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  1. bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist and junior history buff says:

    Irony–unless you focus on who is doing the reporting. In that case, bin Laden was a freedom fighter when fighting the Soviets, but became a Terrorist when doing exactly the same things for exactly the same reasons against the USA.

    Happens all the time.

    Hmm…I zipped past an article about 7-9 other perimeter countries with long close ties to Russia that could be gobbled up for all the same reasons America fulfilled its Manifest Destiny and enforces the Monroe Doctrine.

    Politics/hypocrisy/self interest/silly hoomans.

    Just ….. look.

  2. ECA says:

    we had this argument long ago in Cagematch.
    And FOR SOME, they dont know the history of the Russian fighting..
    1. it was for MORE OIL..
    2. USA made promises to Afghanistan if they would fight.
    3. WE supplied them

    NOW more points.
    1. war ended 1990(?)
    2. Promises were not kept by USA..(ask bushes father.)(yes we had 2 bush family members as president)
    3. WHY in hell are we still in middle east? OIL..

    • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist and junior culture critic says:

      Yes, I remember the good ol’ days when DU maintained its own websites.

      To your point though…isn’t it clear by now that the USA doesn’t need Iraq/ Even Mid-East Oil?===I think so.

      Its BIG OIL that wants oil and BIG OIL has the US Gubment in its loose change pocket.


      Its just garden variety corruption….. same as always.

    • Mr. Brick (in a glass house) says:

      Duh! It’s always about the oil. Who didn’t know that?

      Do you think anyone would fight nearly as hard for central Africa or Ukraine?! (Maybe if you lived there…)

      But look a little deeper and you’ll see the real reason anything happens is all about MONEY!

      Deeper still and it’s all about what Putin and your favorite politician is all about — POWER!

      But then, all anyone has to do is look in a mirror and ask: “what would I do with a Trillion Dollars and a giant schlong?” That’s right! The answer most men give is: stick it in something! (So aren’t we all just a bunch of fucking monkeys?)

      • ECA says:

        to a point it IS about oil..and the pipelines threw those countries to the EU..
        For SOME ODD reason..the USA says it cant use USA oil, because it has to much Sulfur(?).. So we sell it off shore to other countries(?)..

        Think about that..the CORP sells it off to make money..
        The CORP then IMPORTS oil to the USA and sells it to us..
        They recoup their costs by selling OUR oil, then buy and over charge for IMPORTS..
        we also see this is WOOD products.

        For SOME odd reason we call it a TRADE deficit..
        WE cant TRADE as much as we TAKE..but it IS/WAS our goods int he first place..

        But even the oil industry will tell you the REASOn they use OIL, is because its CHEAP..
        1 barrel of CRUDE is broken down to 1000 products, they get an Equal amount of FUEL for cars and everything ELSE is PROFIT.. And they are getting over 100/1 for converting it. 100 times from that barrel, in product.

        • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist and junior culture critic says:

          I don’t think there are any pipelines thru Afghanistan…I could be wrong, I’ve just never read they are there. Pipelines are thru Ukraine I think.

          …I said it was about oil….just not directly by the USA but rather BIG OIL. BIG OIL has the USA invade and occupy Iraq so that BIG OIL can make all the money and pay no taxes on it.

          BIG OIL = BIG SCAM.

          Next door neighbors brother is visiting from Alaska. He confirmed he gets a check every year from Alaska State Gubment for his share of the Oil revenue.

          Where’s MY check?

  3. MikeN says:

    The article mentions his home in Khartoum. Sudan offered to hand him over, but the Clinton Administration said no, because they didn’t think they could build a criminal case against him. They were with the line of thinking among liberals that terrorism is a law enforcement issue.

    • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist and junior culture critic says:

      You think at that time USA’s best move was just to go around the world assassinating everyone we had major and minor issues with huh?

      Let me guess—you fully support Obama’s use of Drone Strikes around the world?


      • MikeN says:

        No need to go around the world. He would have been sent to us. And you accuse others of not reading.

        • Captain Obvious says:

          We should have killed Hitler in 1932 when we had the chance.

          • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist and junior culture critic says:

            Yeah, fun to think about. With Hitler dead, who’s to say some more rational German Nationalist wouldn’t have come to power, USED the Jewish resources Germany had, and won WW2?

            Germany lost WW2 “mostly” because Hitler was nuts.

            But, fun to think about.

        • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist and junior culture critic says:

          Yeah…keep thinking Mickey. He would have been sent to us, we would have received him…and then what?



          what would have happened next Mickey?

  4. jpfitz says:

    OBL was 30 meters from the Ruskies and they were trying to capture him. OBL was under bombardment but was so peaceful in his heart the OBL fell asleep.

    Then a flying carpet came along and ferried OBL to safety. The last sentence I made up of course.

  5. moss says:

    Still my favorite from that era:

  6. Archives says:

    Hmm… Yep. Consulting the Al Quiada {farsi — the Base; euphamism for toilet/CIA codeword for personnel directory — a database}, young Timmy Osmond was, in fact, high as shit that day.

    Incidentally, the ruskies’ database was codenamed Johnny Cash but that was later rescended due to trademark conflicts with an up-and-coming portable pay toilet service.

  7. SPOCK says:

    john… i like the gutenberg project mention.
    i also hope the both of you continue to make
    book suggestions. i’m always interested. thx.


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