In the weeks leading up to his alleged shootings that left three dead and another wounded, former LAPD officer Christopher Jordan Dorner is thought of have stalked some of those named in a manifesto he is believed to have posted online, law enforcement sources told The Times.

Authorities were involved in a massive manhunt for Dorner, 33, and issued alerts across California and Nevada for the former cop, who is suspected of killing a couple in Orange County earlier this week and fatally shooting a Riverside police officer Thursday morning.

Dorner is suspected of visiting the homes of some of those named in the manifesto as he allegedly plotted out his attacks, according to the sources.

The Los Angeles Police Department had dispatched units across the area to protect at least 40 officers and others named in the rambling manifesto that Dorner…posted online.

Dorner was believed to be carrying multiple weapons, including an assault rifle.

Law enforcement authorities said they were concerned about Dorner’s military background and weapons training. The lengthy online message allegedly written by the former Navy Reserve lieutenant threatened “unconventional and asymmetrical warfare” against police.

Dorner received awards for his expertise with a rifle and pistol, according to military records obtained by The Times. He received an Iraq Campaign Medal and was a member of mobile inshore undersea warfare unit.

The former officer, who was fired from the LAPD in 2009, is suspected of shooting three officers, one of whom died, in Riverside County early Thursday morning…

Early Thursday, two women delivering newspapers in Torrance were shot by Los Angeles police who were guarding an officer named in the manifesto.

The women, shot in the 19500 block of Redbeam Avenue, were taken to area hospitals, Torrance police Lt. Devin Chase said. One suffered a minor wound, and the other was struck twice and listed in stable condition, LAPD Chief Charlie Beck told reporters. “Tragically,” Beck said, “we believe this is a case of mistaken identity.”

Follow the link to the TIMES for multiple sidebars. Dorner is said to have tried to steal a boat – he was part of the LAPD’s harbor patrol. He’s also reported to be carrying a .50-calibre sniper rifle.

  1. MikeN says:

    So we have violence influenced by Piers Morgan, another guy attacked a conservative group based on the SPLC’s hate map, yet the media and this blog highlight the actions of Sarah Palin’s supposed gun targets causing the shooting of Gabby Giffords and others?

  2. bobbo, anti-authoritarian yet still democratically oriented pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

    From the copy paste provided above, looks like the guy would have been a good contributer to DU.

    I know it works for me. No urge at all to shoot anyone here. For some reason, I always only feel like cross dressing donkeys. Weird how hooman emotions play out.

    Ha. Ha. Even insane people know that guns kill people and he encourages by word and deed a revolution in our Constitutionally Compliant gun control laws.

    Absent those growing up with guns as little kiddies…. there is something “wrong” with those who want guns. Protecting ones self is just that warning klaxon that fear is creeping into one’s emotional outlook. Add some paranoia. Add some real or also imagined offense. Add two, three more. then dump a stressor into the pile like loss of job, divorce, arrest, or your donkey goes missing.

    Et violet!

    • McCullough says:

      I’m betting the people locked in their homes at Big Bear right now wish they were armed.

      • bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo says:

        McCullough–statistically, armed home owners are not safer than unarmed ones. Thats what National Death from Guns statistics is all about.

        You get a gun to protect yourself and your spouse/friend/burglar uses it on you or your kiddie shoots himself.

        Those are the stats.

        I know you gut feelings are hard to deal with and all but that is what/science are supposed to save us from==our own innate stupidity.

        OF COURSE, there are many instances where people having guns have protected them. Thats why you have to move away from the anecdotal and add up all the cases.

        Its Math and Science that Social Policy should be based on. Not feelings and dogma.

        Silly Hoomans.

        • McCullough says:

          OK, call one of the statisticians to come to your aid when crazy cop fuck is kicking in your door.

          • bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo says:

            McCullough… you crack me up.

            Yes…I agree YOU could well be safer wrapped in your rational paranoia, but with a gun in the house to protect you from Dorner, do you not see you are more exposed to your kiddie killing himself, or you or your spouse killing one or the other, or a burglar stealing the gun and killing someone else?

            You see… is a many faceted issue==NOT JUST YOUR OWN COMPETENCY. So–add up all the issues and you get a death rate from Guns in America 50 times higher than in UK or Australia, rest of Europe, etc where gun laws are enforced.

            Is that too hard to juggle for you?

            Its like the guy being thrown free from his car in an accident thereby saving his life. It does happen. But “statistically” seat belts save lives.

            Statistically…. owing guns in America is more likely to get yourself killed than anyone else. Hurts like a biatch doesn’t it?

            sic–maybe not “you” McCullough==but the statistics show its true for the generic you that is out there. Not you—just all the other you’s all added up.===> Statistics.

            Are you going to go to sleep tonight with a gun in your hand? Well… you know, maybe you should take some amphetamines to keep you awake because you know you WILL BE SAFER if the bad guy breaks in while you are actually awake.

            So–drug taking armed citizens awake all night protecting themselves is just what society needs, and no joking about it, anyone can craft a hypothetical where they turn out to be safer. Just add up all the scenarios.

            Because ….. you know….. I’m a man and have hair on my chest!

            Science. Math. Facts.

        • MikeN says:

          According to statistics going to the hospital is very dangerous. When you are sick, I suggest you stay away. Numbers don’t lie.

          • bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo says:

            Mikey–healthcare saves millions.

            Stupid argument. Keep using it. It shows what a ditto head you are.

          • jpfitz says:

            MikeN, your right. Going to the ER then ending up staying for any more than 6 hours can be very dangerous.

            Hospital-acquired infection: An infection caught while hospitalized. The medical term for a hospital-acquired infection is nosocomial. Most nosocomial infections are due to bacteria. Since antibiotics are frequently used within hospitals, the types of bacteria and their resistance to antibiotics is different than bacteria outside of the hospital. Nosocomial infections can be serious and difficult to treat.

            “A nosocomial infection is strictly and specifically an infection “not present or incubating prior to admittance to the hospital, but generally occurring 48 hours after admittance.” ”


            I was in and out for an appendectomy in about 12 hours. Too many germs and sickness that can easily be transferred.
            If you must go get in and get out asap.

          • bobbo, Junior Psychologist and General Gourmand says:

            jp==what is Mickey right about? His point was when you are sick you should not go to the hospital.

            Your point, is that there are risks inherent in going to hospitals.

            Details? Resolution??

            Pros and Cons to all we do: Go to the Hospital or go not. Add them up. Weigh. compare and contrast. WHEN should you go to the Hospital, and when should you not.

            I’ve been an advocate for home birth for that very reason. Appendectomies? Could be done on the back end of an ambulance I suppose…. or you could just bite down on a piece of leather?

            Is that what you mean?

          • MikeN says:

            No, my point is that you are more likely to end up dead if you go to the hospital, than if you don’t go to the hospital. Just look at the death statistics. People who get admitted to the hospital are vastly more likely to die than those who don’t. Why would Bobbo do such a risky action? The statistics show you are more likely to die by going to a hospital.

          • jpfitz says:

            Ok, bobbo. I only know from experience.
            Mom went in for taking the wrong meds. In hospital Mom contracted a nosocomial infection that had her in isolation. In other word Mom caught a deadly bug that defies all antibiotics. The bug is strong because it is ever changing to be able to resist the drugs thrown at it.

            SO, STAY OUT OF HOSPITAL, ONLY GO IF LIFE OR DEATH. I yell because I care.

    • Sea Lawyer says:

      Well, the whole reason for establishing governments is for protection; so maybe the more government you want, the more paranoid and fearful you are.

      • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

        Hey SL–I don’t recall you playing the iconoclastic cynosure before.

        But… yes… I can’t think of a higher purpose for self governning people other than preventing the murder of innocents.

        What higher purpose for government can you think of?

    • jpfitz says:

      bobbo how does that thought process work?
      You said the below.
      “Absent those growing up with guns as little kiddies…. there is something “wrong” with those who want guns.”

      Are you eluding to the conjecture that when children are raised in a family with guns, the children later in life as adults are “right” in owning guns?

  3. bobbo, anti-authoritarian yet still democratically oriented pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

    Cap’n Kangaroo says:
    2/8/2013 at 8:22 am

    I do agree on “Rachel”. She has as much objective analysis on one hr as another network has all nite. /// Yep. I post to encourage all the Pukes, conspiracists, dittoheads, and red staters to give it a look. I try to watch OReilly and Hannity and so forth but at the end of an hour, try to list any “facts” you have been given. You can disagree with Rachel, but you will have a list of facts.

    I generally turn off the Right Wing Echo Chamber when the following phrase appears: “Imagine if the Republicans had done this…..” and indeed that sums up their analysis: “Just imagine…”

    Hmmmm…. this ditty came to mind. Lots of fit here even though it is about something entirely different. Another victim of gun rights.

    Jealous Guy/John Lennon

    I was dreaming of the past,
    And my heart was beating fast.
    I began to lose control,
    I began to lose control.
    I didn’t mean to hurt you.
    I’m sorry that I made you cry.
    Oh no, I didn’t mean to hurt you.
    I’m just a jealous guy.

    I was feeling insecure you might not love me anymore.
    I was shivering inside,
    I was shivering inside.
    I didn’t mean…

    I was trying to catch your eyes,
    though that you was trying to hide.
    I was swallowing my pain,
    I was swallowing my pain.
    I didn’t mean…

    • jpfitz says:

      Great song. John was and will always be my favorite Beatle, and one of my favorite icons. I miss him dearly.

  4. Glenn E. says:

    Aren’t we glad that our nation’s system of gun ownership background checks, and job psychological screening, caught this guy before he killed anyone, he wasn’t supposed to.

    Oh wait. It didn’t. And very likely never would have. So much for preventing the gun violence, and terrorist activities. By putting all of the rest of us, thru the wringer. Whenever we want to buy a weapon for home protection. Or travel somewhere in the USA, by public transportation.

    This guy is on the loose. With weapons he was handed, without restrictions. Knows how to use them all, because he was trained at taxpayers’ expense. And knows how to evade all those lame security check points, they throw up to make the rest of us feel safer. He’s basically the Phantom of the Opera, at the Security Theater, with a very lethal attitude.

  5. Sematics says:

    This man is a true hero.

    • orchidcup says:

      A true hero does not go around killing people indiscriminately with no particular goal in mind except revenge for a perceived injustice.

      The cop he killed in Riverside had no role in the perpetrator’s grievances. The young couple he killed were not involved in the perpetrator’s firing from the police force.

      Your mind is as sick as his.

  6. Shaun says:

    So nobody sees the resemblance to LL Cool J?

  7. MikeN says:

    At this initial meeting, Llaneza proposed conducting a car-bomb attack against a bank in the San Francisco Bay Area. He proposed structuring the attack to make it appear that the responsible party was an umbrella organization for a loose collection of anti-government militias and their sympathizers. Llaneza’s stated goal was to trigger a governmental crackdown, which he expected would trigger a right-wing counter-response against the government followed by, he hoped, civil war.

    In a Dec. 7 follow-up meeting with the undercover agent, he settled on the BofA branch on Hegenberger Road, “reasoning that the name of the bank and Oakland’s location as a center of protests made it an appropriate target,” the complaint stated.

    Liberals would have been happy to play up the right-wing attacker line, along with that he used an assault weapon.

  8. Captain Obvious says:

    I love the analysis on his “politics”. Um yeah.

    How about this? He’s a crazy mother fucker who is killing people.

  9. bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

    With Dorner being corralled up in Big Bear, more coverage on his motivation. Sounds reasonable to me–the getting upset about it part….AND… the reports have a ring of credibility.

    His training officer and he are involved in an arrest. Dorner wants to report the excessive force used but is talked out of it. Later, he wants to amend the report to have it included. He gets fired for this effort and the Union Rep given to help him helps the charges stick. So… a lifetime of insults ending in retaliation for trying to be a good cop.

    I’ll admit my own revenge fantasies stop short of actually hurting anyone–even directly guilty parties. Since what he wants is to clear his name, that his reporting of excess force and firing over it be reviewed again, my “fantasy” becomes almost relevant===”mock assassinations” using a high powered paint gun. Has that macho gun oriented solution without the illegal and immoral taking of innocent life.

    With Dorner’s expertise in asymmetrical warfare and all, I don’t understand why he would “hide out” in a remote area that is easy to close off and control. Seems like a rookies mistake to me even if you know the area. Better area in summer too rather than leave footprints in the snow. If he had a pre-planned secret exit route, then maybe so, but it doesn’t look like it.

    Quite telling the “killing rage” the unprofessional LAPD lapsed into. Killing and attacking anyone remotely similar in description. All the more credibility to Dorner’s complaint.

    It is indeed a very thin Blue Line.

    • MikeN says:

      Well that of course justifies killing a man’s daughter and her fiance.

      • bobbo, one true Liberal recognizing Obama is too far Right says:

        Mickey–just as abysmally poor in response as you are in first posting? Why am I not surprised?

        Reading comprehension of a third grader, retarded twelve year old, or a Teapublican.

        Silly Hooman.

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