For some reason, I’m thinking this may be a tad controversial in some circles.
[VP Joe] Biden indicated that President Barack Obama is considering executive action to address the gun issue, although he noted that it’s not yet clear what options may be plausible outside of legislative movement.
“The president is going to act,” Biden said. “There are executive orders, executive action that can be taken.”
[...]
“I want to make it clear that we are not going to get caught up in the notion of ‘unless we can do everything, we’re going to do nothing,’” Biden said. “It’s critically important that we act.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ooa98FHuaU0
Nice video worth watching. Crime stats are down with most experts opining its our criminal youth growing older.
What he had mostly done is introduce the false assumption that we can only deal with one issue at a time? As in==lets address why crime is higher in large cities and ignore overall crime.
I do agree the FBI data base is a good objective one. Data bases of worth are collected by set definitions that are easy to follow and not for any particular purpose.
Facts.
Do you let facts and analysis guide your opinion or do you rely on what you grew up with, how you feel, what you were last told, or some trusted other source?
Makes a big difference.
Rule One of statistics: DO NOT CONFUSE CORRELATION WITH CAUSATION.
100% of all serial killers drank milk as children. (Notice what I didn’t do there?)
Fact: more children are killed by bee stings than assault rifles each year. (Drowning is the #1 cause of death for young children. Firearm death doesn’t even make the chart.)
According the Brady Center, 8 kids are shot and killed a day and 38 injured.
The total is about 20,000 a year.
By any measure, that’s a huge and tragic number.
We can’t do much about bees but we can do something about guns.
http://bradycampaign.org/xshare/Facts/Gun_Death_and_Injury_Stat_Sheet_2008__2009_FINAL.pdf
(I really gotta learn to check people’s claimed facts before I post!)
About 50 people die a year because of bees, (of all ages. )
http://webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/insect-stings
There are about 4,000 drownings, (of all ages.)
http://cdc.gov/homeandrecreationalsafety/water-safety/waterinjuries-factsheet.html
your “facts” are wrong, flat out wrong. You quoted CDC for the other info, try using the CDC or NIH (my personal source).
THe “brady” center may start with facts (or probably not) but they massage them into absolute meaningless bullshit.
8 children a day killed by guns? Nope.
The schools are already mini prisons anyway, lets just surround them with barbed wire fences and be done with it.
Solved. Now maybe you guys can get some actual work done.
And let’s not forget that the biggest (most numerous AND most dangerous) threats to students come from inside the school itself.
I worked at a tough urban high school and there was minimal security.
We had a lock-down drill but no metal detectors or anything like that. I never saw a student with a gun.
Guns were still a problem though. When a fight would break-out, the kids could go get a gun in about five minutes. Needless to say, this escalated the conflict.
Lock-up rules, strictly enforced, would help that.
I mean gun lock-up rules. Guns safes, or similar. Not the kids!
Nowhere did I say that the danger in schools was from guns.
You’re so focused on guns that you can’t see anything else.
You probably haven’t noticed but I tend to be liberal (VERY liberal) on most subjects but this is one area where the liberals have it absolutely WRONG.
This is like trying to prevent heroin abuse by banning spoons. Easy target, minimal results.
deegee making a number of revealing comments says:
1/10/2013 at 11:55 am
So people who use firearms for sport, which is a large percentage of them, are suddenly one day going to use their firearms to become murderers? It must be scarey living in your world. /// Again, the concept of being afraid is raised by our gun toting totally reasonable faction.
Personally, I am more afraid of the anti-gunners. They are the ones who are mentally unstable. /// More Fear.
They are the ones who said after Dec 14 that the NRA and those involved with it should be killed. /// First I have heard of it. Good to have specialized news hounds to sniff these whackos out. Anyone threatening anyone else should be “checked out.” Too easy to get a gun and kill someone else you so vehemently disagree with. You see how that works?===> Nut Ball ranting on the Web-easy to ignore, challenge, try to educate. Nut Ball with a gun?==>I too would be afraid….. because ……. guns kill.
And Piers Morgan and his anti crew on CNN ~Jan 08 called for the murder of Alex Jones and laughed about it. //// My guess is that Gun Nut Alex Jones is more mouth than threat, but that could be an error on my part. If Piers/Crew/Jones make any direct threats of murder, they should be interviewed and cautioned at the minimum by the Police. Placing a “Good Man with a Gun” outside the Studios, or Obama sending crack fueled hit men to shadow Jones would not be prudent.
DeeGee–what you demonstrate above is exactly what makes America the most Gun Deadly Rich Society on Earth: our Gun Culture where men feel inadequate without a gun. You probably confuse the safety measures you have taken with your guns for why you have guns in the first place. You like to shoot guns as you grew up doing. A child hood fixation by express statement.
Grow Up.
deegee says:
1/10/2013 at 11:55 am
So people who use firearms for sport, which is a large percentage of them, are suddenly one day going to use their firearms to become murderers? //// I can see the power of this experience/context for you and the many gun owners similarly situated. Sadly, the same “system” that you could live responsibly in is the same system that is creating more deaths from Guns in the USA than any other Rich/Western Country==not by a little bit but by multiples of x10, x20, x30, x40 … etc. Rather than argue as you do that “Guns don’t Kill People” (nonsense on its face making you a bit of a Nut) you should be in support of reasonable gun controls. You aren’t because of the slippery slope argument and what you continue with:
It must be scarey living in your world. //// Covered Above.
deegee warming to his subject starts to rotate and says:
1/10/2013 at 11:21 am
Go to YouTube and watch the video xxx http://youtube.com/watch?v=N9efqhGBHZI
The title is: “Ben Swann REALITY CHECK for Piers Morgan Gun Stats” /// Yes, he starts by saying of course a country that outlaws guns will have less death by guns. Very penetrating argument against guns? Ha, ha. He then goes on to show that the gun violence is higher than what Morgan stated==whatever as the gun deaths are still a fraction as that in the USA. He then goes on to compare the higher violent crime rate in England compared to the USA. Violent as in==not killed. Silly misperception of a greasy argument.
When you actually take the time to look at the real stats, you can see where the anti-gun people are pushing agenda and not truth. /// No, I can’t see that. The “agenda” I see independent from that video is making America a safer society overall. What agenda do you think is there? Demasculation from the Hissy fit you are starting to throw.
By your own anti-gun admissions, /// Its not an admission. Its my stated purpose.
if a country had 100 firearm deaths per year, then we better ban guns. /// Ha, ha. Nice. What is the per capita rate of firearm deaths? On the Island of Pago, Pago population 15,000 = yes guns would be rationally banned even in consideration of the feral pig population.
And if that country then changes to 100 stabbing deaths per year, you celebrate that you disarmed the “crazy gun-toting” people. /// …. and the rotation to pure drooling is completed. Want to provide sufficient facts to make any judgment on? What do you want to assume here? If the stat was 100 gun deaths and 100 stabbing deaths, then reducing the gun deaths by 98 with an increase of 10 stabbing deaths would be a good result. You can play with the numbers to get whatever result you want. Instead, you play with yourself and your imaginary fears.
Grow Up.
Do you EVER shut up? I would hate to be your wife….
Maybe thats it, she probably blew her fucking brains out listening to your incessant bullshit.
I see you are as confused about your gender role as you are about Gun Policy.
Wifey is more anti-gun than I am. More gun nut idolatry seeing the gun as a solution to any problem. ((IE for the slow–thinking wifey would blow her brains out. See how guns have crept into the subconscious? Its the “gun culture” that permeates our culture. Not a good thing))
I enjoy target shooting the few times I have gone. I consider paint guns, archery, and darts to be the same activity. Its an outrage I can’t shoot my bow in the neighborhood as I used to as a child. After all, I never actually hit anyone with an arrow. Whats all this fuss?
Gosh, more incessant bullshit, what a surprise!
Grow up, get a job, loser.
No…. YOU do it.
See how easy that is?
Does violent really equal “not killed” to you, or did you misspeak?
You know if you were talking about banning milk, you could do that pretty effectively. Milk has a shelf life. Banning firearms, not so much. Guns have lifespans measured in HUNDREDS of years. Bullets lose potency after a long time, but not too long ago I went skeet shooting and used up some old ammo that my grandfather had since before WW-II; it worked just fine. I also have his service revolver (He was a LTCMDR over a Seabees battalion in the south pacific, not that that’s relevant, I’m just giving him props.) Said revolver is still loaded with the same bullets he carried. (pistol cleaned and serviced regularly.) The last time it was fired was in the 60′s when my grandmother killed a rattlesnake with it at our family cabin on Lake Martin. I don’t have any doubts that they still work just fine.
tl;dr
Firearms aren’t going away, you are kidding yourself, best find another way to deal with your anger issues, son.
Of course – you realise that if politicians actually ‘fixed’ anything during their tenure – with something that resembles a permanent solution – they would be slowly doing themselves out of a job…
That just can’t be done : schools, guns, cars or banks – don’t mess with something that’s already broken
deegee now in a complete lather says:
1/10/2013 at 11:33 am
@bobbo
You are really going off of the deep end away from reality on this. /// Yeah, one of us is. Lets see who?
“Guns kill people” /// Yeah, verily.
More people die from car crashes. Cars kill people. /// Yes, they do. Thats why they are strictly licensed with written and performance testing and a requirement for insurance for any damages caused. Excellent point there Dee Gee.
More people die from cigarettes. Cigarettes kill people. /// Again–tightly regulated so that smokers tend to kill themselves more than others. If guns killed mostly their own owners, much of the harm would be removed. Excellent point there Dee Gee.
More people die from cancer. Cancer kills people. /// Kinda a stupid repeat of cigarettes but who is buying/selling/and distributing cancer? Really stupid point there Dee Gee.
More children die from starvation, why are you not feeding the children? /// Excellent point there Dee Gee. We should feed as best we can all the people on Earth. The food is there. As with Guns, its the policies and distribution systems that are killing people who don’t have the power/ability to organize themselves to prevent this harm.
And don’t try the old anti “guns were made for killing” as that is complete bull. /// You lost me here Dee Gee. What were guns originally made for? Target Practice? Practice to do what? I see the Lather is starting to foam. Ha. Ha.
“Jesus was anti-gun.” /// Of course Jesus is anti-gun. Always and forever will be. Standing outside of time and the natural word. Jesus loves all his little children and doesn’t like seeing them killed by his Father’s Play toy left out after cleaning. Free Will–meaning its within our own control.
What???
Guns were not even invented at the time of Jesus.
Are you this totally far from reality? /// Jesus is eternal and knows all things. What are you… anti Jesus????? Jesus is also anti matter transfer by cold fusion because it shrinks our balls. But I don’t expect you to be as omniscient as Jesus. We are after all only Hooman.
And if you want the truth about what Jesus thought and said, you had better read the bible, because Jesus was FOR personally arming yourself against the street criminals of his day, and he was FOR open carry of personal protection, what would be classified as an open carry handgun today. /// Ha, ha. Why am I not surprised? Hard to find single nuts. They come in bunches.
Luke 22:36 is only one example scripture:
“and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one” /// Kudos to ohgodnakedfarmers says:
1/10/2013 at 3:20 pm….But start farming right after…..
they shall beat their swords into plowshares
Isaiah 2:3-4
Please stop with the emotional and illogical nonsense. //// Ha, ha. Mated in 9 moves.
Apparently its become bozo’s mission in life to force you to conform to his way of thinking. Stop feeding his ego. I’m quite convinced that this loser is being paid to do this.
If you continue to debate this asshole, you are just going to waste valuable time. This is his job.
Johnny Got His Gun but lost his mind says:
1/10/2013 at 8:11 pm
Apparently its become bozo’s mission in life to force you to conform to his way of thinking. /// You think hearing calm rational specific responses to issues raised directly to me is FORCING you to do anything? Like What?… Obviously not to think. So… what are you being forced to do?
Stop feeding his ego. I’m quite convinced that this loser is being paid to do this. /// “♫ I believe this… because I do, I do…..”
If you continue to debate this asshole, you are just going to waste valuable time. This is his job. /// Ok Dvorak===where’s my check?
Gosh, more incessant bullshit, what a surprise!
Grow up, get a job, loser.
By definition, you can’t be surprised twice in a row by the same thing…. unless you are incredibly stupid.
Are you incredibly stupid Johnny?
Keep the sharding up, and I may have to refer you to Liberty Loser.
The only way to deal with Bozo the Troll is to ban him or never respond to him. Make him irrelevant.
Bozo the Troll gets around! We are not the only place he lurks.
See these links to learn more! (I think you will find them VERY interesting!)
http://landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=13420
http://tinyurl.com/bkjsugn
Bozo the Troll!
Perfect description.
I am relatively sure Dvorak disagrees with everything you say, and he isn’t cutting the check.
Have you ever listened to NA?
Well Johnny, as a little girl would do along with the other whiners on this forum, you over personalize the comments made.
Imagine if every post here was made without any name reference at all?
How would the thread read then?
Grow up.
@bobbo
rofl, you break me up man.
I disagree with areas of many of your posts but they are still fun to read.
FYI, I don’t typically bring up my area of education, trust me when I tell you that Luke 22:36 relates to our time and Isaiah 2:3-4 to the future so it does not apply to the discussion. My previous comment stands as scripturally correct.
I will be agnostic on your representation of the Bible… cause I just don’t care. Anti-theists are like that.
My own reference, I hope you sense, was one of humor. Perhaps only for myself, but why else post?
Too bad there wasn’t some way to actually connect on issues of concern/import/impact/relevance close and far from our own understanding/appreciation of the Universe?
Gun policy is a good one because there is so much nonsense about it…. but then…. most issues do. Thats what makes them “an issue.”
Go in Peace and Humor.
The best and only reason needed to own a gun; you want to.
Next Lie—I gotta go with Johnny Got His Panties in a Bunch on this one: you post way too much for what you have to say.
Ha, ha.
Post too much for what you have to say. Post too much for what you have to say. Post too much for what you have to say. Post too much for what you have to say. Post too much for what you have to say. Post too much for what you have to say.
Gwaddam, my screen is covered with splatters of coffee right now.
That’s how I feel about owning a flamethrower – No real good reason but occasionally you want one when waiting in line at DMV
[...]The 2nd Amendment is about bearing arms to protect yourself from threats, up to and including a tyrannical government.
Spare me the whole, “You won’t be happy until everybody has nuclear weapons” reductio ad absurdum. It says arms, as in things that were man portable.[...]
Larry Correia
Nuclear Weapons, Flame Throwers, Machine Guns==all portable by arms but held illegal as they represent a danger beyond what is judged reasonable. As society becomes more crowded and more injured by arms floating around all over the place, the reasonableness threshold will get lower and lower.
Reality will keep making itself known until even Gun Nuts and Sup Ct Justices in the Pocket of Big Armament will not longer deny it. Only a question of how many innocent people will die first.
Agreed.
I see your position and understand it.
However, in practical terms when accounting for how lethal they now are, how easy it is for the mentally unstable and young to get and how ineffective they will be when Obama chases you with a predator drone, it should provide a case that maybe the benefits of assault weapons are not worth the price.
Stop talking about yourself in the third person, sheep.
You are assuming a second revolutionary war wouldn’t sink the country into non-superpower status and said former superpower would still have the resources to maintain a fleet of drones (techs, pilots, infrastructure, etc.).
If it happened, it wouldn’t be just a few people. It would be a percentage large enough to effect change.
And what percentage of the people actually flying these things would bomb their own people?
I’d love to read these 250 comments but not sure where to start. I feel like I’m trying to find my way around some sort of dysfunctional Reddit.com.
i agree. I think it’s about time to introduce a new topic. What you say John?
Eds:
BTW what is the highest number of posts for a topic?
Do you guys keep track of those things?
654
http://dvorak.org/blog/2008/10/31/ghost-video-weekend-fun-dept/
I remember that one. An oldie but goldie. Are you gonna trot it out on April Fool’s Day again?
Its John’s baby, but I doubt it.
And surprisingly, it wasn’t about religion or politics, or gun ownership. Imagine that.
This is interesting.
http://dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2260586/Terrifying-new-gun-sale-turns-ANYONE-sharpshooter-able-hit-target-mile-away.html
So WHAT!
If they made a gun that made it possible to shoot accurately from 10 miles away I’d still be asking the same thing: SO FREAKING WHAT?!
It’s not the gun that bothers me. Or even the ammo! IT’S THE PERSON!!!
You may not like our LAWS and if that’s the case then you’re certainly welcome to LEAVE!
But examine yourself for a moment and ask WHY you want to ban guns, limit ammo clips, etc. The answer will probably be because you’re PISSED OFF! And rightfully so!!!
There is no reason ANYONE should kill a bunch of kids or anyone else peacefully going about their mundane LIVES! NO REASON AT ALL!!! So when a malfunctioning PERSON does these horrible things we want to grab him/her by the neck and kill them OURSELVES! It’s only HUMAN! And it only angers us more when there’s nothing left to grab!
That right there says, WE HAVE A PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE!!! NOT GUNS!
So go ahead and make all the long range weapons you like. Allow them to shoot RPG’s even too! But make DAMN SURE the person pulling the trigger is of sane mind and above all else, RESPONSIBLE! That’s what needs to be “discussed”. Not more INSANE gun laws.
And you may want to start looking at CULTURE which GLORIFIES all this violence too!
Its both.
Its better to have a gun and not need it, then to need one and not have it.
Confucius.
Man who’s child is killed by the Man’s own gun does not plan wisely.
Confused.
“Tis unwise to have grenade when needed if grenade pin often falleth from thy hand”
KungFoocious
Obama should use the powers granted by the health care law to mandate everyone either own a gun or pay a fine/tax penalty. They should also be required to pay for gun background check system as well as for gun training courses. Mandate that be covered by health insurance.
This will stop the freeloading problem where people benefit from having others own guns, thus making their own residence less likely to be robbed.
That analogy doesn’t make any sense even if I would imagine myself at your level, drunk and high.
Actually, they are hoping for a second shooting to really push public opinion in their favor.
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bobbo, neutering gun nuts with their own lack of ammunition says:
1/10/2013 at 9:54 am
…………and there’s another disgusting idea projected onto the reasonable gun limitatios side.
Al Gore refused to sell his Current TV channel to Glenn Beck, saying that he would only sell to someone who shares his point of view. He then turned around and sold it to Al Jazeera which refuses to declare Hamas or Hezbollah terrorist groups, and acelebrated the release of a terrorist who shot a man in front of his daughter, then bashed the 4 year old girl’s head in with his gun.
Child murderers are closer to liberals than those who support the 2nd amendment, and they are willing to use child murders and murderers to advance their political goals.
?Child murderers are closer to liberals than those who support the 2nd amendment, and they are willing to use child murders and murderers to advance their political goals.? /// How so? Care to actually provide some analysis rather than conclusionary statements that on their face don’t make any sense?
Liberals = support Change.
Those who Support the 2nd Amendment = want to serve in the Militia ///// I really don’t see where propinquity to Child Murders is raised by either sort of person?
On the other hand, when people are murdered by guns, it does make sense to respond to reality doesn’t it? If you want to call this “advancing political goals” such a thing is unavoidable to anyone who advocates a position. It would be as stupid as saying that 2nd Amendment Types cheer when homes are invaded and driven off by a home owner with a gun. Can’t stand any closer than that?
Really, the analysis of a shit for brains liebertard. I’m surprised Liberty Loser didn’t post it.
I’m delighted to get a different point of view so Al Jazeera is great news. Why would you want Glenn Beck? You already get fed the bath water you seek to rationalize your craziness from FOX News?
So I guess I was spot on about you not caring for the children.
Gotcha.
I care lots for them!
In fact a huge portion of my realestate tax dollars goes to train those little fuckers and I don’t even have any !!
Touche’!
former Pennsylvania governor Ed Rendell said: “The good thing about Newtown is it was so horrific that, I think, it galvanized Americans to a point where the intensity on our side is going to match the intensity on their side.”
Perfect example of what we have known all along. The anti “gun nuts” are so worked up we are finally starting to see their true colors. Making their point with human tragedy, sad.
Bozo the Troll,
I guess you can’t take the hints from so many other people on this board either.
So let me explain it to you. You are a bore. You contribute nothing to any argument. You are not welcome by the majority of the people who contribute, as evidenced by their comments. This makes you angry so you lash out in even harsher methods which does nothing to endear you to them.
You can’t be as smart as you think you are or you wouldn’t troll like you do. This leaves only two conclusions :
1) You _are_ a troll.
2) You are so lonely in your own life that this is the only place where you can get attention.
Everybody trolls. I do it myself sometimes. But you have turned into the booger that just can’t seem to be scraped off of a finger. Perhaps we should call you Booger the Troll instead of Bozo the Troll.
Please, please go somewhere else.
You may comment if you wish.
I concur.
You two sound/post like little girls at a pretend tea party. Its the ideas I present that you don’t like.
A good troll is worth so much more than an immature response.
Stick to the issues is a good rule. I often violate that rule for reasons already stated but at least I do address the issues as part of the response and when met with reason, I am totally responsive in kind.
Must suck to be you, although I am sure you are happy as clams when the light bulb comes on in your play oven.
Ha, ha.
but to the point: I’m surprised. Actual Biden Committee recommendations that Obama can act on himself by Next Tuesday? Holy “The Government can Actually Do Something.” Who’d a thought that?
Its a different tangent not yet discussed==but for all you reasonable Gun Fethishers out there, what would be so wrong with REASONABLE GUN CONTROLS that would stop short of the rules that you already apply to yourself?
Anyone here actually “think” that Gun Control out of Washington is actually going to take your guns away?
Go Ahead – - – - raise your hand. I’ll be surprised if they even outlaw/confiscate clips/extended clips/magazines/drums/hoppers/belts (etc) but at least I did hear it mentioned. I’ll be Gob Smacked if they did the same for semi-automatic rifles and hand guns.
Actual requirement to turn these good for nothing but killing weapons into the Government? Never Happen in our Gun Crazy country==but even if it did happen, what would be so wrong with the allowance to have highly powerful, accurate, modern, single shot rifles.
How would your own Manhood or appreciation of the 2nd Amendment be impacted?
Children….. stop picking on the unpopular kiddie and enjoy the party.
Get help, psycho.
Johnny with His Wad in a Bunch – - don’t you know to have any credibility at all you have to Lead By Example?
Loser and Oh_No don’t do it either. They pollute this forum with their incredible childishness that in fact amounts to trolling as well “if” they had the intellect to connect those dots with the side and telling absence of no substantive contribution.
thats not quite fair. On occasion, in isolation, we do get a few talking points…. but never the follow up. Worse than trolling, to spew a taking point and then be unable to make any argument at all in support of it. Douche Anal and Do-ill are so much better at this. Follow their example. Oh_No does provide links on occasion and that is a good thing—to find out where the talking points come from.
Should we wait for “I concur” from Loser and Oh_No, or just assume that position? SO MUCH room for improvement. Not really to be expected from anyone with “XXX got his gun” though. More than a “tell.”
Seriously dipwads. Think about how you form your ideas and attitudes. What FACTS and logic you have to back your position. Is it actually emotions and ideas that you just accept without critical review?
Guns don’t kill people?=====Really????? To whatever degree you think that, emote that, you have an excellent measure by which to measure future improvement.
You are Homo Sapiens for Darwin’s Sake==fulfill the potential your linage has given you.
Or not.
Dang 280 comments !! It wasn’t event
titled as “Muslim Obama gunna take gun away from whitey” !
Ha, ha. Dat be true! It is said that Obama isn’t the man to usher in a true Socialist State and stop the Corporate Welfare State that he had a real opportunity to stop.
Big 6 Banks own assents equal to 2/3rds of the GDP of the GOUSA. They are bigger now than before the Crash of 2008. Now, they can admit they violated the law and while the Government gives them Billions to keep their Bonus Programs going, they float the idea of suing the Government for more beneficial terms.
Money has Won the Class War. They have us arguing about guns, god, gays, abortion and welfare.
Just look!
Let’s push this bad boy past 300!
If Republicans didn’t want Obama to do his job, they should have run a decent candidate.
Americans be crazy. Right or left, fear has taken your balls.
Just because teachers are to be packing heat and children are wearing bulletproof vests doesn’t mean we live in fear.
Heard one commenter on MSNBC (a woman, forget who but she deserves credit) say that the American Public doesn’t trust school employees/teachers to dish out corporal punishment and now some think it is a good idea to let them shoot people?
Well, there are pros and cons to all we do.
Add them all up and the core issue comes down to: how many innocent people dying are worth the right to have guns the way we do? Depending on that number, you either restrict or liberalize.
Since guns provide zero countervailing benefit ((target practice, collecting, hunting are not worth a single death in my book while the self protection, home protection, and crime prevention have been netted up into the statistics we see)), I think they should be outlawed totally with special license for whatever exceptions are granted.
Can’t find the quote I read somewhere, but it had to do with guns don’t kill people, the finger pulling the trigger kills people. When I first read it, without reading further to see he was referring to the person and mental health, I thought he was saying if we cut off everyone’s fingers, then ta da! No more gun violence. Ha!