The sun may be entering a period of reduced activity that could result in lower temperatures on Earth, according to Japanese researchers. Officials of the National Astronomical Observatory of Japan and the Riken research foundation said on April 19 that the activity of sunspots appeared to resemble a 70-year period in the 17th century in which London’s Thames froze over and cherry blossoms bloomed later than usual in Kyoto. In that era, known as the Maunder Minimum, temperatures are estimated to have been about 2.5 degrees lower than in the second half of the 20th century.
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If that trend continues, the north pole could complete its flip in May 2012 but create a four-pole magnetic structure in the sun, with two new poles created in the vicinity of the equator of our closest star.



  1. bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo says:

    NewfornatSux says:
    5/1/2012 at 9:45 pm

    >but over all the ice is melting—HENCE THE OCEAN LEVEL KEEPS RISING,

    Wrong again. Ocean level rise has nothing to do with melting ice. /// Ice sitting above sea level melts into the ocean has nothing to do with melting ice? I think you could only mean melting ice is not the only factor? ie–its even worse than any alarmist has made clear? But your logic is that 2 + 2 = 2. No effect. Denying math to support your position…….typical.

    Global warming would lead to more ice not less. /// I’ll give you “more ice in certain localities”—but even then, not “forever.” I don’t know that detail. When the bearing straits could be walked across, where was the ice? Was there any? I’ve only ever seen the ice sheet retreating up towards the North Pole. Hardly matters. The point is–if water rises to the level that we can again walk from Alaska to China, that will disrupt life in the coastal cities. Or do you disagree with that too? You know: magically.

    It is simply too cold in Antarctica for global warming to melt the ice there. Instead, you would get warmer water that evaporates and falls as snow in Antarctica, creating more ice. /// Not interested enough to look it up, I’ll concede the point initially although I think sea rise of 150 feet could greatly reduce the ice coverage in Antarctica causing another round of ocean rise and so forth.

    Sea level rises because warmer water expands. /// Where in this exposition is the explanation for how the water gets warmer? Silly anyway. When you add water to a system, there is more water in the system.

    Sea level continues to rise:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Current_sea_level_rise

    • NewfornatSux says:

      Ice floating on water, when it melts, does not raise the level of the water. It was this topic discussion that convinced me Mr ConFusion was a total idiot. Hope you don’t go the same way.

      There is no 150 foot sea level rise. Science projects less than 10 feet. Current rise is about 2-3 mm a year.

      Sea level rise has nothing to do with melting ice because on net there will be more ice not less, globally.

  2. bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo says:

    Damn–I wrote the opposite of what I was thinking twice up there. I can only blame my frustration with not being able to connect to the internet. Don’t know if its my modem or Comcast or who knows what else.

    NONE OF US KNOWS SQUAT ONE about climate change. After that, you can choose to believe scientists or non scientists, but always with everything, with a grain of salt.

    Agreeing with the SCIENTIFIC FACT of AGW does not commit you to any program of amelioration. Should be carrots and sticks.

    Best stick: tax on carbon with proceeds to developing green energy. Literature is flush with new breakthrus of efficiencies and ways to do things.

    Let’s deal with reality as much as possible?

    Melting ice of course raises sea level, unless you think of it as “Jewish Science” then all bets are off. Could be socialist science?===same thing.

  3. NewfornatSux says:

    tax on carbon, how do you propose to get the Chinese to do that? How about the other countries that make up the majority of emissions, but are not in Europe, or Japan, or Australia, or South Korea, or Russia? The developing countries are just going to tax carbon to help you sleep better? Hahaha.

    • bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo says:

      What to do is a different issue. Why do anything as in your position adding melted ice water to the ocean doesn’t do anything, adding co2 to the atmosphere doesn’t do anything, adding co2 to the ocean doesn’t do anything…..see a pattern here?

      I haven’t discussed solutions at all. Too many confuse not liking a solution with the desire to avoid the issue altogether. That swedish ((Bjorn something)) expert wrote books and articles on easy, cheap, simple things to do that would help.

      Cancer Cure frauds are especially evil given the reality of Cancer. Same with AGW with the deniers being the especially evil—given the reality of AGW.

      Its like the budget: figure out what you want to do and be honest and direct about addressing the issues. Tax cuts for the rich don’t create trickle down benefits to all.

      Just look.

  4. bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo says:

    Newfornat pouting his lips for maximum Sux says:
    5/3/2012 at 9:46 pm

    Ice floating on water, /// Yeah, thats why I wrote: “Ice sitting above sea level …” and thats what the issue is about==not ice in water. Your “orientation” to the subject, and what is clearly written is abysmally deficient.

    when it melts, does not raise the level of the water. It was this topic discussion that convinced me Mr ConFusion was a total idiot. Hope you don’t go the same way. /// No, its turning out just the opposite.

    There is no 150 foot sea level rise. Science projects less than 10 feet. Current rise is about 2-3 mm a year. /// Completely dependent on what time frame /ice loss you consider. Too easy to google. Again==basic facts.

    Sea level rise has nothing to do with melting ice because on net there will be more ice not less, globally. /// Link? I don’t think even the nut cases say, or post, that kind of made up nonsense. Why are you?

    You still haven’t answered why the sea level is going steadily up. And your only legitimate answer comes from SCIENCE and SCIENCE is all about AGW, Evolution, Germ Theory, Keynesian Economics, Genes. All kinds of advancements.

    • NewfornatSux says:

      Sea level rises because the planet is getting warmer.

      Ice floating on water is still above sea level. I was thinking in terms of icebergs. Perhaps you meant things like Greenland or Antarctic ice. The discussion with ConFusion was about Arctic ice.

      The net gain of ice is because there will be ice gain in Antarctica which is too cold to melt(-50C). This gain will be more than the losses elsewhere. Antarctica is the big kahuna of ice.

      • bobbo, the pragmatic existentia says:

        thanks for the link.

        Did you read it?

        Just like here at DU==the headline is sensational to grab readers, the article itself is much more negative, confirming there is glacier melt in Antarctica.

        so–AGW remains complicated, ever only partially understood and so forth.

        Meanwhile, the sea level continues to rise.

        and for emPHAsis===no one, not even Alfie, talks about melting ice bergs.

        No one.

  5. pedro says:

    Somebody get that wasp’s nest out of Bobbo’s behind!