At first glance it looked like the 2013 version National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) did more to protect Americans against indefinite detention. […] But on closer examination the new NDAA actually makes it EASIER to detain citizens indefinitely.
[…]
Afran explained that although the new provision gives U.S. citizens a right to go to civilian (i.e. Article III) court based on “any [applicable] constitutional rights,” but since there are are no rules in place to exercise this right, detained U.S. citizens currently have no way to gain access to lawyers, family or the court itself once they are detained within the military.

“The biggest thing about the [2012] NDAA was that you weren’t getting a trial … Nothing in here says that you’ll make it to an Article III court so it literally does nothing,” Dan Johnson, founder of People Against the NDAA, told BI. “It’s a bunch of words, basically,”

Afran noted that the newest version actually goes further than the NDAA that’s now in effect.

“The new statute actually states that persons lawfully in the U.S. can be detained under the Authorization for the Use of Military Force [AUMF]. The original (the statute we are fighting in court) never went that far,” Afran said. “Therefore, under the guise of supposedly adding protection to Americans, the new statute actually expands the AUMF to civilians in the U.S.”



  1. noname says:

    Just like Rome, America’s equivalent of the praetorian guard, HLS is working hard to covertly and easily denounce any American, arrest and detain any American, take them to prisons unknown unhindered or challenged at their pleasure!

    Welcome to America remade, the legacy of GWB and Obama’s inaction!

    I don’t know who is worse, excepting Romney!

    • pedro says:

      You took my words out of my mouth.

      I don’t get how people could re-elect Dumbya & Obama for a second term. Granted, as you say Romney was more of the same, but at least you got the benefit of the doubt and a little breathe during the transition time.

      With so many “Dreamers” now in, the US looks like is becoming a masochist country.

      • Trex says:

        The choice was Obama or the known Corporate Raider (Rmoney). What do you think a corporate raider would do once he got the keys to the US Treasury (the People’s Bank). Hint: what is the definition of “raider”?

        WTF, did Repubs think would happen in this election?? Seriously. And yes, the choice sucked.

        • ± says:

          The sheeple say that Rmoney and Ovomit suck and R-Ds suck and then they hire them anyway. As long as this happens (instead of trying for a third party), nothing will change except for the worse.

      • msbpodcast says:

        Mittenz would have focused all of energy on making America into an oligarchs playground and not wasted any time or money (remember how he is all for stopping taxes and, ahem, government waste, [like the spending on such useless stuff as the citizenry,]) and instead remade America into … well, remember the scene in Mel Brooks’s History of the World: Part I” when he’s the “King of France”, shooting flung peasants ut of the air and grabbing ladies big, bouncy tits? Yeah, that

    • Trex says:

      We’ve entered the Absurdity Dimension — Where Nobel Peace Prize winners have Kill Lists; Torture has been Legalized; the Government (both parties) is hopelessly corrupt and essentially controlled by Oligarchs. Regarding indefinite detention, I think the Soviet’s term was Gulag.

      Face the facts. The US ain’t the good guys anymore.

  2. Nate says:

    If the NDAA had a provision to block supposedly IT proficient persons from setting up the sh!tt!est commenting system in the entire interwebitudes, then I would vote for it.

    [At least make an attempt to stay on topic – ed.]

    • Nate says:

      It would be a lot easier to stay on topic, respond to posts, know who is responding to who, and even be able to to respond to posts as this system seems to have a thread count limit that prevents deep threaded conversations from happening.

  3. McCullough says:

    But WAIT! Obama said he was against it, and that he would never use it.

    Oh that’s right, I forgot, he’s a fucking liar.

    Har.

    • Mr Diesel says:

      Well he is a politician. what did you expect.

      I’m so ticked off at all the lying asshat politicians on both sides. I want to see Obomba offer up real budget cuts and Boehner grow a fucking backbone.

      We don’t a revenue problem, we have a spending problem.

      • Trex says:

        I hope you will have no need for Social Security or Medicare in the future, because dissolving those programs is where all this “Fiscal Grift” kabuki theater is heading.

        And I congratulate you for being Morbidly Rich and a member of the 1% club. Because if you are not a 1% member and are putting your faith in either party, you are being Played.

      • msbpodcast says:

        It is entirely irrelevant what you propose since its also clear you can’t see that your perception of the problem is not the way to any solution.

        The current failure of bicameral system is at the root of the problems.

        When, not if but when, we finally plunge off the alleged fiscal cliff you will see that scoring points means more to the 1%ers, members of the millionnaires club, that we do.

        Do you really think you matter to a creature like John Boehner. (He only shed’s tears when he is moved, not when you‘re moved, out of your house by bankruptcy.)

        I have never met anyone I would feel justified in giving advanced AIDS or stage four testicular cancer to quite as much as that incredibly contemptuous scum bag.

        • jpfitz says:

          Did you really meet boehner or had you met him in a nightmare. That man turns my stomach when I channel surf for propaganda on the three “news” cable networks and I see his tanned mug.

          • msbpodcast says:

            He is the quintessential arch-1%er, the überfuck yourselves peasants self-slyled master of the universe cock-biting bastard.

            If my cat looked like that, I’d shave its ass and make it walk backward.

            Thank whatever the fuck you believe in that he’ll never come to my town so I can puke on him.

  4. Mr Diesel says:

    I just got this message this morning:

    The right to a trial by jury is one of the very foundations of our Republic.

    Thanks to the petitions and phone calls from concerned Americans like you, the Amendment stripping the indefinite detention language out of the NDAA just passed the U.S. Senate by a vote of 67-29.

    But this fight isn’t over yet.

    Since the Senate amended the NDAA, it now has to go back to the House for approval.

    So you and I must remain prepared to pick up this fight in the Senate in the near future.

    Once again, thank you for all you do. I’ll be sure and keep you updated on our fight to protect the 6th Amendment rights of all Americans.

    • Nate says:

      You know what other country doesn’t have trial by jury and who the U.S. is quickly turning into a vassal of??? —> That’s right, the ‘State of Israel’.

      • pedro says:

        You really have no idea of how much the EU is into Israel. Ignorant people are so funny…

  5. MikeN says:

    Relax, Obama is shutting down Guantanamo and moving everyone there to a prison in Illinois. So you won’t be in the middle of nowhere, just Rockford.

  6. Indignant Idiot says:

    Why does this really surprise anyone?

    When you don’t do the right thing like vote (correctly). When you don’t ban products/companies you know should be banned. And when you don’t even deny ratings points to bad entertainment, problems like this tend to occur.

    “WTF?!” You ask? Read on…

    For example, if you patronize Hollywood by voting for your favorite “American Idol” contestant or even by watching the show (which really promotes poor values) then you probably think there’s no way you could actually be helping anyone take away your own rights. But ask yourself, WHERE THE FUCK DOES HOLLYWOOD GET THEIR MONEY?! By showing crap no one wants to see? And WHERE THE FUCK DO YOU THINK THAT MONEY GOES?! Into a bank account of those who “earned” it?! (Excuse me while I puke at the thought of anyone in Hollywood or Washington actually earning a buck.)

    But then let’s look at products like Apple’s iPad. It’s just an example, so see if you can follow along here. Do you really think it’s a good idea to pay a company money for an overly inflated product no matter how desirable that product or service is when those companies just spend their profits to keep legislators in their pockets? Do you really think Apple gives a damn about your rights or anything about you other than your ability to PAY?! And yet you still pay to basically get fucked in ways you probably never even saw coming. Microsoft too – maybe even more so.

    And there are plenty more examples!

    I, of all people, probably shouldn’t be quoting Shakespeare. But there was a quote in one of his stories that goes something like this: “…the fault is not in our stars but in ourselves!” So before you go protesting this or any other grab at power you just might want to ask yourself if maybe YOU didn’t have a little something to do with it.

    So get ready to start goose stepping across the Fatherland. Er, “Home Land”! It may not be Hitler leading the way but then, what’s a person’s name got to do with it? Or even his race?! I just find it all the more hilarious that the new Nazi regime is being led by a non Aryan leader. How much better can you get at pulling the wool over the sheeples eyes than THAT?

    I’m telling you! The REAL Nazi’s and REAL Communists have America’s number! They know American’s will ALWAYS over react to what they THINK is real evil. However, any real evil already knows that if you want to take over a country and it’s population that you begin with the COMMUNICATIONS – and in comes Hollywood!

    So condemn all those idiot power mongers in Washington all you want. But until we ALL realize where the REAL problem is, nothing is going to change for the better all that much. Your “rights” and even your HUMANITY will continue to erode as long as you ignore what’s really WRONG!

    • pedro says:

      Very well said

    • noname says:

      One of the 1st fundamental rules when in war or battle: disrupt and break the quality of your targets communications! Your target can maintain a larger quantity of communications during battle, but; it’s the quality that must be destroyed!

      The obvious act of war is to negatively influence your target. How best, then to distract your target and trick them into self misinformation?

      America, started as an experiment, where people (well informed people) would self-govern or self-manage. That’s why education/new-papers/community participation is essential to maintain our democracy!

      At work and at home, in order to be effective you need to be accurately and timely informed to make correct and wise decisions and choices!

      As America has shown, over and over in that last 60yrs, wars need not be declared and misinformation may come from both the private (cigarettes are good and sexy for you!) and the government sector (Vietnam, IRAQ, …)!

    • Captain Obvious says:

      You pulled Brutus from the quote. Tsk, tsk. You must be an underling.

  7. Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

    Most of you voted for this…voted for Obama.

    Don’t understand why there’s complaining now.

  8. The Monster's Lawyer says:

    I think I know the guy in the middle. The one with the black hood and orange coveralls.

  9. ECA says:

    I thought we were still under military law??

  10. Mr Show says:

    Chains you can believe in! Thanks BO…and his masters.

    • noname says:

      Still and always searching for that “catchy” lie? Elections over, the big rich liars lost. Get over it.

      Maybe if they tried telling meaningful truths, they would have won!

      Given the limited choices, Obama is defiantly the better one. He may not be the best possible choice; but, he is the best available choice.

      • pedro says:

        And you were doing so well…

        Now, tell us how there are no rich democrats, I need the laugh

        • noname says:

          pp(poor pedro) Still sore over your loss. You made it through Denial and now you’re struggling with Anger. Eventually you’ll get to Acceptance.

          Always remember pp, own your loss and take it as an opportunity to learn something new!

          • pedro says:

            If there’s someone who should know about denial is you. You’re part of the blog’s lefty loon elite denial team.

          • noname says:

            pp(poor pedro), are you another paranoid-schizoid or just clever; let the readers decide?

            You got me, yes we members of the lefty loon elite denial team meet twice a week in our lefty loon elite denial team secret hide away. There, we make our worldwide elite denial domination plans.

            Once a month, we have a conference call with the rest of our worldwide League of other lefty loon elite denial team members!

            Will the good pp thwart our lefty loon elite denial plans?

            Tune in latter — same pp-time, same pp-channel!

          • pedro says:

            So you’re now saying the same things to everyone. Tell us, do you also bang your head on the wall while saying the same thing over & over?

          • noname says:

            pp(poor pedro) still that angry looser!

            Get over yourself and try to be a productive member of society.

            Take your pills.

  11. idebenone says:

    Second, on its face, the statute does not affect the existing rights of United States citizens or other individuals arrested in the United States. See NDAA § 1021(e) (‘Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States, or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States.’).

  12. Gee those orange jump suit… they … they look so familiar. Just like the orange jump suits worn by the prisoners in Gitmo. Just like those jump suits worn by the victims of the freak Lindy England in AbuGhraib. Just like the jump suit worn by the late Nick Berg….

    https://www.google.com.sa/search?q=killed+nick+berg+abughraib&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a