If people had a better grasp of history they would not be this freaked out. Recommendation is the No Agenda Show.



  1. noname says:

    Broad Working class fear of their future, is leading to a dangerous collective disillusionment and alienation with the pillars of American economics (corporations, government, people)!

    Chris Hedges summed it up well “corporatism is close to unmitigated evil, increasing profits without regard to human cost … neither party and Barack Obama are doing anything about it”. The average American is focused and distracted by chasing “bread and circus”

    Solders too, are rightly disillusioned by their Iraq and Afghanistan War experiences. Basically the one Marine noted, “America’s killing is creating the terrorists”, to support a profitable narrative that enables popular support for increased Wall Street profits from a national security industrial corporate complex. A massive wealth transfer to American Oligarchs!

    The only thing that people seem to still believe in is, the constitution. Yes, I too believe in our constitution; however, I strongly question most peoples understanding of the American Constitution, its basis, ideals and intent.

    The danger is how people express their disillusionment and alienation! The question is can people be constructive or destructive in how they express themselves?

    Possibly the ratio of constructive expression to destructive expression probably hasn’t changed; instead the number of total expressions have exponentially increased!

    • shooff says:

      It comes down to growth vs. prosperity.

      Shrinking resources, plus a growing demand afford one or the other.

      Unfortunately, USA and corporations have been trying to do both. Hence the inflation of debt (both public and private).

    • jpfitz says:

      I like your verbiage, I believe we can destroy and create in a single sentence. Ideas followed by actions is proof. Destroying the current streams of noxious entertainment spewed from current Hollywood networks would create a void, maybe then Americans can awake from it’s forty year slumber. I doubt the void would be filled with truth. The television needs to be killed.

  2. Hmeyers says:

    “If people had a better grasp of history they would not be this freaked out. ”

    People should be far more freaked out than they are.

    And in an entirely different way.

    Governments, politicians, the media and even citizens have never had so many tools/information/choices that the risks of accidentally or unintentionally really mucking up everything.

    All it could take is a few bad decisions piling up with unexpected consequences to destabilize the economic or cultural health of the country.

    • noname says:

      Yes, computers aren’t wrong; they just allow human to make mistakes faster.

      I don’t think American’s current fear is like the “accidents happen” cold war fear of old. Back then, it was unlikely you would suffer long from a mistake.

      Today, an unofficially large percentage of people are suffering an extended period of, “though no immediate fault of their own” unemployment. Plus, most people now can never retire by choice! Again, though no immediate fault of their own!

      America is entering a possible protracted jobless recovery with real prospects it may get worse!

      And, people wonder why people are going crazy!

      • Hmeyers says:

        Personally, I’d like to see a supplement constitution or framework of rights hammered out every 5 years or so.

        There are enormous risks of privacy, employment, savings, health that can accidentally be thrown off balance even with good intentions.

        For one, I worry about an accidental/unintentional police state, which could occur if some law passes that almost everyone is guilty of.

        If everyone is guilty, then it the road to selective enforcement is one path to a “failed nation”.

        Then you have the risks of an information monopoly or homogenous media (media becomes lazy, concerned only with ratings/talking points/talking heads). I also fear excessive regulation accidentally making mega-corps into defacto monopolies (i.e. compliance of regulations so high as to be insurmountable barrier to entry to a market).

        Yes, like you stated, technology is really raising the stakes because speed and ease of implementation of ideas with unforeseen consequences is a modern-day issue.

        • deegee says:

          Hmeyers said:

          “I worry about an accidental/unintentional police state, which could occur if some law passes that almost everyone is guilty of.”

          Like Canada’s gun control?
          Essentially, it is a federal crime to own any firearm in Canada, and everyone who owns a firearm is a criminal if they don’t have their temporary papers.
          You have to get a renewing license and if a restricted firearm additional pieces of paper to be able to own one.
          If it expires, renewal gets lost by post, gov makes a mistake, you forget to take your papers with you, etc., you will now get more jail time than a murderer.
          If you take a restricted firearm to the range you have to take your papers with you to be able to show to any SS officer that you are allowed to have the firearm with you.
          Gun owners (target shooters, hunters, collectors, etc.) are treated worse than pedophiles and rapists.
          We the people have been in a pseudo-nazi-police-state for many years (your papers please!), most just don’t recognize it because they are too busy watching MTV.

          I’m not stating whether I am pro or con firearms, just making a point about our society.

          • The Pirate says:

            Now look at them yo-yo’s that’s the way you do it

            You play the guitar on the MTV That ain’t workin’ that’s the way you do it

            Money for nothin’ and chicks for free

            Now that ain’t workin’ that’s the way you do it

            Lemme tell ya them guys ain’t dumb

          • pedro says:

            Ain’t that ‘em 99%ers anthem?

  3. bent at the waste says:

    “If people had a better grasp of history they would not be this freaked out. ”
    Totally disagree. The further I pull my head out of my ass and study history(actual history as opposed the made up B.S. I was fed) the more “freaked out” and pissed off I get.

  4. Beer and Bobbo says:

    noname….. some nice writing but most of it is untethered mumbling or simply wrong. Interesting combo you are working on there. You should be more critical….. of yourself.

    Just the easiest:

    1. Possibly the ratio of constructive expression to destructive expression probably hasn’t changed; instead the number of total expressions have exponentially increased! /// Wha? Undefined BS compared to undefined BS????? I assume if times are getting worse due to fear, that the destructive expressions would increase? You know: ratio wise? ((bwhahahah!!!)) Word crap stew.

    2. I don’t think American’s current fear is like the “accidents happen” cold war fear of old. Back then, it was unlikely you would suffer long from a mistake. //// Yeah–when was the last time duck and cover was practiced at your school before filing into a bomb shelter? IE==a complete ignorance of History and more Word Crap Stew.

    I could niggle further on about every sentence but you aren’t all wrong: “America is entering a possible protracted jobless recovery with real prospects it may get worse!” /// but then…. why do you avoid your own intellect by calling what we are already experiencing only a possibility? things you are actually experiencing in the moment are called reality and more than possible.

    So little time……..

    • noname says:

      Bobbo, “HONEY BOO BOO” or whatever name you choose today; you don’t like Misa enlightened English? I am saddened, really I am!

      Ok, since you mostly understand tit for tat; let’s look at some of your recent Incessant Blathering and rantage:
      “Yeah–when was the last time duck and cover was practiced at your school before filing into a bomb shelter? IE==a complete ignorance of History and more Word Crap Stew.”

      What, you fault factual history? You don’t think today’s employee is protected under a false sense of security and well-being, based on status and money not unlike yesteryear’s suggested method of personal protection “duck and cover”?

      It’s not like I am asking you to buy or pay for “Word Crap Stew”, it’s all free and so is yours!

      • Capuccinno and Bobbo says:

        My goodness. Word Crap Stew is moldy and rotten: “What, you fault factual history? You don’t think today’s employee is protected under a false sense of security and well-being, based on status and money not unlike yesteryear’s suggested method of personal protection “duck and cover”?” //// Total Fail. You weren’t making comparison of yesterday to todays challenges, you said: “I don’t think American’s current fear is like the “accidents happen” cold war fear of old. Back then, it was unlikely you would suffer long from a mistake.===a total and continuuing failure to understand what was clearly the case: America had a real FEAR of a Soviet Nuclear Attack, NOT BY MISTAKE as you suppose, but by planned first strike, by intimidation of putting Missiles into Cuba, by leading the USA in certain Space Activities, by having larger lift rockets.

        “Unlikely you would suffer long from a mistake”???? /// Actually funny for that statement to be true would mean the suffering from a nuclear attack would be short lived. True==but only for those killed by the first strike. Pure Misery for the rest of the World who survived into Nuclear Winter.

        May I suggest you take a course or two in critical thinking? Debate? Toast Masters??—something to organize and direct your considerable skills that are evident but so far only to your detriment?

        Just a word to the willing.

        • noname says:

          Today’s bOBBO becoming tomorrows HONEY BOO BOO.

          You sir are, still another typical under educated American full of narcissistic self importance frothing his chops, blathering on: “a total and continuuing failure to understand what was clearly the case: America had a real FEAR of a Soviet Nuclear Attack, NOT BY MISTAKE as you suppose”

          Don’t tell me about history I lived through!

          Really (??), your misspelling along with your absurd attempts at being self righteous and “scholarly” is truly laughable absurdness :)

          Many Books & Movies at the time (Dr. Strangelove or Fail-Safe) illustrated typical American concerns; Atomic Attacks are more likely to be initiated by maniacal Americans, leading then to inevitable Soviet retaliation. In particular, the 1962 novel Fail-Safe, wrote of an “accidental” sortie of American nuclear bombers against the USSR.

          These Books & Movies much better show American attitudes and thoughts, than your revisionist projections and claims of historical meanings and people feelings during those times.

          I am certainly not trying to be scholarly; I am only representing what I see as forgotten aspects of my experiences and realities of the times, my time!

          Castigate me all you want, it doesn’t change history!

          • Capuccinno and Bobbo says:

            Your examples don’t support your argument at all. Ha, ha. Or==prove me wrong: how did Strangelove that Ended with a Nuke, or FailSafe (forget) or That one with everyone in Australia waiting 2-3 days for the Nuke Radiation Cloud to Reach them, DEMONSTRATE that Americans of the time were “Unlikely you would suffer long from a mistake”???? (sic).

            That was your point afterall. Can’t even focus on/recall/identify the subject of your own posts.

            I even made a HUGE argument error you fail to pick up on.

            Good example of Crap Stew. Pay attention. You can teach yourself to be more effective. You gotta recognize it to begin with of course.

          • noname says:

            HONEY BOO BOO

            “I even made a HUGE argument error you fail to pick up on.”

            Well good for you. Why should I care?

          • Capuccinno and Bobbo says:

            If you are incapable of maintaining a dialectic, it doesn’t matter whether you care or not.

            As stated, just a word to the willing.

          • noname says:

            Your going to have to get your Dialectical behavior therapy fix else where!

            What about your job?

            Again why anyone should care to engage “a word to the willing” with a village nuisance?

  5. TooManyPuppies says:

    I think they just dug down for the crazies in this video. I’m an Oath Keeper and so are many other current and former police officers that I know and served with. We value that oath but we aren’t the crazy ones being floated out there as who the Oath Keepers really are.

    • noname says:

      Ugh! An “Oath keeper” and someone who previously swore to defend and uphold the Constitution!

      Taking another unnecessary oath is both confusing and duplicitous. It’s no different than people taking the Norquist No-Tax Pledge violating their Congressional Oath of Office! It doesn’t engender anymore trust!

      As a former police officer you should know, liars will Swear up and down and take oaths when trying to deceive!

      Oaths don’t force dishonest people to be honest! Yes, most American mean to behave honestly unless they are allowed to feel that dishonesty or cheating is justified.

      Like most well practiced expedient habits, lying is hard not too! In this regard, Criminals and Cops are different sides of the same deceitful dishonest coin! Except Cops are legally sanctioned and encouraged by the U.S. Supreme Court to lie!.

    • LibertyLover says:

      Ditto. Navy Veteran. Not Crazy. Head out of the sand. Very concerned for my children’s futures.

      Negative reinforcement never works. It always backfires.

  6. Beer and Bobbo says:

    Hmeyers with an uncharacteristic lack of insight says:
    1/15/2013 at 11:02 pm

    Personally, I’d like to see a supplement constitution or framework of rights hammered out every 5 years or so. /// This is what our Fed/State Legislatures do most months on a continuous basis and our Courts all the time.

    There are enormous risks of privacy, employment, savings, health that can accidentally be thrown off balance even with good intentions. /// Stay on point?===the issue is these travesties are being implemented ON PURPOSE!!! As noname also corrected stated above: wealth transfer to the Oligarchy is not by accident, or good intent gone wrong==its a direct result of the SUPER RICH buying the Republican Party.

    For one, I worry about an accidental/unintentional police state, which could occur if some law passes that almost everyone is guilty of. // Add up all the laws and as has been said for 100
    s of years: no honest man is free from being jailed willy nilly. Under the recently passed Nat Sec Laws==we all indeed can be arrested without charges and held without access to a lawyer>>> where ya been? The future is NOW!

    If everyone is guilty, then it the road to selective enforcement is one path to a “failed nation”.

    Then you have the risks of an information monopoly or homogenous media (media becomes lazy, concerned only with ratings/talking points/talking heads). /// Again, fait accompli.

    I also fear excessive regulation accidentally making mega-corps into defacto monopolies (i.e. compliance of regulations so high as to be insurmountable barrier to entry to a market). /// Ditto. Banks more consolidated, too big to fail, more now than before the Crash of 2008. The lauded Reform Act having zero effect on the risks we face.

    Yes, like you stated, technology is really raising the stakes because speed and ease of implementation of ideas with unforeseen consequences is a modern-day issue. /// Just recognize everything you “fear” has already arrived. Yes, it could get worse… but if you are already in the pot, 90% of the job is already done.

    Yea, verily.

    • Hmeyers says:

      Bobbo, I’m more optimistic than you I guess. You would hit the “red alert” button. I’d advocate only “yellow alert”.

      Here is why:

      1) We have divided government, making any deals to seemingly do anything ultra-stupid nigh impossible.

      2) Plus due to a split of governmental control that is close to 50/50, both the Democrats and Republicans are quick to shit their pants if a flashlight is firmly pointed in their faces (remember last year’s SOPA incident where Wikipedia/Google blackout generated 30 million phone calls).

      3) Mega-corps ideas fortunately are often stupid enough as to have a silver-lining. Like a Three Stooges episode.

      I’ve long maintained that the dollar is an entirely imaginary currency making both our debt and corporate profits to some degree “fictitious”.

      I’d like some sort of affirmation that the government knows what it is doing and why. And some of the government seems to know this (hats off! good job) and some of the government doesn’t (writes rules solidifying mega-corps role into concrete boots).

      The media … well … I think they could end up being very vulnerable to a Facebook-like upstart in the next 5-10 years. CNN, once upon a time, was the new threat to the “Big 3 Networks”. CNN/Foxnews/MSNBC are garbage, pandering networks now (i.e. tell viewers what they want to hear instead of doing real news). A new company needs to kill them off; odds are something will and they’ll do it for the dollars.

      • Beer and Bobbo says:

        You call that optimistic huh?

        Yeah, we can pick and choose what we post to make our points.

        1) We have divided government, making any deals to seemingly do anything ultra-stupid nigh impossible. /// Except what is ultra stupid is doing nothing when something/anything should/needs to be done. Doing anything and watching the result and then correcting takes an ACTIVE GOVENMENT===not what we have, one mired in stalemate doing nothing as the future turns blacker and blacker as a direct result of the inaction. ….. Ok==I admit I’m more pessimistic than You. So===whats wrong with you? don’t understand what you are looking at/living thru? Ha, ha.==I kid.

        2) Plus due to a split of governmental control that is close to 50/50, both the Democrats and Republicans are quick to shit their pants …. /// Too lazy/quick/easy to take complex layered interactive comparisons and default to the “both the same” position. This interferes/clouds the proper recognition that it is the Republican Party actively destroying America right now, the Dumbos by their failure to stop it. The harm of stalemate again.

        3) Mega-corps ideas fortunately are often stupid enough as to have a silver-lining. Like a Three Stooges episode. //// A private revery again missing the import: Corps are destroying America by way of political corruption resulting in Stalemate/Do Nothing which is the Status Quo that has been special interested to the Great Wealth Transfer to those Mega Corps and the powers lurking behind them.

        I sure would LOVE to see Earth 100 years from now. Past history was mostly made by man/societies moving around, warring, discovering stuff. Going to be interesting when Mother Earth rises up and shakes us off.

        We are past the tipping point now and only accelerating the disaster inputs. Theres a whole shit load of payback already on its way.

        Yahoooooo! I got my cellar full of box wine. I’ll last for a few months.

      • jimbo says:

        > I’ve long maintained that the dollar is an entirely imaginary currency making both our debt and corporate profits to some degree “fictitious”.

        I was only in the 2nd grade of elementary school when they started putting copper into the dimes and quarters, effectively making them counterfeit slugs but it didn’t set well with me then. Since then, they’ve debased the one cent coin as well, but it’s still not enough.

        http://business.time.com/2012/02/15/obama-wants-to-make-cheaper-pennies-and-nickels/

    • noname says:

      These “Oathers” are confused about what is an American is, what America stands for and means as those leading Shays’ Rebellion ! Ironic or not, the economic circumstances then and now are similar!

      These “Oathers” are caught up in their own dangerous Self-Deception, Self-Delusion like Shays’ Rebellion, with a need to Swear up and down and take oaths to convince themselves they are (bogus) keepers of constitutional righteousness!

  7. birddog says:

    What is a ‘Three Percenter’?

    During the American Revolution, the active forces in the field against the King’s tyranny never amounted to more than 3% of the colonists. They were in turn actively supported by perhaps 10% of the population. In addition to these revolutionaries were perhaps another 20% who favored their cause but did little or nothing to support it. Another one-third of the population sided with the King (by the end of the war there were actually more Americans fighting FOR the King than there were in the field against him) and the final third took no side, blew with the wind and took what came.

    Three Percenters today do not claim that we represent 3% of the American people, although we might. That theory has not yet been tested. We DO claim that we represent at least 3% of American gun owners, which is still a healthy number somewhere in the neighborhood of 3 million people. History, for good or ill, is made by determined minorities. We are one such minority. So too are the current enemies of the Founders’ Republic. What remains, then, is the test of will and skill to determine who shall shape the future of our nation.

    The Three Percent today are gun owners who will not disarm, will not compromise and will no longer back up at the passage of the next gun control act. Three Percenters say quite explicitly that we will not obey any further circumscription of our traditional liberties and will defend ourselves if attacked. We intend to maintain our God-given natural rights to liberty and property, and that means most especially the right to keep and bear arms. Thus, we are committed to the restoration of the Founders’ Republic, and are willing to fight, die and, if forced by any would-be oppressor, to kill in the defense of ourselves and the Constitution that we all took an oath to uphold against enemies foreign and domestic.

    We are the people that the collectivists who now control the government should leave alone if they wish to continue unfettered oxygen consumption. We are the Three Percent. Attempt to further oppress us at your peril.

    To put it bluntly, leave us the hell alone.

    Or, if you feel froggy, go ahead AND WATCH WHAT HAPPENS.

    Here’s the deal, as embodied in the Doctrine of the Three Percent:

    We will not disarm.

    You cannot convince us.

    You cannot intimidate us.

    You can try to kill us, if you think you can.

    But remember, we’ll shoot back.

    And we are not going away.

    Your move.

    • Capuccinno and Bobbo says:

      Well, I hope its only 3%. Hard to tell about those things.

      If assault weapons and extended clips and psych data base sharing is fully implemented, at least they won’t be hard to identify.

      Ha, ha.

      No man is an island, whether on that island he has a gun or not.

  8. MikeN says:

    Why hasn’t this site posted about the guy who committed suicide rather than face 35 years in prison for some illegal downloads?

  9. LibertyLover says:

    This guy says it much better than I. Emphasis mine.

    “But for the sake of math, let’s say that there are only 80 million gun owners, and let’s say that the government decides to round up all those pesky guns once and for all. Let’s be generous and say that 90% of the gun owners don’t really believe in the 2nd Amendment, and their guns are just for duck hunting. Which is what politicians keep telling us, but is actually rather hilarious when you think about how the most commonly sold guns in America are the same detachable magazine semiautomatic rifles I talked about earlier [AR-15].

    So ten percent refuse to turn their guns in. That is 8 million instantaneous felons. Let’s say that 90% of them are not wanting to comply out of sheer stubbornness. Let’s be super generous and say that 90% of them would still just roll over and turn their guns when pressed or legally threatened. That leaves 800,000 Americans who are not turning their guns in, no matter what. To put that in perspective there are only about 700,000 police officers in the whole country.

    “Let’s say that these hypothetical 10% of 10% are willing to actually fight to keep their guns. Even if my hypothetical estimate of 800,000 gun nuts willing to fight for their guns is correct, it is still 97% higher than the number of insurgents we faced at any one time in Iraq, a country about the size of Texas.

    “[...] And as for those 700,000 cops, how many of them would side with the gun owners? All the gun nuts, that’s for sure. As much as some people like to complain about the gun culture, many of the people you hire to protect you, and darn near all of them who can shoot well, belong to that gun culture. And as I hear people complain about the gun industry, like it is some nebulous, faceless, all powerful corporate thing which hungers for war and anarchy, I just have to laugh, because the gun industry probably has the highest percentage of former cops and former military of any industry in the country. [...] The men and women you pay to protect you have honor and integrity, and they will fight for what they believe in.

    “So the real question the anti-gun, ban and confiscate, crowd should be asking themselves is this, how many of your fellow Americans are you willing to have killed in order to bring about your utopian vision of the future?

    Larry Correia

    • deegee says:

      +1

    • Capuccinno and Bobbo says:

      How many felons who want to keep illegal guns for the purpose of killing those who are assigned the task of arresting them would I be willing to kill? ….. Hmmmm….seems rather obvious the answer would be all of them.

      what are you?—–stoopid?

      • LibertyLover says:

        Booger,

        You still here?

        Please, please go somewhere else.

        • Capuccinno and Bobbo says:

          So Loser, what is your answer to the “Real Question?” You know—in its full context?

          Stumped Again huh?

          • LibertyLover says:

            Booger,

            You still here?

            Please, please go somewhere else.

          • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

            Hey LOSER—can’t make an argument or state a fact for your position==only make a repetitive whine.

            Now you do it for your trolling as well.

            What a Dolt.

          • LibertyLover says:

            Booger,

            I can’t believe you are still here!

    • birddog says:

      LibertyLover for the win.

    • birddog says:

      As we all know one man with a hand gun barricades himself in a house and it takes the swat team and half the police force to deal with it, so what is going to happen when its a large number of people.

      • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

        Define “Large.”

        Large as more or less than the number of people killed every xyz in the USA? THAT LARGE??????

        You sound UNAMERICAN to me–suggesting we can’t kill large numbers of people if we set our minds to it. Where ya been???

        When individuals and groups of Gun Nuts are taken out by Gun Nuts in Uniforms, the resolve of the remaining nuts will be put to the test. How many are actually permanently nuts even on observation of what their nuttery brings???

        Reality: that punch in the face when you think nothing is there.

        Silly Hoomans.

        • birddog says:

          One thing there is no shortage of battle hardened former pissed off soldiers with buddies still in the military. One thing the good ol USA can do is train killers and then abandon them.

          • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

            No definition of Large. I would think most Battle HARDENED Vets would still be in the Military, -OR- in the police and para military/Guard units used by the gubment to clean up the Gun Nuts. A perfect match up.

            Battle Broken on the other hand seems more the norm for those that would take up arms AGAINST the USA. Anyone doing that—is UN American. Not to be redundant with Gun Nut.

            Silly Gun Nuts. Here—pull my trigger.

          • jpfitz says:

            How do trained killers decompress after bloody battles?

            No PTSD or issues with rejoining society as a civilian.
            If anyone can recomend a way to give to a vetern charity specializing in artificial limbs. Please advise, thanks in advance. Sorry administrator if I’m breaking post rules.

          • pedro says:

            Trying to have a real conversation with Dumbbo?

            The last person who thought he was left the blog when he opened his eyes to Dumbbo’s real self

          • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

            jp==not my area of interest but I have seen just organizations in the news on tv shows so they are out there. Shouldn’t take too much time to google a few or contact your local VA Hospital.

            Speaking of which–sad the VA doesn’t do the very, very best to rehab our Vets making such efforts irrelevant. Although, I admit there will always be room at the cutting edge for private innovation. As long as that is what it is as opposed to completely satisfactory services being available at the VA==instead of a bureaucratic system designed to deny care?

      • Cap'n Kangaroo says:

        The SWAT team is there to try to peaceably end the confrontation. If they wanted to quickly end it, they just set fire to the structure and hose down the rubble.

        • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

          Exactly. Pure fantasy to think guns will protect you against the Government.

          PURE ……..F – a – n – t – a – s – y.

          A fantasy for bullshitting retards, but a fantasy nonetheless. Segue to Liberty Loser giving an amen.

          • birddog says:

            Guerrilla Warfare and War of Attrition two things a conventional army has never been able to win.

          • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

            Good point. While I can and do envision at least an initial and even quite strong armed response to any effort to take guns from the Gun Nuts, I don’t see them forming even the core of a guerrilla response.

            They aren’t properly thought of as Gun NUTS for nuttin.

          • deegee says:

            Is it anything like the fantasy that banning guns (or anything else) will usher in a utopian society where no one will be murdered (by guns) (or anything else).

            People who want to kill others will just use other methods. Black market firearms (well the war on drugs has stopped the importation of illegal drugs, right?), bombs and IEDs, locking people into a building and setting it on fire, etc.
            Look at the suicide bombers in the middle east to see what the USA will turn into shortly. And with increased death tolls. Then what? Ban suicides?

        • birddog says:

          Swat teams are never there to solve anything peacefully the negotiator is there for that. The swat team is the last resort.

          • Cap'nKangaroo says:

            SWAT is there to contain and control the situation to give the negotiator time to work.

  10. Tim Lewellyn says:

    He heard it on the Internet, wow that must mean it’s true.
    Fucking idiots.
    He is pro capitalist America bitching about immigration all the while his capitalist corporations are making huge profits with cheap illegal labor….
    What a moron.

  11. Comanche says:

    I just want to play with my assault rifle.
    Does that make me a bad person?

  12. Pin Head says:

    It’s absolutely amazing how many complete fools are willing to die for their STUFF! Almost no one is willing to sacrafice even a grain of rice for someone with a different (fill in the blank). Oh sure. We give it away all the time – so long as we have it to SPARE! But to give it away and then go without is almost unheard of, especially if we pass judgement and say something like “he/she/they don’t deserve it.” Of course, the flip side would be to have it (all) taken away.

    This “us versus them” mentality is also wrong. But again, it’s only PART of what’s wrong. In fact, the anger and desire to identify an enemy may even be diverting attention away from what really IS wrong. But if you think you know what’s wrong then you might be well advised to first take a long look in the MIRROR!

    The comment that we need to break the machine is right. But what machine do you think that is? Here’s a hint: it has very little to do with the government since government is really just a symptom.

  13. Cap'n Kangaroo says:

    Can anyone point to any current piece of legislation by a US Senator or US Congressman that calls for the wholesale confiscation of any guns currently in the hands of the public?

  14. Somebody says:

    “If people had a better grasp of history they would not be this freaked out.”

    I disagree.

    After Rome went from a republic to a dictatorship Caesar held a little celebratory dinner for all the surviving citizens of Rome. It amounted to about half of the previous population.

    When Russia made the conversion to dictatorship what with the civil war and the Red Terror etc, casualties were about 6 million.

    Mao scored about 80 million. Hitler 12.

    http://scaruffi.com/politics/dictat.html

    In our first Civil War there were about 1,030,000 casualties.

    It’s interesting to note that Obama intends to take the oath of office on Lincoln’s Bible. I guess we’ll find out in a few years if he also plans on being a “civil war president”.

    I’m at a loss to explain why my fellow Americans don’t think that they will pay what history shows to be the cost of pissing away your freedom.

    And you’d have to be pretty fucking deep into denial not to see that Uncle Sam has turned to the dark side.

    Your only choice now is to fight or flee.

    • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

      Right Wing Nuts think everything they don’t like is Obama’s fault and an unwarranted intrusion on their individual Freedom.

      Freedom to be stupid, hypocritical, and dysfunctional.

      PROVE ME WRONG: what freedom interest was being fought for in the Civil War? And if you find someone to give you an answer–what do you think the history between North and South would have been had the South won their “freedom?” Good for you and me?

      Or very bad?

      Why is everything you advocate just as stupid??

      Silly Hoomans. Fighting to cut their own throats.

      • Somebody says:

        If your brain was still working you’ d remember that what I hate about Obama is his continuation of Bush’s policies of bailouts and perpetual war for perpetual profit.

        But you have such an enormous hard-on for Obama all the blood has drained out of your head leaving you brain-dead.

        I oppose evil policies regardless of who is doing it.

        You’ d be almost sane if you could do that too.

        But you can’ t even imagine that I can.