The Canadian sci-fi show (shown on the SyFi channel in the US), Continuum, has as a future a world where the corporations make the fascism of the past look trivial by comparison. The police are primarily there to stop people who commit “crimes” against corporations. At its core, beyond the time travel part of it, it is about the difference between a terrorist and a “freedom fighter” where you aren’t entirely sure who, despite tactics, ultimately are the bad guys.



  1. dusanmal says:

    Barking under a wrong tree, distraction from a real fascism danger: BigGovernment dictating BigCorporations dictating WeakCitizens. That is inevitable order of fascism. Without BigGovernment, there ain’t any winning for BigCorporations. With BigGovernment BigCorporations do the bidding of it and yes, get benefits in exchange. Without BigGovernment, there are no possible benefits.

    • bobbo, we think with words, and flower with movie references and crack pot political dogma says:

      Hey dusanmal–nice short pile of nonsense. Thats good for a change. You haven’t changed your cant no matter how challenged. How deep is your rut?

      Yes–the issue of “Big.” A DOG WHISTLE to the unthinking. Calling forth the knee jerk brain dead zombie ditto head voters.

      BIG = FATALLY AMBIGUOUS and meaningless.

      My take on the word: it is a dog whistle for the 1% to lower taxes which makes government weak. Weak so that regulations are not enforced and the 1% can continue to risk OPM to make their fortunes. THAT is what a criticism of government being “Big” means.

      For the form of your analysis above to be somewhat accurate, meaningful, and helpful I think what you should identify as Big is: CORRUPT.

      Yes–a CORRUPT gubment bought and in the pocket of CORRUPT Big Business does turn the citizenry into a sad sack of humanity. These corporations are not powerful “per se” but what they do have is MONEY and in a gubment system that is CORRUPTED BY MONEY, then the corps can have their influence.

      You see every element of this right now on the issue of ObamaCare. Imagine the 99% who vote against healtcare for themselves because of the various dog whistles being blown.

      Just Look.

      So Duce–if you are a shill and a zombie, keep using “BIG” when big has nothing to do with the issue except as a poorly chosen synonym for what you might be thinking of. Shill or Thoughtful?

      Your choice.

      • Tim says:

        After a crash, Big benevolent government has become immobilized, being racked with sorrow because it failed to hold onto bobbo —

        http://youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=RUBaRqY_NqA&t=110

      • Better Red than BLEW! says:

        BIG = FATALLY AMBIGUOUS and meaningless.

        Make up your fucking mind! First you say that you want MORE BIG GOVERNMENT by implementing MORE GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS designed to help groups of people you can’t even identify (and despite sage old wisdom where we are warned that the road to hell is paved with good intentions). Now, you say you think big government is bad?!

        What happened? Did you get an offer to be part of Hillary’s entourage or something? (That same group of idiots who helped her husband run the country and flip so often that they now can’t even make a right turn at a street corner simply because the direction is “right”!)

    • Poverty is always sad to look at. And this building is a symbol of poor government and politics!

      • Better Red than BLEW! says:

        It is a symbol of a weak government too eroded by greed to do it’s one and only job of serving the citizenry.

        Just look. There’s no building authority to make sure the structure is safe, no police presence to make sure the inhabitants are safe, and no taxes to make sure everyone else is safe. Taxes that might go towards some sort of a military industrial complex or even a domestic authority such as a judicial system charged with fair enforcement of any sort of laws. After all, you get what you PAY for!

        Hmmm. Seems there’s a theme here. Safety! And despite what our own government tells us — that they can’t be 100-percent effective at always protecting us — you just have to wonder WHO’S safety they’re really talking about. However, try looking at what Hurricane Katrina did or even what happened in New York if you need any clues.

        So believe what you want. I still say that a smaller government taking less money just might be more effective than a large lumbering bureaucratic mess. But then, that’s the other lesson here that no one seems to see.

        You could say that building is akin to something of a micro nation and seems to be working quite well for all those who are living there. Of course, I say “seems to” since I never heard anything about any gangs who might be stealing/extorting items of value from the residents in order to make sure they are all safe!

  2. Mextli says:

    We are already there. Detroit estimates it has 78,000 “abandoned and blighted” structures and it’s not alone.

    • Better Red than BLEW! says:

      Change is indeed the only constant in life. However, change does seem to be quite hard to accept for those who have grown fat relying on the same old thing. Detroit is a PERFECT EXAMPLE!

  3. Mextli says:

    Sorry if I was OT. I was speaking about the Tower of David.

  4. Ken says:

    I’ve always wondered where these corporations get their power. They can employ armed gangs, like the government does, but if people don’t give them legitimacy as they do government, from where do they get the ability to regulate the activities of human beings? Given how ruthless and profit oriented these people supposed to be, how does one corporation not go rogue and provide security, at a price, to counteract the security for the other corporations? Either corporate leaders are low down and ruthless, or they are honorable. Somehow, in the minds of the boobus, they are both.

    • ± says:

      Corporations get their power from lobbies being allowed to influence politics with money.

      If you want to pick one thing that can make the biggest positive change in the least amount of time, then make it illegal for lobbies to donate a lunch, a dime, a pen, or anything of value to any politician or political group.

      Lobbies can still exist, but their method of coercion needs to be soley that they are able to convince a politician that their cause is the most good for the most people.

      • msbpodcast says:

        Corporations get their power from lobbies being allowed to influence politics with money.

        Correct!

        Depending on how much influence and power they have bought, they go from only being able to suggest a change to legislation which would favor the corporation, to telling the power elite that such an such a government needs to be overthrown because they’re getting uppity*.

        Our 12,400 family strong oligarchy is definitely in the second category. (And that includes everybody on the Forbes list of the world’s richest.)

        It doesn’t matter wether its a foreign government or not.

        What the people actually encumbering the place want doesn’t matter either.

        The profits of the corporation must be maximized. (Read The Arms of Krupp to see how far the dynastic corruption of wealth really extends.)

        Corporations really aren’t people because they have no brain, nor any heart and never have any trouble getting to sleep because of a guilty conscience.

        The rise of baronial power families in American politics (The Kennedys, the Bushes and a host of petty state and local dynasties, coming after the Roosevelts etc.) tells me that the country is degenerating into an anti-democratic morass.

        If Chelsey Clinton can’t find some proper way to earn a living, we’re screwed.

        *) Google General Smedley Butler for a domestic example. He was almost involved in the plot by the bankers of the time to overthrow F.D.R. (He was a general when there was very little difference between being an economic hitman and a real one.) The bankers didn’t quite have enough power.

        • Tim says:

          “”It was a right wing consortium of America’s most trusted names: Heinz, Colgate, General Motors, DuPont, J.P. Morgan, Goodyear, and they were deadset against F.D.R.’s “socialist” policies (sound familiar?). So they hatched a plot that revolved around American veterans organizations and Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler, a two-time Medal of Honor recipient revered by America’s vets who had a reputation for quelling rebellions overseas for American business interests.

          Nor did the bankers have any interest in Butler beyond the successful execution of the plot — Their real Decider installment was to be MacArthur

          “We need a Fascist government in this country to save the nation from communists…

          http://populistreview.wordpress.com/tag/smedley-butler/

          • Tim says:

            *baronial power families*

            My, my. And just when one thinks he knows everything there is to hate about Shrubs and then to read that it was Prescott Bush who put the plot together.

            They are such loathsome, scab-crusty creatures poxing up place all the time.

            Hillary/{baby-Bush} ’16 !!

    • Better Red than BLEW! says:

      “…from where do they get the ability to regulate the activities of human beings?” Are you fucking kidding me?! Try TV, MOVIES or anything which involves HOLLYWOOD!

      You seem to fail to realize that people are like SHEEP! They are mindless eating machines that only differ when it comes to any sort of brain stimuli. Both are always on the move and always looking to be led even if it’s to slaughter! That’s about the only thing Bulbous-oh ever got right.

      People don’t exactly give up their rights to self governance since most never really realize that they ever had it. Some truly don’t. But for those who were given a chance at real freedom(s) are usually the ones who whine the most at their inability to obtain the shiniest new bauble. If they whine enough, these sheep will eventually get their shepherd to get that bauble for them. Never mind what it COSTS either!

  5. pedro says:

    Sure, the responsibility is only of the corps, the government is just a victim here (rolleyes)

  6. Uncle Patso says:

    Too damn many people! Every government and every corporation should provide free contraception to every citizen and every employee and every contractor.

    ZPG!!!

    • Tim says:

      It would probably be more cost effective to offer free Google Glass to let them chop your dick off.

    • spsffan says:

      I’ll meet you and raise you 5. Contraception should be put into the water supply, along with the flouride. After we reduce to about 3 billion, and the planet starts to heal, we can ease up a little. And we’ll have good teeth.

      Meanwhile, beware of all corporations.

      sarcasm on:

      Except of course, Soylent Corp.

      • Better Red than BLEW! says:

        Guess what runs corporations?

        Care to take a guess?

        The answer is people like YOU! Only difference is those who run corporations are just a bit smarter and quite likely more motivated.

        So yes. I agree! They ARE more corrupt! But let me see if I understand you correctly. You want to chop their nuts off?

        Did you happen to get stabbed in the head by one of those trees you were hugging?

        • Tim says:

          Why, yes; Paint them paisley and have a hacky-sack sale on the concourse.

  7. bobbo, we think with words, and flower with movie references and crack pot political dogma says:

    Is this where we are headed? //// No. We are already half arrived.

    1. Tower of David. /// USA still rich enough to bulldoze the wreckage of our CORRUPTED capitalist elements. No Towers for the USA–that is what JAILS are for. See the parallel?? Just look.

    2. Continuum. /// Damn!==I’ve been watching that show and didn’t realize it was “that deep.” While I constantly multi-task so that my attention is not focused on the boob tube, my clever plan is to watch it once now to gain a rough opinion as to whether it is worth keeping and then later in life sit down with popcorn and beer to actually pay attention. So far, I thought it was about that babe trying to find the tightest fitting spandex body suit she could. Ha, ha—more than skin deep eh??? The notion of a police state formed to protect crimes against corporations is just what I think of with most RIAA and copyright enforcement BS. The “market” for such would not even exist in a free market. The exception comes from government and is enforced by CORRUPTED gubment. Yes, we are half way arrived.

  8. bobbo, we think with words, and flower with movie references and crack pot political dogma says:

    Slightly tangential but 100% on point. A must see on so many levels:

    http://news.techeye.net/security/taiwans-nma-outdoes-itself-with-brilliant-obama-nsa-parody

    I’ve posted several times I don’t care about the surveillance, but that I also think it does now and will lead to violations and excesses. Watching this video, I’m starting to see I focused too much on the technical legalistic presentation of the NSA program and not enough on the original “spirit” and purpose of the 4th Amendment, 1st as well.

    I am willing to “risk” another 911 to guarantee our domestic freedom. MAKE our gubment figure out better ways.

    It is all various continuums intertwined with one another……HAH!

    • Tim says:

      That was truely horrid. I like it.

      I’m gonna repost this because it just really hit me hard today:

      Cage of freedom
      That’s our prison
      We’re the jailer and captive combined
      Cage of freedom
      Cast in power
      All the trappings of our own design
      Blind ambition
      Steals our reason
      We’re soon behind those invisible bars
      On the inside
      Looking outside
      To make it safer we double the guard
      Cage of freedom
      There’s no escaping
      We fabricated a world of our own…

      Cage of freedom, growing smaller
      ‘Til every wall now touches the skin
      Cage of freedom, filled with treason
      Changing sides as the losses begin
      Our suspicion tries escaping
      But they step up the security
      There’s no exit–there’s no entrance
      Remember how we swallowed the key?
      Cage of freedom, that’s our prison
      We fabricated this world on our own…

      Big brother
      Is there a bigger one watching you
      Or is there one smaller
      Who I should be watching too
      Infinite circles of
      Snakes eating their own tails
      For every one chasing
      Another is on the trail
      Is that a friend
      Can you tell, is he on your side?
      ‘Cause I spy with my little eye
      Yet another spy… — Jon Anderson/Pete Bellotte/Giorgio Morodore , Cage of Freedom

      http://youtube.com/watch?v=QSbc0JpxA8w
      http://youtube.com/watch?v=_C8MtzRK2ZY

      • bobbo, we think with words, and flower with movie references and crack pot political dogma says:

        Started as a powerful existential call to recognition but then jumped (changing “we” to “they”) to garbled pop lyrics chosen for their rhyme rather than their meaning.

        Very few songs withstand any textual analysis. Sad, since books have no beat?

        Ha, ha.

        • Tim says:

          Well, meat’s meat and a man’s gotta eat; So there are all kinds of critters in Uncle Vincent fritters.

          • bobbo, learning to cook from scratch has its rewards. Losing weight is not one of them says:

            I made some deep fried corn fritters last week on my way to making apple fritters. Lots of different approaches there.

            LUV to see how Uncle Vincent would do it.

          • Tim says:

            Motel Hell’s farmer Vincent’s fritters:

            http://youtube.com/watch?v=i-bRuSNSvcU

          • bobbo, we think with words, and flower with movie references says:

            HAH!–I remembered the cabbage patch kids but not the cutesy jingle.

            My my, your recall of movie clips is as extensive and useful as my word a day calendar.

            What can we do with all this explanatory power?

        • Tim says:

          IDK, I rather think Guy Murchies’ Music of the Spheres syncs pretty nicely with this Banshee Beat:

          http://youtube.com/watch?v=jj-0vMrZJbo

          • bobbo, we think with words, and flower with movie references says:

            Sounds just like the Cocteau Twins.

          • Tim says:

            That must be because HAARP is transcranial fucking you up even as we type!

        • Tim says:

          Well, it is old now so, I guess, it does not have much relevance. Yet, I was left with the feeling that the transition was intentional — Something ‘we’ built is now a ‘they’ that does not hold our self-interest in high esteem.

    • Better Red than BLEW! says:

      Anyone who chooses to ignore any ONE right as defined by our CONSTITUTION deserves NONE!

      You, BOOB have said you don’t think the 2nd Amendment should even exist. You have given your reasoning some of which I even agree with. It doesn’t make a damn bit of sense to strap a cannon to your ass and then take a walk down main street USA nor does anyone “need” more than 15 bullets for hunting either. However, it’s STILL part of the Constitution!!! Never mind that “freedom of expression” thing or due process of law (even to those who violate the law) either!

      So now you want me to stand with you on 1st and 4th amendment issues? WHO MADE YOU GOD?

      FUCK YOU!

      • bobbo, we think with words, and flower with ideas says:

        Not only do I think I did not say what you credit to me, I think I said just the opposite.

        Is that even possible, or must I stand outside space and time?

  9. NewformatSux says:

    Tall slum, labeled Barack H Obama Tower

  10. Tim says:

    It’s just like Max Payne in the Favela:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efmwxLgldNY

  11. Mr Diesel - Bobbo who thinks nothing is wrong with child porn says:

    We need Soylent Green.

  12. AdmFubar says:

    headed???america was founded on this! :)

  13. Mr Diesel - Bobbo who thinks nothing is wrong with child porn says:

    PS I watch Continuum every week. First thing I noticed about the second season is that she had skin tag or wart removed from under her right eye. I even went to the first season to be sure.

  14. Taxed Enough Already Dude says:

    Uncle Dave Fail.

    Confused liberal rationalization—Continuum’s future logically results from the present— Obama’s nascent fascist regime.

    Liberate are those who love liberty, but disagree on tactics.

    Obama’s fascist regime tries to destroy them using every lever of government coercion, IRS, EPA, NLRB, NSA etc. just as the budding police state is attempting to destroy liberate.

    So the Caracas connection fails is irrational, nothing real connects the two. The slum dwellers aren’t suffering under fascism, they are suffering under socialism.

    The socialist central planners area allowing the Tower of David Slum to exist, corporations are demanding they be relocated to sustainable housing and the building returned to its intended use.

    Just another confused thought piece of the irrational left, haters of true freedom and diversity, in thought…they only want diversity of sex.

    • msbpodcast says:

      Obama’s nascent fascist regime.

      If you think its all O’Mama’s fault, you’re an idiot.

      They’reall the same.

      It doesn’t matter which party, the party structure is at the heart of the problem.

      It doesn’t matter which election, the electoral structure is also at the heart of the problem.

  15. omfgoats says:

    It’s fascinating that everybody is born with a life debt which the rich can at least afford to live with and that the governments simply turned over the reins of power to the corporations In the show.

  16. ShotgunMo says:

    That tower has to be the inspiration to the backdrop of the final act of Max Payne 3. (as Tim eluded to earlier…) … just finished the game… was on sale on steam… sorry to interrupt…