Obamacare enforcer opts out…Har.



  1. Dallas says:

    If you have coverage, you’re all set. What are you trying to complain about ?

    • LibertyLover says:

      Then why is he trying to get exempted?

      Maybe he isn’t as “set” as you and he have been led to believe . . .

      • KoKo says:

        Looks like someone finally READ THE BILL!

        Problem is, it’s now a LAW!

      • Dallas says:

        I’m not sure why. Are you suggesting that the Obamacare terms are not a good fit for everyone?

        I believe it’s right for the vast majority which is why I think it’s a great compromise and why I just love Pres Obama.

        Did you get your healthcare provider refund check yet for not using enough of the premiums for actually paying for healthcare? ? I did.

        It wasn’t alot (~$60) but enough to buy a couple of meals at my favorite restaurant.

        • MikeN says:

          Nah, I didn’t get the check. I’m saving a lot more from ObamaCare, as I don’t buy health insurance.

    • Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

      I’m against Obama care because I am for freedom.

      But if I wanted to financially harm those who put Obama in office, I’d support Obamacare.

      Its the largest transfer of wealth from the young to the old in history. While insurance rates will skyrocket for the young and healthy, for the old and decrepit it will go down…and they can’t turn anyone down for pre-existing (and often self caused) conditions.

      An old fart could pay the small penalty for not having insurance, and when wheeled into the Emergency room, demand Obama care…which the hospital will rush to provide…on credit, in installments.

      So the geezer gets away with paying a few hundred till he’s sick, then when tens of thousands are required, the young and obedient will pay the bill…

      Of course the Senior citizen, laughing all the way to the bank at the thought that Dallas just paid his medical bill…will stop making payments, and resume paying the irs tax…of a few hundred bucks.

      Yes Obama supporters, especially you college kids….”thanks for everything….” -Rod Steiger (“Duck You Sucker”)-

      • Dallas says:

        If you’re for freedom, why do and your ilk stick your head in my crotch ?

        Also, stay out of women’s vaginas unless you know you’re way around. Your boy, Rick Perry couldn’t pick a vagina from a can of clams.

        http://bit.ly/13J0xJ2

        • Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

          That’s Major Virgina Supervisor, to you.

          I will be thinking of you when I appear at the local hospital, when it moves heaven and earth to get me covered under Obamacare…and spends the money you graciously contributed…

          Then when I leave, I’ll quickly cease making payments, and go back to paying the token IRS penalty for not having insurance.

          “Thanks for everything”- Rod Steiger in Duck You Sucker

        • Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

          “Thanks for everything” is a quote from the scene just prior to:

          http://youtube.com/watch?v=O50AMqsgAb8

          Imagine yourself there…

          “Thanks for everything….”

          • Tim says:

            Hmm. Tiny little pyroclastic flows. Now where have I seen that before? I’m truely traumatized by that clip. Now I think Coburn & Steiger did 911.

        • Tim says:

          It was the belly button, right?

      • Greg Allen says:

        >>Its the largest transfer of wealth from the young to the old in history.

        When healthcare freeloaders break their neck skateboarding, all that “transfer of wealth” (and more!) goes back to them on that first visit to the emergency room.

  2. bobbo, we are social creatures yet solitary at the same time says:

    What a cabal of raving loons. Except as usual for Dallas. Lets see….Rollcall:
    Pedro–doing all he can to attract Dallas as usual
    Timmy–too far tangential to have any impact as usual
    Loser–has it backwards as usual
    A/C–making conservative commentary without any engagement thereafter as usual

    Yes, its another sunny day here at DU.

    The IRS UNION MEMBERS have a better deal than the
    average
    non-union
    uncovered
    American citizen.

    The fog of war is being seriously pumped right now. Supporters claiming that premium under BamaGod Care are being cut by 40-60% while the lying FERP’s claim premiums are doubling. I guess we will have to wait a few more months to see if the FERP’s are lying as usual and the Dumbo are exaggerating as usual.

    Problem for the Nay Sayers: THEY HAVE NO ALTERNATIVE. Healthcare in USA is twice the cost of anywhere else on Earth with No 23 for results. The cost of second rate sickness coverage is bankrupting the USA and CHANGES HAVE TO BE MADE. ObamaCare is not the answer. Its just the hammer that broke the eggs. The omlete is still to be made.

    Onward commrades. Decent healthcare for all won’t hurt.

    • dusanmal says:

      The IRS UNION MEMBERS have a SIMILAR deal as 80% of pre-Obamacare covered Americans. Obamacare hurts most previously covered people, according to Obamadata used for pushing Obamacare at the time: it is about 80% of the population.
      Obamacare ruins that in two ways:
      1) Everyone covered now must pitch-in subsidies for non-covered, even non-covered who do not buy any healthcare product (as insurance companies now must prepare for them to drop in on a first serious illness).
      2) Everyone covered can’t keep their existing plans but must get coverages that they do not want or need because of minimal requirement made by Obamacare. Typically more expensive, not because of what you receive on things you want but because of things you do not need/want.
      (Not to mention consequence of a large proportion of those 80% who will LOSE their coverage completely because of Obamamandates).
      Everyone who have had coverage in the past will pay more for less. Again, that is 80% of the population by Obama’s own data.

      • bobbo, we are social creatures yet solitary at the same time says:

        Duce!===thank you for one of your few rational posts. We agree. ….. Well….

        I see 40MM without healthcare coverage at all reported all the time. Thats 13% of 320MM. Hmmm…nicely consistent with your 80% coverage figure. Well Done. HEY!!!—there are a lot of people in the USA===Ha, ha. I laugh at myself.

        OK Duce–spin me this: USA pays twice as much for “healthcare” and gets no 23 on the list results. Healthcare still as it has for years inflating at twice the average rate meaning our current system is ALREADY unaffordable==even for those who have it now, if you aren’t in a gubment union.

        Would YOU DUCE repeal Obamacare for the Status Quo Anti or would you keep some of the changes already made. Would you make other changes? What specifically.====Remember WE CAN’T AFFORD our current system.

        COWARD===>Stay anonymous, but feel invited to share your thoughts. (Fat Chance!).

        • TimbotCBIv2 says:

          Much of the ‘health care’ could be handled by individuals if not for prohibition and misinformation concerning natural, non-patentable, herbal cures.

          For instance, I’m currently using passionflower to supplant both cannabis and benzodiazines; Unfortunately for me, sewer lines must me laid and all my self-made becalment buried.

          http://youtube.com/watch?v=gWLrfNJICeM

          • bobbo, we think with words, and flower with ideas says:

            Why would you subplant cannabus? Especially if you can get a prescription for it and even grow it yourself???

            anyway—most herbal remedies don’t work. The active agents just aren’t present in sufficient quantities to be theurapeutic. No doubt, a few exceptions, but as a general rule….

            “individuals” don’t know enough to be chuck and jived by the naturalpaths under your notion just as they are chuck and jived by the MD’s of our current system. Hmmm….by the way==I’m not aware of any restriction on eating as many daisies as you wish, or waving saltpeter over a glass of water. Are you actually talking about getting paid to buy this stuff?

          • TimbotCBIv2.0.0.7 says:

            If you are just waving salt petre over a glass of water then you are, was, will be thinking it wrongly. Potassium nitrate, mined from petrified bat-shit, is to be used for explosives. By the way, what is a solipsism? I just like the sound of it.

          • bobbo, we think with words, and flower with ideas says:

            Not a yawp, but in the same ball field.

      • bobbo, we think with words, and flower with ideas says:

        Not to get too nit picky, but do you have any links??

        (Not to mention consequence of a large proportion of those 80% who will LOSE their coverage completely because of Obamamandates). /// Define “large proportion.” Seems dogmatic to insist a program that requires coverage will result in less coverage? You do know there are very few employers near the 50 threshhold where going part time makes any sense at all?

        Everyone who have had coverage in the past will pay more for less. /// FERP’s say that, Main Stream Media is reporting 40-60 % reductions in California and some other place. I’m sure they dishonestly cherry pick their data points too. Why am I the only honest kibitzer in America?

        Again, that is 80% of the population by Obama’s own data. /// I’m sure you have a link with Obama and 80% somewhere in it. Got a link??

        • MikeN says:

          Still don’t get it. But hey you used the term FTE so you must be right! Let’s just call TrayVon a fearless thug enforcer,
          or is it fag thought eradicator?

          • bobbo, we think with words, and flower with ideas says:

            Hey Mickey===still feeling the burn eh? Yea, the fte thing. I came across a few more articles and you might be right==that the Obamacare provision is so badly written that could be the result. Only VERY FEW employers so affected though.

            In the American System where healthcare is provided as an employee benefit==I think EVERY employer should be required to provide healthcare. Stop with the non sense that “small” means 50 employees for gawd sakes.

            One of my businesses had up to 12 employees. I provided insurance to all after probation period of 30 days.

            Issue of “living wage” is still avoided.

            I mean–just how much of a tyrant should employers be allowed to be given the alternative is A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD. Isn’t that what competition is all about???==>the same rules for everyone and then lets play?

    • flatwombat says:

      The hypocrisy is that if Government proposes and passes a law, then all branches of Government must be made to live with it. They are our representatives, from the top to the bottom and must abide by the same restrictions that we have. Pity that we don’t have a democracy, it might have made a better form of government.

    • NewformatSux says:

      For all your statements, we can simply evaluate who said what at the time, and how its working out to have an idea who to believe.
      Is ObamaCare reducing the deficit as was claimed?
      Is it reducing health care spending?
      Is it reducing premiums?
      Can you keep your health care coverage?
      Are jobs being lost because of the law?
      Are doctors leaving their practice early, or not taking new patients?

  3. MWD78 says:

    just like in the old days of the politburo. one good vodka for us, one cheap vodka for everyone else.

  4. KoKo says:

    A lot of the new Obamacare laws are actually pretty good! Things like preexisting conditions NOT being excluded from coverage are definitely good. Go figure! A “repuke” like me saying something like that. But then, if you recall, a lot of “repukes” (like me) were wanting changes like that for YEARS!

    The only problem with Obamacare is that MANDATORY PAY thing. It’s the one issue that has a lot of repukes nearly up in arms. Because just like Social Security (which I seem to recall was also lobbied against by the repukes), Obamacare will become another TAX and become just as susceptible to more government WASTE! We only need to look at Social Security for any crystal ball to see it! (They – the left – just don’t call either one a tax, probably because it might expose them for the hypocrites we all know them to be.)

    And never mind the Constitution which prohibits compulsory purchasing of PRIVATE products either. Products like insurance! We all know that any sort of Constitutionality didn’t exactly stop Bush. So why do you leftists want to turn a blind eye to it now that it’s Obama’s turn? I mean, do I even have to point out any of the other scandals involving Obama such as the IRS audit scandal or Libya or …?!

    … And whoever thinks that the previous system was bankrupting the American taxpayers simply has his head up his ass!

    Health insurance before all this Obama meddling was ENTIRELY PRIVATELY FUNDED!!! NO ONE was compelled (forced) to buy coverage. Any actual coverage was NOT subsidized by the government! That is, unless coverage was OPTIONALLY asked for or provided through some OTHER public program (such as Social Security).

    And sure! The government was deeply involved in health care and programs like Medicaid long before all this Obamacare crap too. Medicaid which continues to be a huge drain of public money – most of it going to the billing thieves!!! (Still think all these changes are such a good thing?)

    But the morons probably still want to argue. They will probably even bring up other programs like Medicare. But that’s because the average leftist moron often doesn’t know the difference between what a government ASSISTANCE program is and what COMMUNISM is (as if there really were much of a difference other than that “FORCE you to do it” thing).

    The facts speak for themselves. No health insurance company accepted any bail out money and the government never compelled anyone to pay for coverage. It’s as simple as that!

    But then, the health care system was (is) broken. And health care before Obama may soon be a great example of what happens when too much government regulation is imposed and when greedy companies – as well as the government – gets involved. So maybe now you can see WHY Obamacare was born. Just don’t try and bullshit yourself into thinking that it had ANY sort of humanitarian reasons. We all know the real reason is entirely over MONEY — that infamous substance that all of us “repuke” CITIZENS still have too much of.

    • MikeN says:

      Everywhere the rule for preexisting conditions was passed it raised premiums, and tended to produce a death spiral and eventual repeal of the rule.

      • bobbo, we think with words, and flower with ideas says:

        Yeah–true or not, you are talking USA where decent civilized healthcare for all is DEFEATED by the RICH because they think healthcare is a right granted only by money.

        Now in Europe and elsewhere, everyone is covered with pre and post existing conditions all at half the price.

        You can’t be more F*cked up than recommending the USA Medical Sham===now can you Mikey?

        • Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

          Yes, just as they got rich by stealing money from those who have none (somebody explain how that works!), so they plot daily against bobbo and Dallas to deny them good health.

          After all, they don’t really need anyone drive their cars, tend their lawns, or maintain their boats…

          The rich bastards just sit around tossing wads of cash into the air, and scheme against the poor, poisoning their water and food.

          Its not you that is sick…its them.

  5. bobbo, we think with words, and flower with ideas says:

    … And whoever thinks that the previous system was bankrupting the American taxpayers simply has his head up his ass! /// What percentage of GDP should be spent on healthcare in your opinion? How fast compared to the average inflation rate should that sector of the economy be permitted to grow, and if at more than the same rate of inflation, how many years of such destructive growth be suffered before action is taken to correct it?

    The facts speak for themselves. No health insurance company accepted any bail out money and the government never compelled anyone to pay for coverage. It’s as simple as that! /// Its indirect, but we all pay for highly expensive and wasteful sick care expenses through the emergency rooms of America. Its mandated. Same argument really for MediCare and Medicaid. Depends on how you want to define compelled and what target group you are thinking of.

    As our healthcare system is broken as you say–what is any better ((affordable)) coverage scheme? Even Obama did not want Obamacare. He just caved so fast that Universal Coverage/payer was hard to spot. fyi==that would be mandatory too, just as any system to actually work must be. aka==healthcare is not a natural subject for the free market to utilized…without blood in the street. Course, mix FERP gun policy in with Free Market, in with Healthcare==and thats just what you would get.

    Amusing.

  6. Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

    This illustrates how great and all powerful the elite ruling class has become…congress, their staffers, the irs…are above the law.

    We are forced to abide rules and regulations they are exempt from. The make 40-60% more than their counterparts in private industry, retire after 20 years at full pay…making a mockery of the the term “public servant.”

    The rule the roost and serve only each other. They “came in peace,” and the cook book is “how to serve the public, rare or well done.”

    The only consolation for us tea party folk, is the sweet revenge watching those who voted Obama into power, who voted for the statist tyranny…become its fodder.

    As they slip into tryanny and poverty…they get what they deserve. The descent into third world status can afflict us only a few more years, college kids will suffer for decades.

    And its good they do. They got what they deserve. Obamacare, insurance that transfers their wealth to the elderly…right up till they day they get sick and learn the good doctors have all opted out.

    I’ll be in their waiting rooms, getting great care for cash…using Obama care only when the cost is thousands….otherwise, paying the irs penalty which is far cheaper than the third rate insurance that is so bad, the people who wrote it opted out.

    Like entering a restaurant and the owner cook and waitresses won’t eat there, but you are forced to….Low information voters, like the defenseless, get mauled every day…get precisely what they asked for by their inaction.

    • Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

      That’s one great benefit of Obamacare, there is competition among doctors for cash patients. As more opt out of medicare and Obamacare, the quality and price of medicine obeys free market forces…and it gets better and cheaper…

      Tooo bad for the young, forced to work part time and have no health care….the idiots who voted for Democrats and Obama…too bad, so sad…dickheads…at least condoms are free…for now.

  7. Captain Obvious says:

    Americans spend way, way too much on health care. For example, Alfie’s meds bankrupted Detroit.

  8. Chris Mac says:

    Relax, FEMA has enough bullets for the lot of you.

    • Tim says:

      Are you sure about that? After all, they have got to pump the first three hundred or so into a dog or a boat upon every raid.

  9. Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

    One unintended consequence of Obamacare, is the creation of a free market medical community that will deliver the best possible health care for the least cost.

    Too bad Dallas and bobbo can’t afford it, Obama care will consume most of their net income.

    • Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

      That is, it will be a cash only market as the tens of thousands of regulations of Obama care, made accepting insurance impractical…and stupid.

    • MikeN says:

      ObamaCare lowers many people’s health care spending. Previously they were paying $200 a month for insurance. Under ObamaCare, this cost has gone up by hundreds of dollars a month, so now they spend $0 on insurance. Just like how cap and trade would work.

      • Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

        Excellent point. Only sick, wealthy old people make out, the young must pay their share of the added cost, effectively transferring the wealth of the young, to the old and decrepit.

        In the past, the old and sickly had to pay their way…or if too poor, then they were covered by the saftynet.

        But now, the rich can opt into Obamacare as they are being wheeled into Emergency….and the young will pay the bill…

        the wealth of the rich is thus protected…

        “[Dallas and other Obamadules in the cart]—Thanks for everything”-Rod Steiger, Duck You Sucker!

  10. Greg Allen says:

    I am already “opted out” because I get my health insurance through my employer. They same if you get it through Medicare. Or the VA.

    For most Americans, Obamacare is already in place. I, personally, love that I don’t have a lifetime cap any ore.

    That loudest anti-“Obamacare” voices are the dumbest among us.

    • Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

      If I were your employer I’d cut your hours to 29 a week, and point you to the exchanges.

      I’d wish you well, and congratulate you on getting precisely what you voted for.

      I’ve opted out also. Don’t have health care at all, who needs it? When I’m wheeled into the ER, the hospital will move heaven and earth to get me covered…even if in a coma…I will miraculously be covered….

      When well, I’ll go back to paying the IRS penalty…

      Obama care is great for me, it just sucks for the country, its young, and everyone’s freedom. Wait till “(You’re too fat!) Michele requires you work out and eat Government approved gruel every day, rather than sit around and watch TV. I can hear you complaining now?

      • Tim says:

        Yes, but if your liver fits in me and I’m in compliance well then the beauracracy just gives it to me — by the terms of the contract, you have to be dead first; Fine. Nobody has had their liver taken out by us and survived.

        http://youtube.com/watch?v=aclS1pGHp8o

        • Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

          Death panels won’t apply to me….I’ll pay CASH and get quality treatment at the lowest possible cost.

          If not here, then in Mexico or India. I hear a liver transplant+round trip air fare is under $2,500.

          Its true you’ll be insured right up to the day you need timely treatment…then because so many doctors opted out of insurance (to spare themselves the tyranny of Obamacare, and its exorbitant bookkeeping expense), I’ll be using YOUR doctors whenever I visit for a pain.

          I’ll get immediate service, usually within the hour…

          While YOU will wait 6 months to a year for even the most basic procedures….waiting for a doctor so incompetent and stupid he couldn’t make it on his own in a competitive market.

          The very first thing you should look for, is where your mind went…after that butterfly kicked you in the head…perhaps a pea can substitute?

          • Tim says:

            Cash? Tisk, tisk. All the beer stores will say every bill is counterfeit. I’m afraid your gonads are causing you to think uncorrectly. It is indicated for us to interdict and remediate the whole sphere of the consternation; Pity, we haven’t any anesthetic.

      • MikeN says:

        Yea, one person I’m advising is going to be switching to more part-time workers, and even firing a few people by cutting hours that he is open. Unbeknownst to the employees, he is evaluating who are the most outspoken Obama supporters as the ones to be fired, making sure they know that ObamaCare is why they are losing their jobs.

    • Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

      re cap, there is a rationing board….

      http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2013/07/29/howard-dean-obamacares-rationing-board-is-a-bad-idea-and-will-fail-n1651742

      Perhaps you don’t recall Obama telling Ms. Strum her grandmother would likely get a pill, not pace maker:

      http://youtube.com/watch?v=U-dQfb8WQvo

      Its worse than that. Recently a 12 year old girl was denied a lung transplant (until a judge overturned the decision).

      So nothing you believe about Obamacare is correct.

      The greater good is served by Obamacare being applied to you fully, 29 hour work week, exchanges etc…so you don’t confuse the generosity of your employer, with that of Obama.

      You should suffer the consequences of inflicting Obama on others.

      • Tim says:

        Oh, man. It’s because when I get one of those calls I go into a rant about herbs and shit and that I have embraced ‘hope’ that they die in a fire. — I feel so terribly culpable, right now.

  11. NewformatSux says:

    > I came across a few more articles and you might be right==that the Obamacare provision is so badly written that could be the result. Only VERY FEW employers so affected though.

    Might be right. No wonder Pedro calls you wishy washy. Perhaps you should apply that skepticism to people who tell you what you want to believe.

    And it’s not very few employers, which is defined as 2.

  12. MikeN says:

    So how about we cap the total amount of subsidies under ObamaCare to the amount they said it would cost when it was passed? That way if they are right, then they should be happy, and it ensures the deficit doesn’t get further out of control if they are wrong. That’s a reasonable compromise, right?

  13. bobbo, we think with words, and flower with ideas says:

    NewformatSux who must be high on that new energy drink Purple Dank coming out of the hood says:
    8/4/2013 at 1:49 pm

    > I came across a few more articles and you might be right==that the Obamacare provision is so badly written that could be the result. Only VERY FEW employers so affected though.

    Might be right. No wonder Pedro calls you wishy washy. /// Hard to tell just what Pedro means when he posts. He is about as accurate in his use of words as you are.

    Perhaps you should apply that skepticism to people who tell you what you want to believe. /// Ha, ha. THIS very example demonstrates such skepticism. Can’t you read any better than Pedro?

    And it’s not very few employers, which is defined as 2. /// No dumbo. Only you and Pedro might define it that way. No one that can read a dictionary.

    As my college prof used to say: “Give them books, and they eat the covers.”

    Silly Hoomans. Only one idiot per donkey.


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