For some reason, I’m thinking this may be a tad controversial in some circles.
[VP Joe] Biden indicated that President Barack Obama is considering executive action to address the gun issue, although he noted that it’s not yet clear what options may be plausible outside of legislative movement.
“The president is going to act,” Biden said. “There are executive orders, executive action that can be taken.”
[...]
“I want to make it clear that we are not going to get caught up in the notion of ‘unless we can do everything, we’re going to do nothing,’” Biden said. “It’s critically important that we act.”
Making guns illegal. Like making drugs illegal. How did that work out?
sargasso–Kudos to you. First rational on point argument made. Still wrong. But good. Lots of differences between drugs and guns and what it would take to control them.
I’ll leave it at that knowing that being intelligent enough to make the comment, you are also intelligent enough to know its deconstruction.
Ask Mexico how that’s working for them. Drugs and Guns are illegal there.
Whats your point? We aren’t a Catholic country hobbled by centuries of Colonial Rule.
Mexico IS more the example of what IS happening to the USA if we don’t get smart.
Thanks for the example.
Let it go already. You’re only digging yourself a deeper hole to get out from.
………and Prohibition
Hmmm…. Gee, I don’t think Bird Dog does have the intellectual heft of sargasso.
1. Ease/quality of home vs commercial production
2. Unit cost
3. Psychological and physical addiction vs cultural meme.
4. Ease of Detection
5. Social Attitudes towards the activities
Just a quick start.
So people who use firearms for sport, which is a large percentage of them, are suddenly one day going to use their firearms to become murderers? It must be scarey living in your world.
Personally, I am more afraid of the anti-gunners. They are the ones who are mentally unstable.
They are the ones who said after Dec 14 that the NRA and those involved with it should be killed.
And Piers Morgan and his anti crew on CNN ~Jan 08 called for the murder of Alex Jones and laughed about it.
I totally agree. I should be able to buy my booze, drugs and guns legally at ever corner store.
Correction. Every corner store. For that matter, why not at the local car dealership or nearest bank.
For a time as a kid (in the 50′s) our family lived in a rural Australian mining community where you could buy guns, morphine, dry ice, hard liquor and dynamite, from the corner store.
I long for the good old days
I bet anti-depressants and anti-psychotics were incredibly hard to find though.
Yet amazingly cheap and easy to find now.. thank you internet
Johnny Got His Gun says:
1/9/2013 at 6:42 pm
I didn’t do it Bozo, so its got nothing to do with me. /// You are an island of a man among the rest of us huh? How many coconuts on your fantasy island?
I obey all the laws, unlike the war criminal you voted for. /// Good, When guns are made illegal (no, I don’t think that will happen… only that it should in a sane society) then you will turn yours in. Good boy.
Try to get a grip. Its a tad embarrassing. /// Yes, actually connecting consequences to public policy instead of fantasy illusions is embarrassing. I guess you won’t be embarrassed if a loved one of yours is ever shot by some nut with a gun? All a part of your freedom?
Dolt.
The best part of scrolling through one hundred plus posts? Not reading any of Bobbo’s cut’s it down to about thirty.
But if you read Bobbo’s you see how a man fights to mend his self contradictions. Funny as hell.
What???? Pedro===I know you are speaking as a (man?) that blows donkeys in Public but that is really, I mean REALLY insulting. Declaring that I am self contradicting and not even thinking it appropriate to copy an example. I mean, how can I survive this scathing analysis of yours?
Oh, the horror. Its almost like you posted “For the Loose” after one of my posts.
The Shame.
Hmmm….am I more horrified or ashamed? Hard to tell, its such a complicated mix of emotions==like flowers in panty sand kind of thing.
Ha, ha.
“What???? Pedro===I know you are speaking as a (man?) that blows donkeys in Public but that is really”
Wow, that is very adult of you. What a child. I didn’t realize this blog was populated by 12 year olds.
You obviously don’t care all that much about donkeys and their hooved rights.
Silly Hooman.
I take it your fairly new to DU. This Pedro and donkey thing was brought up a few years ago when I was new to this blog.
Maybe an inside joke.
The joke was that I am a wetback, as per mustard words whenever he lost a discussion.
jp–thats true, good memory. I was quite shocked at the time how Mr Mustard paddled Pedros ass/donkey on that issue and a few others.
Still, Pedro seems to ride it quite well.
Some people, like me, have skin thick enough to handle those things.
Poor mustard, on the other hand, was unable to handle people posting on his behalf. What a wuss he was. Typical liberul.
Pedro–you do have thick skin, a sense of humor about it I think (hope). I miss Mustard. He took me to task more often and better than most.
….. yeah, I miss him.
Think I’ll put the donkey away. Not spicy on its own.
It used to be amusing, but over time its just became tiresome to see his tirades continue to argue the same points again and again even when they only make sense in his highly skewed view of the universe. Toss in his almost immediate jump to third grade histrionics of name calling and it’s just easier to scroll past him. He is just as delusional as any religious fanatic wrapped up comfortably in his beliefs he just calls his logic and theirs fantasy.
Thats the what?
Covered many times before, even earlier in this thread.
Pros and Cons to all we do. Take or deny as you will.
Same as it always is.
So what?
Yes I am an island of a man, completely separate and apart from idiots like your self. I don’t give a flying fuck about your cause, it has nothing to do with me. That’s the beauty of freedom, I don’t have to conform to your “group-think”.
I understand you passion for this subject, but I don’t agree with it. But Liberals like you want to force your ideas on people like me. You can spew all you want, and I really don’t care.
As long as you never tell me how to live MY life, we could probably get along. You see, how I live my life, as long as I am hurting no one, is really none of your business.
Johnny….. the whole point of “No man is an island…” is to succintly remind people of that simple fact: Reality.
You and I are not islands unto ourselves. What we do and don’t do directly and indirectly affects other people. Not by design or desire but by Reality.
Until you can accept the bedrock of Reality====>that we are all on this spaceship Earth together, then you are simply put: part of the problem.
Simple Truths.
Again with the lecture. When are Liberals going to get it through their fucking skulls that we don’t agree with your Globalist mindset? We reject it, we have an opinion that differs from your own. You need to respect that, and if you can’t respect that we have a right to our own opinion, then YOU will suffer the backlash. All we ask is that people like you stop demonizing us and leave us (the law abiding gun owners) alone.
Take that any way you want.
+1
I understand you passion for this subject
He isn’t passionate about anything other than attention.
That’s why he picks those subjects which are sure to generate tons of traffic and drools all over them.
If there were a verbal board, I would swear he likes to hear his only voice.
Just tell him to go away.
I laugh as I catch myself thinking: “What a loser…”>>> and look who has posted it. Liberty Loser himself.
Got nothing other than the whine of “Stop Trolling” or gainsaying the same effect from others.
You want to advance self centered points of view that are in the minority, you gotta be prepared to argue for them rather than whine about it.
Poor baby.
Go away, please. There’s no fish in this pond.
Wow! This is GREAT! I found some pictures of Bobbo here!
This explains everything.
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This is just too easy….
“As long as you never tell me how to live MY life, we could probably get along. You see, how I live my life, as long as I am hurting no one, is really none of your business.”
You sound like one of them there faggots! Nutt’n worse than a faggot with a gun!
Stop talking about yourself in the third person, sheeple!
Obama could by executive order declare that all government workers be unarmed. THey have been increasing the number of employees who carry weapons over the years. I think this site blogged about Education Department employees with weapons.
All mass shooters since 1999.
The rate of people killed by guns in the US is 19.5 times higher than similar high-income countries in the world. In the last 30 years since 1982, America has mourned at least 61 mass murders. Below is a timeline of mass shootings in the US since the Columbine High massacre:
December 11, 2012. On Tuesday, 22-year-old Jacob Tyler Roberts killed 2 people and himself with a stolen rifle in Clackamas Town Center, Oregon. His motive is unknown.
September 27, 2012. Five were shot to death by 36-year-old Andrew Engeldinger at Accent Signage Systems in Minneapolis, MN. Three others were wounded. Engeldinger went on a rampage after losing his job, ultimately killing himself.
August 5, 2012. Six Sikh temple members were killed when 40-year-old US Army veteran Wade Michael Page opened fire in a gurdwara in Oak Creek, Wisconsin. Four others were injured, and Page killed himself.
July 20, 2012. During the midnight premiere of The Dark Knight Rises in Aurora, CO, 24-year-old James Holmes killed 12 people and wounded 58. Holmes was arrested outside the theater.
May 29, 2012. Ian Stawicki opened fire on Cafe Racer Espresso in Seattle, WA, killing 5 and himself after a citywide manhunt.
April 6, 2012. Jake England, 19, and Alvin Watts, 32, shot 5 black men in Tulsa, Oklahoma, in racially motivated shooting spree. Three died.
April 2, 2012. A former student, 43-year-old One L. Goh killed 7 people at Oikos University, a Korean Christian college in Oakland, CA. The shooting was the sixth-deadliest school massacre in the US and the deadliest attack on a school since the 2007 Virginia Tech massacre.
February 27, 2012. Three students were killed by Thomas “TJ” Lane, another student, in a rampage at Chardon High School in Chardon, OH. Three others were injured.
October 14, 2011. Eight people died in a shooting at Salon Meritage hair salon in Seal Beach, CA. The gunman, 41-year-old Scott Evans Dekraai, killed six women and two men dead, while just one woman survived. It was Orange County’s deadliest mass killing.
September 6, 2011. Eduardo Sencion, 32, entered an IHOP restaurant in Carson City, NV and shot 12 people. Five died, including three National Guard members.
January 8, 2011. Former Rep. Gabby Giffords (D-AZ) was shot in the head when 22-year-old Jared Loughner opened fire on an event she was holding at a Safeway market in Tucson, AZ. Six people died, including Arizona District Court Chief Judge John Roll, one of Giffords’ staffers, and a 9-year-old girl. 19 total were shot. Loughner has been sentenced to seven life terms plus 140 years, without parole.
August 3, 2010. Omar S. Thornton, 34, gunned down Hartford Beer Distributor in Manchester, CT after getting caught stealing beer. Nine were killed, including Thornton, and two were injured.
November 5, 2009. Forty-three people were shot by Army psychiatrist Nidal Malik Hasan at the Fort Hood army base in Texas. Hasan reportedly yelled “Allahu Akbar!” before opening fire, killing 13 and wounding 29 others.
April 3, 2009. Jiverly Wong, 41, opened fire at an immigration center in Binghamton, New York before committing suicide. He killed 13 people and wounded 4.
March 29, 2009. Eight people died in a shooting at the Pinelake Health and Rehab nursing home in Carthage, NC. The gunman, 45-year-old Robert Stewart, was targeting his estranged wife who worked at the home and survived. Stewart was sentenced to life in prison.
February 14, 2008. Steven Kazmierczak, 27, opened fire in a lecture hall at Northern Illinois University, killing 6 and wounding 21. The gunman shot and killed himself before police arrived. It was the fifth-deadliest university shooting in US history.
February 7, 2008. Six people died and two were injured in a shooting spree at the City Hall in Kirkwood, Missouri. The gunman, Charles Lee Thornton, opened fire during a public meeting after being denied construction contracts he believed he deserved. Thornton was killed by police.
December 5, 2007. A 19-year-old boy, Robert Hawkins, shot up a department store in the Westroads Mall in Omaha, NE. Hawkins killed 9 people and wounded 4 before killing himself. The semi-automatic rifle he used was stolen from his stepfather’s house.
April 16, 2007. Virginia Tech became the site of the deadliest school shooting in US history when a student, Seung-Hui Choi, gunned down 56 people. Thirty-two people died in the massacre.
February 12, 2007. In Salt Lake City’s Trolley Square Mall, 5 people were shot to death and 4 others were wounded by 18-year-old gunman Sulejman Talović. One of the victims was a 16-year-old boy.
October 2, 2006. An Amish schoolhouse in Lancaster, PA was gunned down by 32-year-old Charles Carl Roberts, Roberts separated the boys from the girls, binding and shooting the girls. 5 young girls died, while 6 were injured. Roberts committed suicide afterward.
March 25, 2006. Seven died and 2 were injured by 28-year-old Kyle Aaron Huff in a shooting spree through Capitol Hill in Seattle, WA. The massacre was the worst killing in Seattle since 1983.
March 21, 2005. Teenager Jeffrey Weise killed his grandfather and his grandfather’s girlfriend before opening fire on Red Lake Senior High School, killing 9 people on campus and injuring 5. Weise killed himself.
March 12, 2005. A Living Church of God meeting was gunned down by 44-year-old church member Terry Michael Ratzmann at a Sheraton hotel in Brookfield, WI. Ratzmann was thought to have had religious motivations, and killed himself after executing the pastor, the pastor’s 16-year-old son, and 7 others. Four were wounded.
July 8, 2003. Doug Williams, a Lockheed Martin employee, shot up his plant in Meridian, MS in a racially-motivated rampage. He shot 14 people, most of them African American, and killed 7 before killing himself.
December 26, 2000. Edgewater Technology employee Michael “Mucko” McDermott shot and killed seven of his coworkers at the office in Wakefield, MA. McDermott claimed he had “traveled back in time and killed Hitler and the last 6 Nazis.” He was sentenced to 7 consecutive life sentences.
September 15, 1999. Larry Gene Ashbrook opened fire on a Christian rock concert and teen prayer rally at Wedgewood Baptist Church in Fort Worth, TX. He killed 7 people and wounded 7 others, almost all teenagers. Ashbrook committed suicide.
July 29, 1999. Mark Orrin Barton, 44, murdered his wife and two children with a hammer before shooting up two Atlanta day trading firms. Barton, a day trader, was believed to be motivated by huge monetary losses. He killed 12 including his family and injured 13 before killing himself.
April 20, 1999. In the deadliest high school shooting in US history, teenagers Eric Harris and Dylan Kiebold shot up Columbine High School in Littleton, CO. They killed 13 people and wounded 21 others. They killed themselves after the massacre.
jp–you missed the cause celeb of Newton with the 26 Dead including 22 or so 5-6 year olds?
also–I think the multiple is x40 for Australia and/or England. I think of them as “high income” nations. Not that x20 isn’t bad enough to establish the relationship between availability of guns and gun violence.
All kinds of evil, people not going to jail, in the GOUSA.
Its culture. As evil and stupid for us as when we see evil and stupid in other cultures.
Some call it freedom.
Go to YouTube and watch the video v=N9efqhGBHZI
The title is: “Ben Swann REALITY CHECK for Piers Morgan Gun Stats”
When you actually take the time to look at the real stats, you can see where the anti-gun people are pushing agenda and not truth.
By your own anti-gun admissions, if a country had 100 firearm deaths per year, then we better ban guns.
And if that country then changes to 100 stabbing deaths per year, you celebrate that you disarmed the “crazy gun-toting” people.
Dead = dead. Murder = murder.
The tool used does not matter to the murderer.
Nor do laws, or whether the weapon was illegal or not.
The problem is NOT guns, or bows and arrows, or knives, or baseball bats, or tire irons, or fertilizer and diesel bombs, it is that the world has a percentage of evil people who want to harm others, and they will do it with whatever means is available to them. Even if they have to obtain that means illegally.
All that banning anything like guns does is remove/infringe the rights of the SIGNIFICANTLY larger group of people who would otherwise use the banned object without any harm to others.
In the USA, 96%+ of the firearm related murders are caused by people with criminal records.
You need to start getting rid of these criminals who do not want to adhere to proper social values and rules. Lock them up, send them to the moon, or send them to their maker. Only that will solve the vast majority of the problem.
But I realize that even if any anti were to intellectually understand and agree with what I just said, they would still want to ban guns out of emotion because of the psychological disconnect they have with reality, hoplophobia and irrational fear of inanimate objects is a problem with a percentage of the population.
The truth of the matter is, anyone who thinks that banning guns will stop or even decrease murder is a fool with no concept of reality.
I’ve been listening all day to the “cold dead hands” guys yell and scream that Obama acting through executive order against guns will be totally unconstitutional and outside his powers. While it may be the former, I think the later may not be the case.
During the administration of Bush the elder, the Secretary of Education, William Bennett, recommended the temporary administrative halt of “assault weapon” import in response to the attack on schoolchildren in Stockton, California by Patrick Purdy. Later the import halt was codified into law.
During the Clinton Administration, Secretary of the Treasury, Lloyd Bentsen, had several shotguns declared to be “Destructive Devices” based upon a determination that they had a bore diameter over one-half inch (as most all shotguns 28 gauge and larger do), and their sinister appearances.
Indeed, most any gun part, including rifle scopes, tripods, and magazines are all imported into the USA only after import paperwork is filed and approved administratively. All these things could be halted by Whitehouse edict, for at least a short period of time.
Guns manufactured and sold in the US are more of a problem as their sale, while regulated by law is not strictly under the behest of the whims of the executive branch as are firearms imports. Still, I could see administrative foot-dragging in the realm of the instant-check system. While it would be illegal for the executive branch to order all instant-checks to be stopped, I could foresee them ordering a temporary halt to verify the accuracy and integrity of the system.
I’m not hoping for any of this. I just won’t be surprised whatever happens.
I think the instant check has been written as an ‘opt-in’ system. If nothing comes back, it is presumed OK to sell.
The liberty of a free people comes from the ballot box, the jury box, and the cartridge box. Frederick Douglas
Cute. What else ya got?
Different times my man. I don’t need a gun to have freedom. And the right to own a gun is for a militia to use to fight for liberty, and shoot the occasional varmint.
Back in the mid 70′s my Dad had open heart surgery down in Texas. I was a teen and stayed behind to watch my brother and sisters. My Mom went with Dad to Houston for the surgery and Dr. Debakey did a triple bypass. What I’m getting at is that while in Texas Mom was shocked at the men walking around with machetes and pistols. I didn’t know there were jungles or high noon shoot-outs in Texas. But Mom painted a picture of fear and scary men with all sorts of weapons.
You know I’m being facetious, but that’s how I remember Mom telling us about Texas.
As the president said, if your actions result in only saving one life, they’re worth taking.
“As the president said, if your actions result in only saving one life, they’re worth taking.”
He and you are an idiots!
So should we all start driving 10 miles an hour. Just thing how many lives that will save. Lets ground all planes so we have no more plane crashes. Lets close all hospitals since it will save more lives since there will be no more medical errors.
The difference is that your ideas have a downside.
Johnny Got His Gun says:
1/9/2013 at 8:45 pm
Again with the lecture. /// No lecture, just a simple point universally accepted/recognized by all thinking people.
When are Liberals going to get it through their fucking skulls that we don’t agree with your Globalist mindset? /// Hard to disagree with someone and not recognize that you disagree?
We reject it, we have an opinion that differs from your own. You need to respect that, /// Every nut case has “an opinion.” Opinions are only worth the facts, analysis, and reality that backs them up.
and if you can’t respect that we have a right to our own opinion, /// of course you have that “right” in that limited sense. How can you argue for your rights by denying others their own, all in the same breath? The unrecognizing childish self centered of this is striking.
then YOU will suffer the backlash. /// The backlash of the limp noodle you profer by this inanity? Ohhhh…. we are all terrified.
All we ask is that people like you stop demonizing us /// Oh, poor baby. You being demonized. Yes, quite the man. Need another clip?
and leave us (the law abiding gun owners) alone. /// Turn in that mutlishot penis substitute child. You ain’t man enough to discharge it.
Take that any way you want. /// Just as I have. Your position cannot be reasonably supported without taking responsibility for what it causes: Death of Innocent People.
I say 50K deaths per year due to car accidents is WORTH the mobility and life style it allows the general public. All steps should continue to license, monitor, and enforce safe driving laws. Top Heavy, over sized vehicles should be outlawed and specialty licensed for limited purpose jobs and so forth.
Guns should be illegal as the need for a counterbalance to over reaching government is fantasy nonsense, food is available in stores, and self protection is factually not true as a group statistic. You want inoperable/non-modifiable works of art?==Thats just fine. With that, happy to leave you alone.
Easy Peasy….. and not a dry eye in the house.
The disgusting part of all this is how libs are busting their ass to pass legislation while Newtown is fresh in the publics mind. Gotta take advantage of that grief right guys?
I have never seen such a sanctimonious, smug, and self satisfied bunch as Bloomberg, Morgan, Feinstein, Cuomo, et al. Every one of them trying to get as much press as possible.
Next Lie says:
1/9/2013 at 9:34 pm
The disgusting part of all this is how libs are busting their ass to pass legislation while Newtown is fresh in the publics mind. /// There you go again! Much more disgusting is trying to shut up any public discourse on the subject or having Wayne LaP9ierre come out and say the only solution is more guns. Give me/the public a BREAK!!! Guns kill people==lets get rid of them.
Gotta take advantage of that grief right guys? /// If not now…. then when? But yes–action is easier to take when/after tragedy hits so people can more clearly connect the CONSEQUENCES of public policies. Nice rhetoric from the Gun Nut crowd though. Jesus was anti-gun. You remember Jesus right? The man that walked on water showing the Gun Nuts that he couldn’t swim? Gun Nuts complaining Christians only worshipping him after he died?==that kind of stupidity posing as a response?
I have never seen such a sanctimonious, smug, and self satisfied bunch as Bloomberg, Morgan, Feinstein, Cuomo, et al. /// Well–they certainly have no business being self satisfied===UNTIL THE FREAKING GUN LAWS ARE CHANGED. But again, I appreciate the red herrings. Got more clips?
Every one of them trying to get as much press as possible. /// Yes, its about time. Imagine what will happen if another group of kiddies is MASSACRED any time soon? I know, I know…. just a necessary coincidence caused by lack of an armed, body armored, private gun carrying citizen posted every 10 feet in public. Bazookas and Machine Guns to be allowed on private property—for protection of course.
Silly Gun Nuts.
@bobbo
You are really going off of the deep end away from reality on this.
“Guns kill people”
More people die from car crashes. Cars kill people.
More people die from cigarettes. Cigarettes kill people.
More people die from cancer. Cancer kills people.
More children die from starvation, why are you not feeding the children?
And don’t try the old anti “guns were made for killing” as that is complete bull.
“Jesus was anti-gun.”
What???
Guns were not even invented at the time of Jesus.
Are you this totally far from reality?
And if you want the truth about what Jesus thought and said, you had better read the bible, because Jesus was FOR personally arming yourself against the street criminals of his day, and he was FOR open carry of personal protection, what would be classified as an open carry handgun today.
Luke 22:36 is only one example scripture:
“and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one”
Please stop with the emotional and illogical nonsense.
But start farming right after…..
they shall beat their swords into plowshares
Isaiah 2:3-4
Actually, they are hoping for a second shooting to really push public opinion in their favor.
…………and there’s another disgusting idea projected onto the reasonable gun limitations side.
Funny how many liberals buy guns, extended clips, ammo and load the guns up and find some good old boy to liquor up and force the weapon on him with the advice to go fight for his freedom.
Happens every few hours in the USA. Very evil these people who want to limit mindless violence.
If a law is put forward that addresses a need and would actually prevent others from being harmed then perhaps it is worth considering.
On the other hand very few laws relating to preventing violence by preventing citizens owning firearms have been demonstrated to have done much if anything to limit violence. At best they are acts of showmanship in which shallow thinking hacks get to take center stage and pretend to have done something useful.
Must murders seem to occur in cities of more than 250,000 people and most of the murders in those cities seem to occur in certain specific neighborhoods.
If I recall correctly more people are bludgeoned to death than shot and killed and more people are beaten to death with fists than either or at least that is what the FBI says.
“At best they are acts of showmanship in which shallow thinking hacks get to take center stage and pretend to have done something useful. ”
EXACTLY!
do-ill always insightful when it comes to the common good says:
1/9/2013 at 11:07 pm
If a law is put forward that addresses a need and would actually prevent others from being harmed then perhaps it is worth considering. /// Yea!==There ya go! Sure hope you don’t spoil this by devolving into something entirely self centered, factually wrong, and irrelevant.
On the other hand /// Oops…. this ain’t smelling real good…
very few laws relating to preventing violence by preventing citizens owning firearms have been demonstrated to have done much if anything to limit violence. /// Yeah, because you know the prohibition on machine guns, bazookas, teflon coated shells, just hasn’t curtailed their use.
At best they are acts of showmanship in which shallow thinking hacks get to take center stage and pretend to have done something useful. /// Yeah, because two recent mass shooters were taken down when they stopped shooting to load a new clip is just “showmanship” that banning large clips/drums would not save a few people…. with the downside of such ban being ABSOLUTELY NON EXISTENT.
Must murders seem to occur in cities of more than 250,000 people and most of the murders in those cities seem to occur in certain specific neighborhoods. /// I’ll accept that “idea.” And those murders don’t count?–or whats your point Country Boy? … and what about the other murders? I assume they don’t count either because you know==you got your guns so screw everyone else?
If I recall correctly more people are bludgeoned to death than shot and killed and more people are beaten to death with fists than either or at least that is what the FBI says. /// Hmmm… the “mass fisting” I have read about were of something else.
Do-ill must be an NRA Shill===one paid by the Gun Manufacturers to keep their commercial enterprise legal and prospering. Just heard the NRA is campaigning against totally voluntary buy back programs because they want the guns to be in circulation. Thats the kind of single mindedness that should not be ignored===even by the membersheeple of the NRA.
Guns Kill People. Let’s all grow up shall we?
I’m so tired of liberals imposing their will on good people. If a liberal is scared then we need to ban it. These are the same folks that brought us the brilliance of ban bullying. Liberals brought us the federal reserve, the United Nations, the last assault weapons ban (can you say columbine?). Don’t these “people” ever get tired of being scared?
It seems that it’s really time to discuss splitting the country. The coasts can go their own way and tax themselves to oblivion and Texas and the central states can continue to live as they see fit. Low taxes, guns galore, death penalty and so on.
I am still surprised that nobody has recommended that we don’t ban obortion outright. The liberals are so very worried about murders all of a sudden. Heaven forbid they continue murdering the innocent to the time of thousands a year.
Say Sheep–who’s more ascardey cat: someone who needs a gun to feel secure, or someone who can face the world without one?
I’m sure you’ll continue your wild projection fantasies in every case.
What else do you Hate about Democracy?
I use firearms for target practice and hunting.
I’m not afraid nor do I need a firearm to feel secure.
My firearms are locked in a safe, so they are not even available to me while I am away or if someone was to break in while I was sleeping.
A baseball bat however is beside the bed…
But you want to take away my choice and freedom of having a sport and obtaining food.
And what does democracy have to do with an Executive Order to ban something that is guaranteed in the constitution?
That smells of non-democracy to me.
Overdue.
Overdue is the mildew cleaning of your brain.
When a single one of you anti-gun people learn enough about a firearm to stop saying clips then you will sound intelligent enough to hold a conversation on the subject. Otherwise you are just showing your ignorance.
Diesel–what term do you think is more/most appropriate and once I use that term instead of “clip” how has anything else changed?
Rather anal and low brow to think only the term you use is the appropriate one don’t you think… or as Sheeple might think, why are you forcing your liberal terminology on the rest of us who only want to secede from the USA and form our own countries?
Because if you can’t even use the proper terminology in any discussion anything you say after that is moot.
It’s just like saying the tube the bullet comes out of on a gun is called a doorknob. It makes you sound like an idiot to people who actually do more about firearms than you do. It isn’t liberal technology either, it is a fact.
Very few firearms use clips and certainly none of those “evil” black ones, they use magazines. Continue to use the term clip if you wish and you will continue to sound ignorant in any discussion but I know for a fact that you are not ignorant (on most things).
Silly hooman
You are right, I don’t know the terminology–but I do know people who claim an expertise based on nothing more than a technical vocabulary base are most often complete bullshiters.
I assume some multiple shot weapons have clips, and some have magazines, and some might have combinations of both or of some third choice?
I issues are clear, as is your avoidance.
So obvious…. it would hurt if it was a pain.
Several decades of experience with firearms, several years of competitive shooting (at paper) and Captain of a military installation pistol team along with teaching Navy SEALs to shoot in competition (once).
I’m not a bullshitter when it comes to firearms.
I still have never seen one jump up and shoot without a person attached.
I don’t doubt at all your expertise in the area of guns and shooting. You are full of it though to think that such expertise informs you at all as to the social consequences of various different gun policy positions, or more to the point that people without such weapons expertise have nothing to say about the effects of gun policy on society.
Most Emergency Room Doctors don’t know the difference between a clip and a magazine. They only know how to remove a bullet from your body when a victim is hauled in. Who do you want to perform that service? Wayne LaPierre or a qualified Doc? Each body of knowledge to its own applicable issues. No mixing them up.
Two different issues that you proudly confuse.
@bobbo
So on a firearm, what’s that shoulder thing that goes up?
Again, irrationally relating the crime with the tool.
In the USA more people are murdered with clubs and fists, when do we start banning those?
In the UK more people are murdered with knives, when do we start banning those?
We should do like medieval Japan & China. Start using chopsticks to eat and pre-cut everything in the kitchen. No more knives or forks at a table, they’re dangerous.
But that evil weapon of war II, the original M1 Garand, had a clip with a capacity of 8 rounds. Hmmm, we will still be able to buy that.
No, no, barrel shrouds must be banned.
150 comments! Nutt’n gets Teapublicans riled up like God, Guns and Gays !
That’s true, I’m glad I’m not a Teapublican.
Same here.
I guess Bobbo is, though. He’s drooled here more than anyone.
Guilty as charged. A few others here have the needed shovels, but I’ve got the hip waders too.
Just another of a long series of issues where no body learns anything and everyone sticks to their long held belief systems.
I do wonder how many people read any of these threads and have a change of position? A new idea? I do on rare occasion. Do get a chuckle quite often thhough==even when not rereading my own posts.
Doo Dah!
Bozo the Troll gets around! We are not the only place he lurks.
See these links to learn more! (I think you will find them VERY interesting!)
http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=13420
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I hope your outrage over the possibility of maybe imposing the opportunity to recommend a cautionary bill for consideration of assault military rifles is at least equal to the slaughter of children
What is an assault military rifle? Bobbo would say words mean things.
Look up the difference, use Wikipedia, I’ll wait.
Assault rifle
Assault weapon
Wiki:
An assault rifle is a selective fire (selectable among either fully automatic, burst-capable, or, sometimes, semi-automatic modes of operation) rifle that uses an intermediate cartridge and a detachable magazine. It should be distinguished from the US legal term assault weapons.
Wiki:
In the United States “assault weapons” are usually defined in legislation as semi-automatic firearms that have certain features generally associated with military firearms, including assault rifles. Some definitions in “assault weapon” legislation under consideration (in 2013) are much broader to the point of including the majority of firearms, e.g. to include all semi-automatic firearms or all firearms with detachable magazines. The 1994 Federal Assault Weapons Ban, which expired on September 13, 2004, codified the definition of an assault weapon. It defined the rifle type of assault weapon as a semiautomatic firearm with the ability to accept a detachable magazine and two or more of the following:
-a folding or telescoping stock
-a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon
-a bayonet mount
-a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor
-a grenade launcher
Oh, please. You could care less about the children.
You want to protect the children? Grab a club and charge a lunatic brandishing a rifle he broke 46 laws to get. I’m sure he won’t break law 47: Murder.
Unless you are willing to do that, let those who actually know something about self-defense make the decisions.
Your idea of posting an armed guard at points of public gathering is no more foolproof than curtailing the accessibility of assault weapons. Get off your high horse.
In addition my post had more to do about your jumping up and down of a potential restriction than its effectiveness
Where have I ever said posting an armed guard was the answer?
Dude, go back on your meds. You’re seeing things.
Poor DUllass getting his panties in a bunch. You should stop wearing them.
I hope your outrage over certain jerk-offs taking advantage of the resulting publicity to advance their personal political ends is as great as your outrage of the slaughter of children.
Why does every dumbcrap look at every tragedy as an opportunity?
If you want to be part of the well regulated militia Join the National Guard!!
The argument below has been presented in federal court and to date has not been refuted, legally.
“It is the NRA’s view, based on law (Article 1, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution; Title 10, U.S. Code, Section 311(a)), court precedents, and legal historical interpretation, that all able-bodied persons, explicitly those between the ages of 17 and 45, are members of the federal unorganized militia, except members of the organized state guards … the National Guards of the various states (which also serve as a part of the National Guard of the United States, a military reserve subject to nationalization by the President of the United States), and certain government officials. An “organized citizen militia” must be created under the Constitution itself and/or the laws of a state.
“Title 10, U.S.C., clearly affirms the existence of the citizen militia; it is little changed since the original Militia Act of 1792 (except for the addition in this century of recognition of the third type of militia, the federally supported National Guard, in addition to the enrolled and unenrolled militia).
“Further, the individual right to own firearms is guaranteed by the Constitution, but the right to own firearms is not at all dependent upon the militia clause. The militia clause of the Second Amendment merely adds to the reason for the right, which is a common law right rooted in the right of protection of self, family, and community.
“The Second Amendment guarantees an individual’s right to arms; participation in a citizen militia organization does not make that right more valid nor any stronger.”
Irrelevant side issue.
With your close reading of the Constitution–is the right to bear arms “connected” in any way to a well regulated Militia? If not, what is the purpose of that introductory language? Why not just say it straight out: “All men can have arms?”
You too can be smarter/more honest/less corrupted than a Supreme Court judge. Just read and give purpose to “all” the words of the Constitution.
Please go away. No fish in this pond either.
….. or you can’t be any smarter.
No fish for you.
A well-crafted pepperoni pizza, being necessary to the preservation of a diverse menu, the right of the people to keep and cook tomatoes, shall not be infringed.
No one (except for maybe bobbo) has said ban all firearms so your post isn’t part of the argument.
People want a commonsense solution to the problem. It is unfortunate that both sides will line up and fire lies at the other.
Fair call Diesel. My ideal would be no guns except for specialized police forces and the military. Crime to be fought by man power, radios, and computers.
but I recognize my position is too extreme left. Too reasonable. Too 21st Century. So–No assault rifles, no hand guns, no extended clips, no exceptions to background checks for ALL transfers, all data bases to be linked. Enhanced penalties for possession/use of illegal guns.
Boys and can still their toys and I would guess depending on the nature of the programs selected (gun buy backs, sweeps, etc) that the gun death rates in the GOUSA would start to fall in 5-10 years.
Success is measurable progress towards a worthwhile goal. Don’t you agree?
Sure, I’ll wave my hand and poof, no more guns.
Now give back to police and the military firearms. Assuming the asshat in the White House doesn’t jack boot everyone what do you think will happen next?
Crooks steal the guns and kill people.
History repeats itself.
Now Mr Diesel–Shirley you can read more closely than that? I SAID 5-10 YEARS, because I recognize/expect initial resistance and ham fisted stupidity on the part of the ATF.
I’ll post again: when guns are illegal, then only criminal will have guns. And that will be a good thing. Make their arrest and incarceration that much easier. Over time, the gun culture will change. The alternative, much like Global Warming, will just be conditions getting worse and worse.
Progress…. requires change. What a concept.
I like this idea of linking of the databases. Fortunately that information will never be misused.
Why stop at guns? Lets link medical databases. Don’t forget all gun nuts are … well nuts.
Brave new world you got there Mr. Orwell.
I was responding to Harry’s post on militias — I thought I was fairly on-topic with my reply.
Yes I can read Bobbo and don’t call me Shirley.
Sooner or later makes no difference and as you point out only criminals will have the guns. You imply that it will be easier at that point. Let’s see, the argument you are trying to use is that when only criminals have guns we can then arrest them and the problems with guns are solved. It sounds like you just made the case for the gun supporters. Why not speed it up and with no more legislation needed you can arrest criminals with guns today can’t you?
Sooner or later is of no consequence, we can arrest criminals today that are in violation of the laws.
I’m not following you Diesel. Australia and England are similar to USA. They allowed guns but coincidentally both had mass shootings in 1996 and within weeks both passed stringent gun control laws. Australia had a large gun by back program. Neither country has had a Mass Shooting since and both had dramatic death by gun reductions.
I assume USA is more gun crazy than Australia or England, but over time, the culture could change==one reason I don’t think a beat cop needs a gun. That might legitimately be phased in as the statistics warrant.
Right now–a cop sees suspicious activity and he stops a car. Dudes are armed or have weapons in the car but they are “legal” and nothing the cop can do but let them go knowing they are up to no good. when only criminals have guns, those same dudes can be arrest for gun violations (if they are).
Simple. No reason it shouldn’t work just as machine guns are being made and sold. Reduce people to the lower weapons of choice. If after a few decades, it turns out even more people get killed by knives, arrows, hammers or bats==then sure==rearm the people. History informs us it just ain’t the fact.
Our culture is different than other countries where have taken away the people’s freedoms. I care what our Declaration of Indepndence and Constitution says, not what other countries lawmakers want to do to their people.
Males overseas like having sex with boys at 12. That’s their culture and while I find it disgusting IT IS THEIR country.
Mass shootings are only part of the problem. The biggest mass killings didn’t involve firearms.
To me a firearm is just a tool, like hammer or wrench. It was designed to do a job. In my case protect my family.
Mass shootings are a side effect of either losing ones job and mind. Other shootings are the crazy machinations of young men feeling impotent in todays society. I’m no doctor but some people just loose the ability to see that they need help and instead inflict injury and death upon the helpless. They don’t go after armed civilians or professionals, only the helpless.
I’m a middle of the road progressive. I believe in the Republic and the right to bear arms. I also condone the helping of the poor and especially the elderly.
This story caught my attention, a woman at home with small children defends herself and family by plugging a would be daytime intruder. So bobbo tell me what do you recommend the helpless do to ensure the safety of themselves and their children when the boogeymen comes at your door with a crow bar. Don’t answer with the usual answer like calling the authorities. By the time police arrive it could be too late.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=k7EfiSsQW2Y
Like I said 4 years ago:
Barack Obama, the LAST President of a “United States”.
Whaaaa whaaaa. The negro won
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Whaaa
It’s the end of the white rule
Mulatto
Words mean things.
For a histrionic queen like DUllass, making things bigger than they are is a must