On Tuesday, the National Security Agency called at the University of Wisconsin on a recruitment drive.

Attending the session was Madiha R Tahir, a journalist studying a language course at the university. She asked the squirming recruiters a few uncomfortable questions about the activities of NSA: which countries the agency considers to be “adversaries”, and if being a good liar is a qualification for getting a job at the NSA.

She has posted a recording of the session on Soundcloud, which you can hear above, and posted a rough transcript on her blog, The Mob and the Multitude.

Make sure the read or listen to the whole exchange. It’s a hoot!



  1. Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

    The Egyptians are proving themselves more noble than Americans, both were subjected to thoroughly lying regimes, but they alone went to the streets in large numbers to overthrow it.

    • Tim says:

      Also, they are not shy about pointing shiny green 532 nm lasers at helecoptors.

      • noname says:

        Federal law, signed by President Obama in 2012, prohibits pointing lasers at airplanes in flight.

        Don’t the Egyptians know pointing lasers at aircraft is a hazard and against American law? Obama might invade Egypt to “PROTECT” American pilots!

        • Tim says:

          And it’s only as a ‘shut up slave you can’t have stuff’ measure. The danger to navigation {military = current and commercial/private = available} from laser pointers is no longer such a safety issue.

          A similar product is those auto-darkening welders’ helms only these ‘optical aids’ block out the individual frequencies; To blind them, is to sweep a very wide bandwidth so that blocking them all leaves one in the dark. That sounds pretty cheap and practical for the masses.. let me get my purse.

  2. bobbo, how do you know what you know, and how do you change your mind says:

    Two questions/issues come to mind. I have no answer.

    1. Does the universe have realities that will forever be denied hoomans? My gut says yes. It may be that time and causation are but a continuum but the tricks discussed are only available to subatomic particles….. who knows? So–the BS exists, but not for us.

    2. Likewise–its often said in movies that the most difficult thing for an intelligent person to do is to “play dumb.” Supposedly, it is impossible for a crazy person/dumb person to act sane/intelligently. So, I ponder a few of Alfie’s posts above. Sane and clever. Why then the pleasure in posting as a religious loon? Some perverse pleasure I am glad to be free of.

    Yea, verily.

    • Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

      2. There is a more likely explanation but you reject it…it is sanity and intelligence goes hand in glove with believing in Jesus Christ.

      The Evidence He rose from the dead, legally and historically speaking, is overwhelming and much of it, incontrovertible.

      And its elementary logic machines are too complex to arise from non intelligent cause, therefore….life being infinitely more complex, is so unlikely to rise from some unintelligent evolutionary cause as to be impossible.

      The latest game changer in are Comb jelly fish

      http://sciencenews.org/view/feature/id/350120/description/Evolutionary_enigmas

      Although not mentioned in the article is the incredible proposition these evolved with us…they are too different…

      • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

        Hey Alfie==I’m with you in Gods Grace but puzzle me this. I know what “hand in glove” means but is Jesus Christ the hand…… or the glove?

        Loving Christians want to know.

        • Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

          Changing the subject, aka evasion of facts, a fallacy.

          God predicted in detail what will be in these last days, but in symbol lest the time line be affected.

          Also its a hidden message unless one believe the natural meaning of scripture completely, and accepting its implicit and explicit teaching. Its all data to be deliberated upon by the wise.

          Everything happening today has been predicted. The Nephilim (Satan’s angels) have been seeding mankind with the idea extra terrestrial life has been guiding mankind and its genetic evolution. Hence the abuductions etc…its all meant to deceive.

          The final world empire in Daniel was Rome, but one would appear after it as a lamb with two horns…that is Britian and America. They empower the League of Nations but it dies, but it recovers and becomes the United Nations, the eighth king =(Sith Lord; AntiChrist) rules from it…with the remnants of American military power backing it up.

          God will end the prohibition against Alternate Reality Beings from appearing in our Matrix…and because Greek Philosophical and Religious premises about the soul, angels, heaven and heal have totally obscured reality modern physics is only now uncovering, most Christians will be shocked into disbelieving scripture.

          Same will happen to most religous people, all earthly ideas about God will seem obsolete.Times and Seasons will be changed.

          With all power and truly miraculous signs, that are lying because they claim to be for mankind’s well being….the Antichrist and his Nephilim backs will seem to bring about world peace…for a time…3.5 years to be exact….and then will claim to be God.

          Any who disagree will suffer fire from heaven that will consume them where they stand…upon a demonically powered craft he will fly over any enemy, and desolate all below.

          God is revealing these things now because the scene is set, there is no longer a chance this will taint the outcome…which will be precisely what God desires…a complete separation of the wheat from the chaff…

          We will learn then who will die free…in Christ…or who would do anything for a potato.

      • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

        Hey Alfie–good read you linked to:

        http://sciencenews.org/view/feature/id/350120/description/Evolutionary_enigmas

        I am dumbstruck you read that article and did not see even in this primitive base creature the mention is made of light sensitive structures. Guess what they lead to eons later? >>>>The eyes have it.

        You can see from the article that science is about competing theories finding facts that best explain the known variables. Its DYNAMIC, changing, incorporating what is known from other disciplines both close and far from the subject at hand.

        Disagreement is Welcomed. Nothing is “incontrovertible.”

        You ended by saying: “Although not mentioned in the article is the incredible proposition these evolved with us…they are too different…” /// Ummmmm….. do you know why it wasn’t mentioned?

        ………………………………………

        because such a notion is…………..BULL SHIT!

        With the multiple errors and stupidities in your review, I can’t tell if you actually read the article or not. Comb Jelly Fish did not evolve with us==they may be the “first” or the “second” or a lost independent ancestor of all animal life on Earth. They evolved into what we became, or we evolved from them (maybe). Do you even know the difference between those two statement or are you still dumfounded by the fact that we did not evolve from monkeys?

        Know what I mean Alfie?

        • Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

          Incorrect, when you say “…their strangeness, right down to their DNA, threatens much of what scientists thought they knew about the origins and early evolution of animals” what is being threatened is the usual linkage of these found in present evolutionary theory.

          “Comb jellies are more alien than any aliens people imagine,” he says.

          Start with their appearance: The marine animals resemble translucent balloons rigged with flashing, colored lights. Some species glow. When startled, some flash electric blue. Vertical rows, or combs, made of hundreds of iridescent, hairlike cilia run the lengths of their globular bodies (thus the name comb jellies). In some species the cilia are 2 millimeters long — 200 times the length of cilia in other animals — and they beat in coordinated waves, propelling the jellies forward, backward and diagonally in search of prey.

          It’s not just their appearance that is wondrous: Slice a comb jelly embryo in two and you get two half-adults that can fertilize themselves to give birth to a perfectly whole offspring. Some can reproduce while they’re still larvae. Though jellies lack eyes, Haddock and his colleagues have discovered proteins that comb jellies use to sense light. Comparative biologists like to joke that on the eighth day, God created comb jellies.

          …With just 150 known species, comb jellies represent only a small slice of the animal kingdom. But their strangeness, right down to their DNA, threatens much of what scientists thought they knew about the origins and early evolution of animals.-

    • Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

      Unfortunately for those like yourself, who reject God at all costs, it is prophesied the end time will be as the days of Noah….a strong delusion will overtake the earth the likes of which only existed before the flood….the Nephilim will return, pretending to be an extra-terrestrial race…and they will claim they seeded earth with life….a lie you will gladly accept.

      Anything but faith in God, who predicted these things to come, thousands of years ago…in detail:

      • orchidcup says:

        Okey Dokey.

        We are the ones that are delusional.

        Beam me up, Scotty.

        • Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

          If I pointed to New York City and told you it evolved via some unintelligent cause over time, you would believe I’m delusional.

          But even a single cell evidences technology far above that seen in even that great city…yet you not only suppose single cells came to be via unintelligent cause…you suppose that process repeated itself and explains the uncounted variety of life all around us, infinitely more complex than a single cell.

          Yes, you are delusional. Looking through eyes whose electronic signals are interpreted by a brain we still cannot make (on purpose, although intelligent), you suppose your eye and brain just sort of happened…

          You believe this in spite of reality which dictates entropy engulfs all organized states….everything decays to its simplest parts…nothing evolves.

          That;s the facts, Jack.

          • Tim says:

            Touching upon *entropy* your statement is true for a closed thermodynamic system of which we are not. There can be local pockets of un-notted and self-maintaining entities of any scale but these do require a flow of energy such that overall entropy does increase.

            What is required to satisfy the 2′nd law is that the entropy of the universe, in total, must increase during any processes.

          • Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

            The fact we are in an open system doesn’t prove your point at all. Without direction overcoming entropy, the complex disorganizes into the simple.

            1)Entropy does occur on earth or we wouldn’t have discovered the law;

            2)Shining the Sun on dirt (open system) will not cause the its particles to overcome entropy and grow into the Empire State building any more than keeping the dirt in perfect darkness (closed system).

            3)Entropy must be overcome even in open systems. There must be:
            1)a natural tendency towards the organization;
            2)direction such as exists in DNA of a seed into a tree.

    • Tim says:

      It is often said in movies, “Get the pubes off the lense before the celluloid gets it good!” — usually,too late, before it freezes up and the screen looks like a yawning sphincter-enveloped void to hell.

      But, I digress

  3. bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist says:

    TEA-Dud in an obvious attempt to amuse us all says:
    7/7/2013 at 10:00 pm

    If I pointed to New York City and told you it evolved via some unintelligent cause over time, you would believe I’m delusional. /// YES—we do.

    But even a single cell evidences technology /// Single cells have…… wait for it………………… ZERO technology. So far you have a perfect 100 for your score. How low can you go????

    far above that seen in even that great city…/// Nope. Not a single vending machine in a single cell.

    yet you not only suppose single cells came to be via unintelligent cause…/// YES….we do!

    you suppose that process repeated itself and explains the uncounted variety of life all around us, infinitely more complex than a single cell. /// NO… not infinite. An amazing variety, but infinity is a big, big…. I mean really big number….. You Know?

    Yes, you are delusional. Looking through eyes whose electronic signals are interpreted by a brain we still cannot make (on purpose, although intelligent), you suppose your eye and brain just sort of happened…//// No… they happened by evolution. No “sort of” about it.

    You believe this in spite of reality which dictates entropy engulfs all organized states….everything decays to its simplest parts…nothing evolves. /// As we eventually will. But within the general vector, energy is organized and becomes complex for moments in time. Ain’t that wonderful????

    That;s the facts, Jack. //// Hmmmm….. another fact: whats more useful? A door stop, or Alfie????? One of them has to be useful…… right?

    • Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

      Even you can see the similarity between life and machine, DNA and program…memory and storage…

      Therefore your rejecting the analogy indicates you sensed the power of my argument, and were at a complete loss how to contradict it.

      you can’t refute an argument by denying an obvious analogy.

      If you really believe in your denial, you will support it with logical proofs and show how there is no possible similarity between the intelligent design found in everything living, and technology.

      Realize you will have to prove technology never arose from comparing things in nature, because your premise is…there is no analogy, they are completely dissimilar.

      • Tim says:

        I certainly see the similarities, ‘Dude.

        It has been tossed about that, genetically speaking, we are 99% ardvark with some squishy bits in the middle.

        I don’t feel like I’m that much of an aardvark, even though I’m made of the same stuff.

        If God were a coder, he’d probably do what they all do from time to time and that is to pull out and re-use snippets of code instead of writing every little part of the latest and greatest app from scratch.

        bobbo might be more inclined to the idea of impetus to ‘evolve’ — the *elan vital* but evolve they do. I see that as technology; That groups of genes would continually strive to get better at what they do with what they have to work with and requiring the least expendature of effort and energy. Living things are just lazy like that.

        • Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

          The only thing lacking in evolutionary theory, is proof it happens.

          While we strive to improve our technology, that isn’t seen in nature. For example, if we evolved from apes, why are apes still existing? When we make an improved robot, the old robot goes bye bye.

          And point to the “evolution of technology” is petitio principii begging the question as it requires an intelligent creator to overcome entropy and make it better.

          Check it out for yourself. Pulverize your computer into dust and put the whole in a barrel and turn it to mix it thoroughly. In this “open system”, you are the energy that keeps turning the barrel so that every possible combination of molecule is made…

          Do you really expect to retrieve your computer intact, let alone a superior one?

          Of course not. It will remain dust even if Bobbo were turning the crank while ufo aliens probed his body cavities…

          • Tim says:

            Hmm. I think I let the smoke out of that one. Excuse me just one second {“shut up, bro; It was busted anyways!”} Now. Where were we?? oh yea. You are right, that smoke just doesn’t fit back right especially after it starts smelling like bakelite and hair.

            Still, Did God finally memory-hole the counterpart ‘enthalpy’ while I was backsliddin?

            The Last Question:

            http://youtube.com/watch?v=ojEq-tTjcc0

          • Tim says:

            And yet, I’ve got to go way out of bounds of the will of the creator of this operating system to keep it from trying to self-maintain; To update, to defrag, and to otherwise go exploring on it’s own in ways I just usually would rather it not.

            http://imdb.com/title/tt0100151/

            “I want to tell you the ocean knows this, that life in its jewel boxes is endless as the sand, impossible to count, pure, and among the blood-colored grapes time has made the petal hard and shiny, made the jellyfish full of light and untied its knot, letting its musical threads fall from a horn of plenty made of infinite mother-of-pearl. I am nothing but the empty net which has gone on ahead of human eyes, dead in those darknesses, of fingers accustomed to the triangle, longitudes on the timid globe of an orange. I walked around as you do, investigating the endless star, and in my net, during the night, I woke up naked, the only thing caught, a fish trapped inside the wind.” — Pablo Neruda

          • Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

            And where did AC get the energy to actualize the Word “let there be light?”

        • Tim says:

          I’m afraid, young man, that it’s analog turtles all the way down.

  4. bobbo, kicking retarded ass whenever they balance on their hind legs and yelp says:

    TEA Dud goes Maximum Retard and says:
    7/8/2013 at 8:44 am

    Even you can see the similarity between life and machine, DNA and program…memory and storage… /// Yes, I can. Without exception there is one or more similarity between any two different subjects. Some more distant than others to perceive.

    Therefore your rejecting the analogy indicates you sensed the power of my argument, and were at a complete loss how to contradict it. /// No, I directly contradicted your ERRORS in fact. Do You Alfie see the similarity between you and an ignorant bible thumper? Or would that be the same thing the concept of similarity losing its utility?

    you can’t refute an argument by denying an obvious analogy. /// Dipwad!!!! Yes…… I say DIPWAD! An obvious analogy IS NOT AN ARGUMENT! What a dumb shit.

    If you really believe in your denial, you will support it with logical proofs and show how there is no possible similarity between the intelligent design found in everything living, and technology. /// Moron. There are similarities between any two things. What you leave out is that there are DISSIMILARITIES TOO!! Intelligence beyond that required in Bible School requires a comparison of both to see which dominates on what scales and to make according judgments.

    Realize you will have to prove technology never arose from comparing things in nature, because your premise is…there is no analogy, they are completely dissimilar. //// You are an idiot. Surprising you and Mickey don’t exchange views more than you do……. hmmmmm….I think I just threw up a bit.

    Ah… I do crack myself up. I wouldn’t kick a diseased dog…but that is dissimilar in primary trumping characteristic from kicking Alfie.

    Yea, verily!!!

    • Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

      Insults indicate your intellectual capacity has been exceeded…the analogy of life with machine is irrefutable.

      An example, “memory” whether in the brain, or in a computer PRECISELY is identified by the same word “Memory” precisely because—-for all practical purposes, its the same thing…= analogy of the highest order.

      And just as a computer’s memory indicates an intelligent designer, so does memory in living things…

      AND keeping with my point, the technology behind biological memory is so superior to that found in human made devices…that we cannot make it one purpose, no matter how hard we try.

      If we can’t make it on purpose, how is it possible it arose by mindless accident. What does that say about our intelligence?

      What it does say about my argument, the analogy of New York City to a single cell is and overwhelming mass of irrefutable evidence your feeble arguments cannot overturn.

      It is universally known mankind got the idea of flying from birds.

      To that thousands of products could be listed here, precisely because there is a analogy of intelligent design…we can learn, augment our intelligent design capacity, by studying nature…because its intelligent design is superior to ours.

      Of course there are dissimilarities….but these are irrelevant if they don’t affect my point…

      Only a dissimilarity proving the design of life is unintelligent would render my analogy invalid and its as impossible for you to prove the design of living things chaotic…as it is proving a computer is brainlessly made, from a chaos of chance happenings.

      A Bible Thumper cannot be ignorant, he acknowledges the existence of God and is indicating what conforms to fact, that they Bible is the Very Word of God transmitted through men.

      A Bible Thumper then, is the antithesis of ignorance…and I am proud to be one of them.

  5. deowll says:

    The NSA should be scraping the internet for readily available public information and collecting and translating public documents, speeches, etc. They also may have a duty to find out what various “friendly” governments are actually telling each other such as Egypt and Libya or even what the heads of state think in private like when the several Egyptian leaders agreed we were their main enemy.

    That doesn’t mean they need to save everything on the net. They do need to profile and pay closer attention to people who have some likely hood of attacking the nation because right now what they are best at is digging up information after the fact.

    They also look like J. Edger Hoover raised to the jillionth power. If you don’t know what that means look it up.

    • Tim says:

      psst. Libya has crabs.

    • Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

      You assume its about stopping terrorism. I curious why you should reach such a unlikely conclusion…just because they say so?

      Spying on you or me won’t reveal one terroist….same with spying on Americans…the terrorists don’t use cell phones or email or internet any longer…Even Osama had ceased doing that well before he died.

      So its irrational to spy on Americans cell phones and email to find terrorists who don’t use such things…But Obama and his fellow control freaks are not irrational, therefore another goal must exist for all this spying…

      It was revealed in the last election…he dynamic targeting supports and enemies won him the election.

      If there is a major terror attack/world economic collapse and martial law is declared, knowing the network of family and friends and political associations of every American would facilitate suppressing any rebellion.

      Therefore, controlling Americans is why they are spying on Americans…that is the most likely reason for it.