraid of women. (or children)
*they’re
Eidard, can we have more stories on why these people are so violent?
Man, you are so excited by Eideard’s red meat you can’t get the words out.
Gotta love those religious slams, huh?
It is not theocracy but religion free to join or leave. Problem here is in falsification: these woman claim to be Catholic, yet act with intent opposite to the Catholic doctrine. No one is forcing them to stay Catholic. They are free to leave and apply theology of their own invention 24/7. If they want to stay Catholic, they can’t be “Catholic”. Rules are clear, much more than in the rest of the society. And again – absolutely no one is making them stay, neither the church rules not the law of the land. So, trivialized , they are schizophrenic. Sane person who opposes the rules of the organization would leave.
Say Douche-Anal==why aren’t these false Catholics masquerading in their life long devotion as Nuns FREEEEEEEEE to change the non-faith based doctrine of the Catholic Church? It was after all changed in the first place from what it initially was.
Believe the World is Flat—or you aren’t a good Catholic? That doctrine changed.
Are you a flat earther doucheanal? Such a toady for authority. There are formal standards/goals/guidelines “desired” by the Catholic Heirarchy having NOTHING to do with the faith.
When knuckle draggers like you argue for this antediluvian mandate, your participation in the human race is equally suspect. What are you, a retire inquisitionist?
Ha, ha.===I claimed doucheanal was human.
How low the standards have become.
Silly Hooman.
A Catholic, by definition, accepts the pope is infallible in matters of faith and doctrine…stop heeding the pope, and by definition, one is no longer Catholic.
He is right, if they disagree with the pope etc. they should leave.
Protestants disagreed, and left. There are perhaps a dozen satallite Catholic churches, not Protestant, but not heeding the pope, where they could go…
Or start their own freewilling nunnery church where Rev. Wright’s theology can find a home.
But as CEO of Catholicism, the pope has every right to correct them, or fire them.
Spoken as a true slave with no sense of free will and autonomy at all.
No female priests: an article of faith, or merely custom and practice?
Seems to me you are Catholic at least as long as you receive communion? We can’t have the Pope and his dressed henchmen speaking pious hypocrisy now can we?
The Nun’s won’t be Catholics when the Pope excommunicates them. Until then, its just sexual politics==something the Hierarchy will lose everytime they do battle.
Really…..quite silly.
Pedro sounds like he gets his news from My Weekly Reader. 10th grade edition.
“serious doctrinal problems.” Well there is your problem, eliminate the doctrine and you eliminate the problem.
What the picture of the pope is missing is the blue lighting coming out of his finger tips, the red glowing eyes. I guess in the picture he is just heartily teasing to use the dark side of the force on the rebellious nun order.
I am not sure why the Church is upset about the nuns accepting homosexuality, the Church has been practicing that for centuries.
The nuns should know better, the last time women spoke out against the Church with “feminist” ideas, the Church called it witchcraft and started burning women at the stake.
It’s ok to practice homosexuality as long as you claim the devil made you do it.
He looks like Hannibal Lecter…
“can you see the blood of the lambs, Sister Clarise…”
About the only good thing the Catholic church has done over the last few centuries is provide a safe haven for large numbers of male homosexuals. Unfortunately, since Catholic doctrine considers homosexuality a sin, the church has had to take the absurdly hypocritical position of railing against it in public while its clergy practice it in private.
Perhaps the nuns were just getting tired of the hypocrisy.
This is nothing new, just a continuation of what the man did as Cardinal Ratzinger prior to his elevation to the papacy. Put the name “Sr. Jeanne Grammick” in your search engine for an example. I’m surprised he waited so long (actually, the investigations have been going on for nearly two years now).
A longer article on this subject in my morning paper mentioned the the head of the LCWR made a comment at a meeting about “women religious moving beyond the church.” The theology of religious communities (men’s and women’s) is that they are a gift of the Holy Spirit to the Church. The issue of who controls religious life is a longstanding and interesting one. Check out the lives of some truly heroic women like Hilda of Whitby, Julian of Norwich, Teresa of Avila.
I always wondered why so many famous women from olden days had the same middle name: “of”.
Why shouldn’t the pope (CEO) enforce discipline employees, that they not preach against the company?
He should just accept Obamaism and elevate all who reject the Catholic faith?
The statist misdirection away from bungler in Chief, lest anyone notice he is the most incompetent person in any inhabited room, is amusing.
Like watching one man wrestle
Obama is Catholic? I thought he was a Muslim.
I thought he was Kenyan.
All I know is, he’s a Marxist.
The real question here is that will the Pope respect the free market economy and American precedent and outsource the detention and torture of the nuns? That should create jobs, perhaps a few I wouldn’t mind applying for. I’ve always wanted to make a nun kneel on rice…
My dad used to tell me his grandmother punished him that way. Must be a European thing. I used to tell my dad that he must have been a really bad kid.
We also have state universities telling campus Christian groups they must non-Christians as members and leaders of their group.
Vanderbilt did this, and is now being threatened with defunding by the state. They responded with threats not to run TennCare any more. So basically if you don’t let them annoy religious groups, they won’t give medical care to poor people.
Vanderbilt is a private school.
Please link to something remotely resembling anything you just claimed.
Took me a minute to dig up the vague, agenda driven article you must have read on The National Review Online.
I find it amusing that the right rallys behind a private organizations (like the Church or the boyscouts) right to set its own policies. But when an organization you don’t like does it affecting christians, suddenly its discrimination, and must be stopped.
I guess hypocrisy its its own form of logical consistency.
Don’t Catholics have their own country? If they’re tired of global cultural influence threatening their closet homosexual frat party, maybe they should just all go there and stay there?
The U.S.?
Crap, really? I thought it was Spain. I take it back!
It would be very entertaining trying to pack all the Catholics into Vatican City.
It is their country after all.
I’d like to know why I should even CARE!
…That is, unless TAX DOLLARS are being spent on these IDIOTS and their IDIOT PROGRAMS!
Actually you are spending tax dollars indirectly. The Church is tax exempt which means they get the benefits of public infrastructure Police, Fire, Transportation, National Security etc.etc.etc. all on the taxpayers back.
Religion is the opiate of the masses -Marx
Or to give the quotation in context, Marx wrote: Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.
Basically its some dude, its always a dude, telling you that your compound fracture isn’t worth whining about, and either you cough up some dough or he’ll send his goons for your other leg.
The photo depicts pure evil.
Having dumped my load on doucheanal, I’ve had a little time to decompress.
I support the Pop in this latest round of oppression and alienation.
What else can better destroy the Catholic Church than this kind of rot from the inside running free?
What these all too passive Nuns should do is write up their complaints and nail it to some churches door? Best done in Wittenberg? Throw some rice around as well (whatever that means).
Same with the TeaPublicans. Very telling how they have power and influence>>>>appealing to the stupidity and emotions and fears of the masses – - until they get any actual power, implement their policies and vi-ola the public reacts with 80% shock, horror, recalls, and reformations.
“I didn’t realize when I voted to cut my own throat that there would be repurcussions to me. I thought only those other people who deserve it would be affected!”
And thats what reality is==that thing that bumps you in the nose when you think there is nothing there.
Stoopid Hoomans—you actually deserve this misery. Good Catholics. BWHAHAHAHAHAHA. Hell on earth is your goal. Enjoy the fruit juice.
I don’t get the problem? The pope is simply repeating what our Good Lord said through Timothy
11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. 15 But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.
1 Timoth 2
Oh how I love the bible and its wisdom…
The only flaw in your satire, is the lack of evidence that wouldn’t result in a better world…evidently you think the present perfection?
Occulting indeed, is your light
Alfie–you put your finger right on it. On your knees woman, now, and for eternity.
Its for your own good.
Same for man…..in eternity.
Alfie–aren’t you going to rot in hell for the excessive time you spend off your knees and on the internet?
I fear for your immortal soul Alfie.
Repent. REPENT SINNER!!! I’ll know you have taken the Lord’s Counsel when you no longer post here. I’ll take great comfort knowing you are in a padded cell communicating with the angels.
Ha. Ha. …… no need really.
The flaw in your satire is eisegesis of the text out of context. In context the Corinthian church converted many Lesbians, sporting short hair…manly gestures…they were an offense to the community because of their actions.
Paul didn’t permit these take over the church meeting, and teach woman’s lib…the church isn’t about political goals, its about holiness in Christ.
That Paul didn’t forbid women to teach in church is evident from his other statements, like they must have their head covered when teaching (inspired prophesying) in church:
But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, for that is one and the same as if her head were shaved. (1Co 11:5 NKJ)
Butch hair cuts sported by loud obnoxious women who claimed to be better then men wasn’t Paul’s idea of holy Christian lifestyle.
That women ministered with Paul in the church is clear:
MIT Romans 16:1 I introduce to you our sister Phoebe, a deaconess of the church in Cenchreae that you might welcome her in the Lord as one worthy of acceptance by the holy ones, (Rom 16:1 MIT)
Well, Taxed Enough Already Dude==you have turned me right around. We should all honor the requirement of good head, or head worshiping, or whatever the right Christian orientation to head is.
Keep this good bible stuff coming Taxed Enough Already Dude, we obviously can all benefit from it.
Where do you buy your knee pads and what brand do you recommend?
Better to bow to God and die free than bend over to men.
Ow!!! Have those been your only two choices Alfie?
Does explain a lot. Have you tried any “third way”? I think you need to open your chakras up and let the feng shui flow.
“Better to bow to God and die free” Just as contradictory as the bible.
Better to ignore something that doesn’t exist, use your mind, and actually be free.
Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. (2Co 3:17 KJV)
The founders of our constitution predicated the idea sparse government upon the glorious liberty believers have in Christ Jesus.
I am truly free because I bow to God who liberated me from the power of tyrannical darkness…
It is the unregenerate apart from God’s Sovereign grace who are slaves to sin and death:
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
(1Co 15:54-57 KJV)
While claiming to be free without God, in reality you are slaves to sin…it permeates your brain, occupies every hour of your day till you are forced to accomplish its evil desires.
I failed to communicate the concept, perhaps this will.
When God sovereignty is accepted, man steps into the light, paradise…a place where doing good is possible.
Every desire to do good can be satisfied.
Prior to stepping into paradise, man is in darkness, slaves to sin.
They may think good thoughts, but rarely do they accomplish the charitable deed.
Rather they do what they would not, the evil they hate, they end up doing. Those with a conscience are then plagued with many pains…
They do what they would not, become those who they once rejected…because they are slaves to their fallen nature, unable to rise above its tyranny.
While Christians aren’t perfect, they will be perfected in the resurrection, they already experience the joy of being masters of their own vessel…they are able to reject the sin and actually do the good they want to do.
9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.
10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ. (1Co 2:9-16 KJV)
This truth is empirically documented by the vast gulf that exists between conservative charitable giving, and that by progressives.
In the main, conservatives bow down to God’s sovereignty and so are rewarded with liberty to accomplish the good they know they should do.
Liberal progressives remain defiant of God and His light, and so never accomplish the good they know “someone” should do…
They see the poor and think to themselves “someone ought to do something,” but being slaves to their sinful nature, they cannot help directly…their sin nature requires attention, crowding out the few brief moments of charity in their daily thinking…
THAT’s why they want government to do it.
They know they won’t, but believe “someone has got to do something,”…they would, but their too busy serving their sin nature.
So the progressive, while proclaiming themselves free, are actually slaves
They are the antithesis to those who know God’s liberation in their lives:
Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
(Rom 6:18 KJV)
To serve righteousness is the essence of joyful living, the spring from whence happiness flows…
The evil unregenerate progressive, hating his inability to do good, demands government do it…and then turns his self hate on others who dare disagree…
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
(Rom 1:22-25 KJV)
Typical response alfie, quote a contradictory book of fiction to support your view that being free is being subservient. In your case to a non-existent god who condemns someone to eternal damnation for actually being free instead of a slave. But only because he loves you.
P.S Hows that ron paul thing working out for you?
There are three kinds of people in the world, those who make things happen, those who watch what happened, and those like “So What,” who wonder what just happened.
The tiny brain in your pin head can’t handle the truth.
The cause of the well documented phenomena of conservatives charitable giving being multiples more than liberal progressives, is elementary.
Their evil hearts are so enslaved to sin… they can barely find the time to even think charitably about others, let alone actually help them.
Liberal progressives suppose making government steal the money from others —exempting themselves of course, to give to the poor, absolves them of their crimes.
That it justifies their elitist self righteous snobbery as they make everyone else follow the collective…
It doesn’t, their evil hearts remain are manifest to all who care to see…
Hence your tirades against Catholics, Christians, or anyone actually doing something charitable for others…because you won’t lift a finger to help…and you hate yourself for that…
So you demand Government do it, and say those who don’t need Government to make them do right, are the ones who are evil…
Now progressives will hate us even more, now that they are revealed…for the small petty pathetic slaves to unrighteousness they really are…
Just like the good book says:
“But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in you is darkness, how great is that darkness! (Mat 6:23 NKJ)
LOL The best part of your postings is watching how your ability to comment degenerates into name calling, bible quoting, and neo-political/religious drivel in direct proportion to the closer you come to realizing you have no valid argument. Keep trying alfie, someday when your can keep up we can actually have a real discussion. One without the superstition of god or the name calling of your current diatribes. I have hope that with education and knowledge in time, you can put away your current silliness, of course most people think I have unrealistically high expectations of the human population.
LOL The best part of your postings is watching how your ability to comment degenerates into name calling, bible quoting, and neo-political/religious drivel in direct proportion to the closer you come to realizing you have no valid argument.
Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit. (Pro 26:5 KJV)
I liked you when we first met, you talked me out of it. To every reason you responded with ridicule, I’d be a fool to take your ad hominem seriously.
To illustrate this, you misdirected from the valid argument Conservatives help the poor, not liberal progressives.
Liberal progressives steal the resources from others they tyrannize, and make them help the poor.
Then the label all who object as heartless.
That’s a valid argument, a cause for the phenomena is being offered.
One that is hardly complimentary to yourself.
Do you treat the premises, or logic?
Nope, you claim victim status and want us to pity your offended sensibilities.
To misdirect from reason to ad hominem.
Somewhere there is a village just for you.
Oh alfie your first statement is as predictable as it is irrelevant.
“I liked you when we first met,” Like me? You don’t even know me. You think I am a liberal, you think I am a progressive, when your only experience is what I post here. You have no idea if I am critiquing your post or just pulling your chain to get the inevitable pavlovian response. “you talked me out of it. To every reason you responded with ridicule, I’d be a fool to take your ad hominem seriously.” Ridicule is what people use when responding to nonsense. As far as your being a fool, I think you’re a little hard on your self but I won’t disagree.
“To illustrate this, you misdirected from the valid argument Conservatives help the poor, not liberal progressives.” To be a valid argument there has to be demonstrable proof, something you assiduously fail to provide. You, being such an ardent conservative and christian by your own admission, what do you do to help the poor?
“Liberal progressives steal the resources from others they tyrannize, and make them help the poor.” Another talking point-not an argument-to which you provide no proof, my old logic professors, the fathers at St. Francis Solanus University, would have a field day with you. Alfie, according to you any one who fails to meet your narrow view of conservative is a “liberal progressive” two terms that you consistently use incorrectly by definition. Guess that lack of formal education is showing again.
“Then the label all who object as heartless.” I labeled no one as heartless. To be heartless one would be dead. Mindless drone is one that I think is more appropriate, as one can have a brain yet fail to use it by choice. Something your comments show you seem to suffer from, suffer being a diagnostic term, as you seem to enjoy it.
“That’s a valid argument, a cause for the phenomena is being offered.” Actually it’s not a valid argument you neglected that proof problem again.
“One that is hardly complimentary to yourself.” See there you go again thinking you know me. “Do you treat the premises, or logic?” As neither term apply to your “argument” as you provide fail to provide a simple proof nor follow the basic tenants of logic, your argument fails to even meet the standard of a simple syllogism, I treat neither. I comment on your inability to provide anything more substantial than a mildly humorous diversion.
“Nope, you claim victim status and want us to pity your offended sensibilities.” I have claimed neither victim nor offence. I do find your belief in the existence of god and the using of biblical verse to support your comments silly. Don’t take it personally I ridicule all religions equally, yours isn’t special.
“To misdirect from reason to ad hominem.” First you have to have reason, you demonstrate your lack of reasoning every time you respond. I ridicule you just for the minor amusement I get from watching you froth at the mouth with bible verses and your special brand of conservative drivel. Don’t take that personally I do the same to the bible thumpers who come around the house looking to “save my soul” as well. Doesn’t matter to me whether they are baptist, catholic, lutheran or mormon, I treat all with equal disdain.
“Somewhere there is a village just for you.” I wouldn’t want to deprive you of the position you have worked so hard and so vigorously to obtain.
So alfie, am I critiquing your post or pulling your chain?
This reminds me to see if ‘Silence of the Lambs’ is on BluRay.