Explosions in Copley Square

by Zuri Berry on Apr 15, 2013 at 5:15 PM
Video shot by Steve Silva, Boston.com Producer, at the scene of the first explosion

BREAKING NEWS:

Two explosions occurred near the Boston Marathon finish line at 2:50 p.m. The race was diverted before being halted as police and fire crews swept the area. Another device was found, which was purposely detonated by Boston Police at Boylston Street. Another incident at JFK Library, which was thought to be a fourth-related incident, is now being considered as a fire-related issue by the Boston Police Department. Two people are dead and 107 are injured. >>> This is a developing story.

UPDATE: Arrest made in Boston of suspect ID’d from CCTV video.. TV talking heads got it wrong, again! Actually, hollering ongoing between police bodies as to whether or not someone’s in custody. Cripes.

UPDATE: Live coverage via Reuters in Watertown, Massachusetts, following overnight shootout.



  1. iamliving says:

    After Atlanta, after Oklahoma, after two World Trade Centre attacks and will all the apparent resources available to local, state and federal law enforcement… no one thought to check spectators in such a closed off area like the finish line for explosives, say with dogs perhaps.

    If this isn’t domestic terrorism, it’s most likely a red flag incident.

    My heart goes out the families of the dead and injured but everyone should be asking their governments, why after TRILLION$ of dollars spent and so many civil liberties and freedoms have been eroded the “government” still can’t stop a simple garbage can bomb. Because it’s about FEAR not SAFETY!

    • Phydeau says:

      I would rather have the slight chance of bombs being planted than live in the police state that would be necessary to “protect” us from the slight chance of bombs.

      I do not expect the government to stop a simple garbage can bomb. Because in order to do it, they would have to turn America into a police state.

      The cure would be worse than the disease.

      • Guyver says:

        By trying to gradually invalidate the 2nd Amendment our government is well on its way to turning this country into a police state to prevent future crimes ala Minority Report.

        • Phydeau says:

          The government is already well on its way to turning this country into a police state, even with the 2nd Amendment. It got a big boost after 9/11, when people clamored for their rights to be taken away, for “safety”.

          Seriously, you think there’s going to be an uprising? Your Bushmaster semi-auto against the government’s machine guns, tanks, planes, bombs, and nukes?

          Nice fantasy. Might have actually worked back when the citizens had muskets and the government had muskets and a few cannons. But that was a couple centuries ago.

          • Mr Diesel says:

            Think the government would use nukes on our own soil?

            Think you are going to get the entire US military to turn on its own people?

            You do realize that with very little help and captured weaponry the Afghan rebels held the Soviets at bay for ten years and they ended up winning.

            Freedom fighter and guerrilla warfare will keep a superior force from taking and keeping much of anything.

          • Phydeau says:

            Our economic system is so complex and fragile, all they have to do is put some troops around the Walmart distribution centers and the refineries, i.e. stop the distribution of fuel and food to America. We are not subsistence farmers like the Afghans are. They could live off the land. We can’t.

            The Army would not have to attack anyone in America… just open up the gates to the concentration camps and all of us starving citizens would file right in. You folks with guns could fight over the last few cans of beans, but eventually you’ll file right in too.

            But this is all ridiculous speculation anyway.

          • Guyver says:

            Seriously, you think there’s going to be an uprising? Your Bushmaster semi-auto against the government’s machine guns, tanks, planes, bombs, and nukes?

            Therefore taking away everyone’s right to bear arms is unnecessary.

          • Phydeau says:

            Therefore taking away everyone’s right to bear arms is unnecessary.

            Except for all the murders, suicides, and accidents that occur because of guns being so available.

            So it looks like we agree that guns are useless for defense against the government. Glad we got that straightened out. :)

          • Guyver says:

            Except for all the murders, suicides, and accidents that occur because of guns being so available.

            Violent crime has been going down in spite of liberal ideologies: http://tinyurl.com/d8kduxf

            You’re also ignoring hunting, home defense, and sport shooting.

            That all said, D.C.’s focus has been on rifles.

            And the number of ALL deaths due to firearms in this country (~30k) is 0.0000955 of a percent against the estimated population of U.S. Citizens (314 million). Or roughly 9.6 deaths for every 10 million people.

            Even smaller when you account for illegal aliens. Translation: Much ado about nothing. Especially when you account for the reality that hammers and clubs kill more people than rifles.

            So it looks like we agree that guns are useless for defense against the government. Glad we got that straightened out.

            What we do agree on is that liberals want to take away the Bill of Rights due to ideologies and not common sense.

            My point is given that gun violence is not the epidemic you seem to imply. Any gun-related death is ridiculously low (i.e. more children die of natural causes than by gun violence) that trying to take or erode everyone’s Constitutional Right is not necessary.

            If you TRULY felt as passionate about the matter as you seem to portray yourself, you’d be questioning why the chief law enforcement officer in the U.S. (aka Obama) refuses to enforce laws already on the books.

            But in true fashion, you’ll just blame something or someone else because liberals don’t take personal responsibility for their own actions so they don’t expect others to do so either.

          • Phydeau says:

            Since the topic seems to have petered out, I’ll indulge this diversion.

            Sorry that liberal killed your dad, Guyver. That must be why you’re such a foam-at-the-mouth wacko about them. :)

            Look, we’ve already agreed that the Constitutional reason for the Second Amendment is now irrelevant. Semi-automatic rifles will not suffice today to overthrow the government. It’s like the Third Amendment. Does anyone even think of that one any more?

            No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

            It’s irrelevant now, just like the Second Amendment.

            And just because you’re a fanatic on the subject, doesn’t mean people who disagree with you are fanatics also. You wackos think that a lot. No, I don’t think there’s an epidemic of gun violence. I just think that since the Constitutional reason for the Second Amendment is gone, we shouldn’t be afraid of limiting access to guns in whatever way we see fit.

            You may think that “only” 30,000 deaths per year is a price worth paying, but I say, what are we paying for? Certainly not anything Constitutional. We’re paying that price so gun lovers can have their guns, that’s it. But there are a lot of gun lovers out there, and the NRA is very well financed by the gun manufacturers, so I don’t expect anything to change. We will have our 30K deaths per year so gun lovers can have their guns. Political power is political power, fine. Just spare us the bullsh@t about how noble it is to own guns.

          • Tim says:

            Ten public servants knock on the door and nine leave with guns ‘n’ perps.

            Nine public servants knock on the door and eight leave with guns ‘n’ perps.

            Eight public servants knock on the door and seven leave with guns ‘n’ perps.

            Seven public servants debate the prudence of knocking on the door…

            Seven public servants knock on the door and Six leave with guns ‘n’ perps…

          • Phydeau says:

            OK, looks like this sub-thread has officially petered out too. Thanks Tim, for whatever that was…

          • Guyver says:

            Look, we’ve already agreed that the Constitutional reason for the Second Amendment is now irrelevant.

            No we didn’t. I humored your conclusion by stating that there’s no reason to rescind the 2nd Amendment.

            Semi-automatic rifles will not suffice today to overthrow the government. It’s like the Third Amendment. Does anyone even think of that one any more?

            This isn’t a Bill of Needs. It’s a Bill of Rights. It’s meant to limit the power of government. You propose making government more powerful. Should I be surprised a liberal wants more government? Nope.

            It’s irrelevant now, just like the Second Amendment.

            Not a valid reason to allow the government to cherry pick the very thing that is supposed to limit its powers.

            And just because you’re a fanatic on the subject, doesn’t mean people who disagree with you are fanatics also.

            Wow! So anyone who wants to continue constraining the power of government the way it was meant to be is fanatical? As opposed to what? Unlimited totalitarian government power? All you had to say is you’re just a big government anti-Bill of Rights nut.

            You may think that “only” 30,000 deaths per year is a price worth paying, but I say, what are we paying for?

            You and other big government wackos blow things way out of proportion in order to promote your ideologies. You don’t appeal to logic, you appeal to emotions which is explains the female tendencies the male liberals have. When you’re more likely to be killed by a hammer or club instead of a rifle, and you want to make rifles harder to get, then common sense has clearly flown out the window and you’re only motivated by your ideologies.

            We’re paying that price so gun lovers can have their guns, that’s it. But there are a lot of gun lovers out there, and the NRA is very well financed by the gun manufacturers, so I don’t expect anything to change. We will have our 30K deaths per year so gun lovers can have their guns.

            Not to worry, big government socialists such as yourself are trying very hard to invalidate the Constitution. With enough victims of government run education and an emphasis on emotional thinking instead of logical thinking you may just pull it off.

            Political power is political power, fine. Just spare us the bullsh@t about how noble it is to own guns.

            Limit the power of government and you deflate political power. Problem is you want more political power instead of less.

            You should try to exercise a lot more personal responsibility instead of having government covering up for all of your stupid choices in life.

            Once you become more logical, exercise more personal responsibility, and want less government power you’ll realize that you can live your life as you please instead of government dictating what you can or cannot do because you’re just and overgrown child that they need to baby sit.

          • Guyver says:

            Think the government would use nukes on our own soil?

            Think you are going to get the entire US military to turn on its own people?

            Keep talking like that and the Obama Administration may deem you an imminent threat and decide to drop a bomb on your house with a drone.

          • Phydeau says:

            Aw, still going? You base most of your argument on assuming the 2nd amendment still limits government power. I disagree, so there’s really no point in talking.

            But I saw that cute little lie you put in there.

            When you’re more likely to be killed by a hammer or club instead of a rifle, and you want to make rifles harder to get, then common sense has clearly flown out the window and you’re only motivated by your ideologies.

            We all know it’s handguns, not rifles, that are the problem. Did you learn that cute little lie at NRA school? :)

            And sorry you’re having problems with personal responsibility. Man up, grow up, and face your problems, don’t project them on other people.

  2. Egon Ruuda says:

    Female screams are the most annoying EVER. Wonder why they are thaught to scream in a shrill manner like that? Regular screams is not that high pitched and have to be thaught.
    If it was natural, children would do it, they do not: Unless rewarded for doing so at a very young age.

    Female screams is an abomination and i want them all to drink molten metal for producing that noise.

    • Tim says:

      Indeed. But if that metal were caesium, rubidium, mercury, or gallium it wouldn’t burn very much.

  3. mojo says:

    Boston – Austin? Hmmmm…

    Any anthrax rumors yet? I know the usual suspects are all hot to blame the tea party, but c’mon.

  4. Tommy says:

    Obama approval ratings are going up! Coincidence?

    See how that works, blaming this on the Tea Party is every bit as juvenile as blaming it on a false flag so Obama’s ratings will go up.

    Stop the armchair analysis.

    • Phydeau says:

      See how that works, blaming this on the Tea Party is every bit as juvenile as blaming it on a false flag so Obama’s ratings will go up.

      Stop the armchair analysis.

      Stop the armchair analysts from telling everyone else to stop the armchair analysis. :D

  5. orchidcup says:

    Now a talking head on TV says the Taliban uses pressure cookers to make IEDs in Afghanistan. Then he says this kind of bomb-making info is available on the intertubes and fairly easy to do.

    So what was his point? Somebody is making this event look like a Taliban attack in order to cover their tracks? The Taliban did it?

    This kind of silly speculation with no available facts is a complete waste of production time and viewing time.

    Somebody did this for attention, and we will all know who did it sooner than later.

    • Hmeyers says:

      I notice you didn’t use the word “news” in your post.

      Congrats!

      Obviously, you knew you weren’t watching actual news.

      Someday, someone should sue the news channels for false advertising.

      For example, CNN can just be known as “Cee En En”, where the letters don’t stand for anything in particular — like TNN isn’t the Tenessee News Network any more.

      [I did misspell Tennessee above, but the people in Tennessee won’t notice since they can’t spell it either].

  6. Mr Diesel says:

    They just cleared the Saudi student as a suspect.

  7. mjf says:

    I’m just going to say my thoughts are with the people who were affected by this horrible event and not waste my breath responding to some of the very sick people posting and making light of 3 people including an 8 yr old being killed. I hope you sleep well at night but I’m sure you do.

  8. bobbo, mindless violence is a challenge to society says:

    mif–the targeted audience for terrorist acts says ” some of the very sick people posting and making light of 3 people including an 8 yr old being killed.” //// Which is better, noting that 3 dead is almost a nullity, -OR- what I’ve seen quoted on Tv that “The Boston Marathon has been forever tarnished and after 180 (sic?) years will never be the same.”

    I think NOTHING BETTER can be done than to keep all “incidents” in perspective.

    You Know???

    911 caused the loss of 3000 people and about a Billion in Building Losses. Our response? 100K’s killed, I’ve lost track 1-2-3 Trillion spent just to fight the wars, the taking of many civil liberties even with the most armed population on earth, and of course, justification for reducing the capital gains tax because only the RICH with GUNS can protect us from manufactured unnameable fears.

    Sadly, only STATISTICS can put this all into perspective.

    Statistics. You know statistics. Its what science uses to lie to everyone instead of appeals to emotions or as mif does to revile those who aren’t jacked up on emotions.

    Emotions. True, they make life worthwhile and enjoyable. But not without BALANCE. You all Know what BALANCE is right?

    Silly Hoomans.

    • mjf says:

      I’m referring to fart jokes and talking about the way people scream. Not referring to the political talk which I am not really reading in any depth.

      • bobbo, mindless violence is a challenge to society and cooking clubs across America says:

        So your comments are no more accurate than a pressure cooker bomb eh?

        My error, I thought you were addressing more than the obvious. Kinda stepping on the Captains toes there.

        Quite disrespectful.

    • Hmeyers says:

      I think the Boston Marathon will be ok.

      If it weren’t for the bombing, I wouldn’t have actually known it was happening.

      Only people in Ethiopia watch that. And maybe the other “Feed The Children” countries.

  9. deowll says:

    Okay so we have a bit more, hopefully, solid information. The bombs where inside pressure cookers. They most likely ran on timers and used home made explosives or something equally low yield as I first surmised but the tests to identify what it was have yet to be done. It is now assumed that at least some BBs and nails and maybe ball-barrings where inside the cookers.

    I seriously doubt that the Saudi had jack to do with it or he’d have made a point of being further away but rest assured they will run him through the ringer until he hates Americans.

    While the cops think the cookers are clues it occurs to me that everything in these devices could have been picked up at garage sales and yard sells or whatever they are called where you live. The design could have been picked up from so many sources as to be pretty much meaningless. No doubt bombs like this were used during WW II.

    As the Gifford case made clear trying to ascribe a motive until you actually have some sort of clue who did it and why is simply asking to look like a malicious fool. I’m not going there.

    I’m also not going to criticize the law enforcement in Boston. The Nashville Marathon is coming up. I’m confident that they will do absolutely everything in their power to make sure this event is safe. Anybody feel like running?

    How easy is it to make a powerful bomb? Get a really large truck tire and fill it with pure oxygen and just for kicks add some hydrogen then cause a spark or hot wire with a timer and a battery. You will be amazed at how muck kick one of those can have when the tire carcase let’s go. The people that discovered that method for making a bomb did it accidentally. The spark came off the end of a device being used to patch a leak. The guy was killed.

    • bobbo, mindless violence is a challenge to society and cooking clubs across America says:

      I heard it reported that pressure cooker bomb containers is popular in the Middle East?

      Who cares.

      I think we should outlaw Pressure Cookers. The benefits of not having to soak your beans over night is not worth the lives of 3 innocent people!!!!

      That would be sarcasm….. yes it is. For “reality” all you have to do is add some math.

      I currently have 7 working pressure cookers myself. I’ll be expecting the FBI…. oops…. I mean “Obama’s FBI” to be knocking on my door any minute.

    • bobbo, mindless violence is a challenge to society and cooking clubs across America says:

      “As the Gifford case made clear trying to ascribe a motive until you actually have some sort of clue who did it and why is simply asking to look like a malicious fool. I’m not going there.” /// Down right ….. sublime.

  10. Hmeyers says:

    How many fingers am I holding up?

    • bobbo, Jr Culture/psychiatric/ethnic/social/art critic and general bonvivant says:

      HEY!!!! Thats not your finger.

      But you do have to hold it up!

      ((I kid. I know its a prosthetic.))

      • Hmeyers says:

        I was replying to a spammer. After his marketing crap got removed, it does make my reply look rather out of context.

        • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

          We’re talkin bout WHAT you are flashing, not WHO you are flashing to.

          Who be zooming whom?

  11. MikeN says:

    Have they looked into the Harvard guy who committed suicide after he was caught trying to download and leak articles from a science journal?

    I notice that Sen Roger Wicker who was targeted with a ricin attack, has as one of the first links

    S.649 Center to Advance, Monitor, and Preserve University Security Safety Act of 2013

  12. GVS says:

    “This is a drill, this is only a drill. Do not be alarmed. Do not attempt to run away if you have just obtained a missing leg…”

  13. moss says:

    Press conference at 5PM EDT, today, will probably offer a photo of suspect placing one of the bombs on the sidewalk near Lord & Taylor’s.

    Y’all can protest the use of CCTV over at Ron Paul’s website.

    • MikeN says:

      Hey, I complained on this site when they used satellite technology to find a lost friend of one of the editors.

    • Tim says:

      Funny {in a ha, ha kind of way not funny queer…} how that didn’t happen after Jones posted the 4chan pics. They were all ready to roll out lone 20 something hoodie with backwards cap dude… where did he go? Pfft…aaannd, it’s gone.

      Trust those establishment-run CCTV’s on every intersection much, do we???

    • Tim says:

      I’m so dreadfully embarrased, moss — I thought you meant 5PM yesterday; I’m such a derp– of course, you meant today as it’s coming up now at 5PM.

      Tornadoes headed our way… Film at 11:00.

  14. King-4 News says:

    It’s un-american and I condemn you for it…

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=69H2dq-LOm8

  15. MikeN says:

    Whoever did this bombing, perhaps in a few decades they will be hired by an Ivy League University, as Columbia hired Kathy Boudin, or perhaps they will have a movie glorify them made by Matt Damon, as Redford made The Company You Keep.
    Perhaps watching that movie inspired the bomber in the first place.

  16. Dallas says:

    Thank you two-term Pres Obama for quickly identifying and pursuing those responsible .