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A Northern Ireland bakery run by devout Christians could face legal action after it refused to make a gay-themed cake depicting the Sesame Street couple Bert and Ernie.

Ashers Baking Company published a statement on its website defending its decision to refuse to bake the cake as the slogan above the puppets was in support of gay marriage. Northern Ireland’s first openly gay mayor, Andrew Muir, has backed legal action against the bakery, saying businesses should not be able to pick and choose who they serve.
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In its statement, the firm’s general manager, Daniel McArthur, said: “The directors and myself looked at it and considered it and thought that this order was at odds with our beliefs. It certainly was at odds with what the Bible teaches, and on the following Monday we rang the customer to let him know that we couldn’t take his order.”

McArthur said the company had offered to fully refund the customer, who wanted to have the logo of the pressure group QueerSpace on the cake.

Continuing the lefts agenda to shut down any business that disagrees with them. I’m not sure which is worse, the fundamental Christians or the radical Left when it comes to shoving their ideals down your throat. Either way, it’s extremely annoying to me.



  1. Carlos says:

    Being able to order a cake from the bakery of your choice, with the political slogan of your choice is a hooman right!! Sucks to all you phonohomic haters!

  2. bobbo, the only true Libertarian posting here who recognizes its a nice concept the precepts of which should not be applied as an absolute unless you are alone on your own little island says:

    Marcel says:
    7/10/2014 at 6:03 pm

    That bakery is not a government funded public service, they don’t have duty to serve anyone. /// Its good you know of the difference between gubment actors and private citizen actors. Different rules may apply to the two distinct groups…. unless a law says otherwise, which you continue to ignore.

    They do have a licence to sell to the public but not an obligation to do business with whomever. /// Isn’t the point of this case just exactly the opposite?

    Earlier, your have said: “You give up some of your “fundamental rights” when YOU CHOOSE TO GO INTO BUSINESS.”

    I just can not agree with such nonsense. //// Ding dong==thats the POINT of this case. Rephrase: when you are engaged in business you ARE NOT ALLOWED to discriminate against people for illegal reasons. Why?==>because it disrupts commerce.

    I don’t feel it’s right to sue them for refusing service, but if some want to sue some else that’s their right too. /// You are talking out of both sides of your mouth. Pick one position and be consistent. Wishy washy otherwise.

    I just wonder who would judge side with. /// What issues do you think have not been established?

    Bakery owners are religious dumbasses and if they refused service to me I would sabotage their business by not shopping there anymore and maybe even convincing my friend to do the same but I would not feel a need to sue them. /// Not shopping there would not be sabotaging them, not that such terminology changes anything. I just respect words, what words mean, the thinking that goes with them not to abuse them so. My typing notwithstanding.

    Once again I am not going to change my dogma as you put it, I used to run a small business myself (custom made PCs) and no one could ever force me to sell my products to anyone against my will or modify a product in such I way I did not agree with. Some clients were too stupid to handle the computer and I knew they would be too much trouble down the road to be worth the little profit I would make. I lost out on a business opportunity in such case but it my right, the same way as I cannot force anyone to buy from me and no one else. /// And would you be “right” to not sell your computers or services to gays, blacks, handicapped, wrong religion, ethnics, single people, married people, vegans, sports hunters or whatever other group your attention was drawn to? Can you see where attitudes such as yours would drive our society?? If you don’t want to interact in a civilized manner with people, DON’T GO INTO BUSINESS. Operate a forum instead.

    Or prevent me to choose with whom I am going to be friends with or not. /// Interesting how you sprinkle your analysis with totally irrelevant factors. I suspect you conflate these various issues. Your FEELINGS, with the rigors of fair dealing. Confusing issues of friendship with those of merchantilism all while assuming the moral universality of your own position over others.

    You seem to be someone who feels to be oppressed //// Huh? How am I oppressed? I am arguing in support of those others who are oppressed by your form of infantile libertarianism. But I am a Collossus striding forth upon the land.

    for some reason and have a need to fight against “discrimination” //// well, there is a glimmer of the light at the end of the tunnel. You can verbalize the issue. You just think your rights to be nasty are greater than the rights of others to be left alone, to be free in our society.

    or someone who enjoys deep philosophical discussions /// Actually, for several years now I’ve been searching for shallow philosophical discussions. Not deep enough to dip my toe, just skimming across the surface.

    and have deep set need to prove your point and supremacy. /// Deep set need?……. Imagine my disappointment.

    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    Well Marcel. Not that bad for a libertarian. What you really need is simply to experience the harm yourself instead of always dishing it out.

    Take the NFS challenge: Should society allow the 3 Muslim taxi drivers to refuse service to you at the airport at midnight…. or do they give up their own religious druthers when they choose to become licensed taxi drivers FOR THE PUBLIC?

    It should not be too hard a stretch from that to all other areas of commerce.

    Try it. Should only be uncomfortable the first several dozen times you try to act like a human being.

  3. bobbo, the only true Libertarian posting here who recognizes its a nice concept the precepts of which should not be applied as an absolute unless you are alone on your own little island says:

    I call myself the only true Libertarian and most others including all those posting here, infantile libertarians.

    I often post: FREEEEEEEEEEDOM: leaving other people alone. Another way to phrase that emphasizing a different point is: FREEEEEEEEEOM: being left alone. See the difference? The first is “true” the second is infantile.

    The first makes FREEEEEEEEEDOM an obligation ON YOU to perform, the second makes FREEEEEEEEEOM something you passively receive.

    We think with words, and flower with ideas.

    Its the same word/idea yet different at the same time.

    Ain’t that cool?

  4. pedro says:

    bobbo will be immensely happy when all he sees in the blog are his posts. Too bad he has to make due with a mere 50%

    • bobbo, the only true Libertarian posting here who recognizes its a nice concept the precepts of which should not be applied as an absolute unless you are alone on your own little island says:

      OH Pedro…… its gonna be 50% me, and 25% YOU complaining about it.

      Why don’t you try posting something that anyone else wants to respond to?

      Like having a dick over 3 inches long, you’d be in new territory.

      • pedro says:

        Complaining? Me? I’m only rooting for you. The way to achieve your goal of total dominance is what you have been doing intermittently thus far: toss away the lithium.

        But I will not allow to let your words go to waste, I’ll try and answer to myself more often, just like you do.

        • pedro says:

          Like this. I do have to make my self-replies as non-sequitur as possible. It’s damn hard though, I don’t know how you do it.

          • bobbo, the only true Libertarian posting here who recognizes its a nice concept the precepts of which should not be applied as an absolute unless you are alone on your own little island says:

            OH Pedro….you crack me up. So personal, so obnoxious for no reason at all, almost playful.

            Don’t focus on me….respond to someone else with something helpful. Thats always a good start.

            What do you think of the NFS challenge…or is being directly responsive entirely beyond you?

            Or…. talk about what interests you: Noriega or Cat Scanners? Heh, heh.

          • Tim says:

            Let’s talk about ducts.

            Specifically, what if someone had a cat named Noriega Smugglepuss III that just happens to have accidentally burned off its’ wiskers and got lost in one…

            https://flickr.com/photos/werw/176596103/

          • Tim says:

            If not ‘ducts’ then how about sewers? They are kind of like ducts especially aboard motor homes and space stations…

            I’ve an idea to save Noreiga Smugglepuss from his life of clandestine trudgery. I’m going to give his job to a robot…

            Think a tube crawler kind of thing — the micro mechanical/electrical sensors, servos, memory-metal muscle wire, controllers, and expandable interface {a smart trunk} can go into this readily available shell —
            https://tailgrab.org/2011/03/matrix-sentinel-by-hot-toys/

            Now, the fun part. Trakker A is deposited into peer A’s toilet. Trakker B into B’s. Flush. When next they meet up and swap data then all the information is available to program our little mechanical mule to navigate the Hershey Hiway from A to B and visa versa.

            *not for use with septic systems unless both peers are in the same trailor park

            **If one does not have access to vlf transponders then gyroscopic inertial guidance can be used to correlate with the next nearest p-trap track.

            ***should not be used as a dead-drop sneakernet

            ****rinse well after use

          • Tim says:

            ^^ I’m serious about that… It is time to raise the job description to a level of what a narc actually does. Let them go fishing in the shit — Their quarry is avoiding the normal trails.

            While it was true that the prototype units suffered from a defect in the sensor system rendering it vulnerable to high levels of shit and piss, only a few units did not respect the waterline and continue to shoot up the alimentary canal and out the mouth of the client… I still blame prohibition for what the kids had to walk in and see…

      • IM75 says:

        What an ass!

  5. NewFormatSux says:

    If you open a business, you work for the government, and must do whatever they say. That is the new fascism of the liberals.

    • bobbo, the only true Libertarian posting here who recognizes its a nice concept the precepts of which should not be applied as an absolute unless you are alone on your own little island says:

      Right you are NFS….. but its not new…… just the way it always is.

  6. JudgeHooker says:

    Why haven’t you guys gotten rid of Bobbo yet?

    • bobbo, the only true Libertarian posting here who recognizes its a nice concept the precepts of which should not be applied as an absolute unless you are alone on your own little island says:

      No one has made a cogent or even expressed argument.

      Yours is?

    • Ah_Yea says:

      Why is Bozo the Troll still here? Because this is a minor blog run mostly by children.

      If there were any adults in charge, eideard and bozo would have been gone long ago.

      Unfortunately the children in charge seem to think having eideard the hate monger and bozo the troll drives up page views. What these children cannot understand is it drives away the adults who have real insight to share.

      It’s mildly amusing every once in a while to check in to see how the peanut gallery is doing, such as I happened to do today. Otherwise, this blog is a waste of time.

      • bobbo, the only true Libertarian posting here who recognizes its a nice concept the precepts of which should not be applied as an absolute unless you are alone on your own little island says:

        Oh No!===We were somewhat friendly the first few months a few years back. Can you remember what I said/the topic that got you so cross wise with me?

        Seems to me you anti-bobbo types are too self centered. THE WHOLE POINT OF A FORUM, is an exchange of viewpoints. That means, some will agree, and some will disagree.

        Why don’t you respond to which ever camp you enjoy and stop trying to control this little part of the universe by your hurt feelings.

        Know what I mean?

        • pedro says:

          “Seems to me you anti-bobbo types are too self centered…”

          And bobbo keeps calling other people black

          • bobbo, the only true Libertarian posting here who recognizes its a nice concept the precepts of which should not be applied as an absolute unless you are alone on your own little island says:

            Exactly so Pedro. I “like” everyone here. At most, I get disappointed so many are used to operating so far beneath their obvious potential.

            Part of being better than we were yesterday is opening up to new ideas.

            Don’t you agree?

          • pedro says:

            If only you read your own words…

          • bobbo, the only true Libertarian posting here who recognizes its a nice concept the precepts of which should not be applied as an absolute unless you are alone on your own little island says:

            OH Pedro. Be honest, be direct.

            Do better.

    • IM75 says:

      Good question. Where do I vote?

  7. dave m brewer says:

    Just make the cake and put, “I LIKE IT IN THE BUTT HOLE.” on it…

    • bobbo, the only true Libertarian posting here who recognizes its a nice concept the precepts of which should not be applied as an absolute unless you are alone on your own little island says:

      The customers wanted to celebrate their marriage. Why would putting anything other than what they wanted be appropriate?

      Be honest, be direct.

      Do better.

      • NewFormatSux says:

        They wanted the Christian baker to celebrate their marriage. This is really hate speech on the part of the Left.

        • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist and junior culture critic says:

          No…they wanted the Baker to decorate their cake.

          Why don’t you deal with religious tenets being forced on you that you don’t agree with?

          The Muslims Taxicab Drivers======>GO!!!

          You are just a typical religious hypocritical bigot otherwise.

  8. Slartibautfaust says:

    Just another case of using religion/SUPERSTITION as justification for hatred and discrimination.

    • pedro says:

      Just another case of using a false sense of discrimination as justification for hatred and social engineering

      • bobbo, we think with words, and flower with ideas or with BS depending on what you think those words mean, or you just don't care what words mean and you mix their meaning willy nilly to make a word salad of whatever point du jour has your palms all sweat says:

        Pedobrain–how is being refused services because of sexual orientation not a REAL discrimination giving rise to a REAL sense of it?

        Words have meaning. they aren’t like taco’s at all.

  9. Rottenham says:

    “I’m not sure which is worse, the fundamental Christians or the radical Left when it comes to shoving their ideals down your throat.”

    Man, ain’t that the truth!

    Comments on this post are packed with people who feel entitled to tell others what to think and feel, because of their own superior opinions. [spits on ground]

    • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist and junior culture critic says:

      How many ideas are tied?

  10. No matter how much we try to honor someone’s religious beliefs, sometimes a civilized society must insist that people do the right thing instead of following their superstitions. That is precisely why we no longer allow members of our society to put others to death for the “sin” of adultery with a married woman, as was the Biblical punishment prescribed and followed by early adherents of Judaism, from which Christianity evolved. These days, most of us would recognize that as murder, but it was part of their religion.

    Sometimes doing the right thing means ignoring religion, not following it. If we can insist that people not commit murder in the name of their religion, why shouldn’t we be able to insist that they refrain from harmful discrimination as well? We’ve already proven that we’re willing as a society to incarcerate people for following some of their religion’s worst practices and commandments, so whatever other encroachments on their religious “freedom” that we make is just a matter of degree, not principle.

  11. mfDX says:

    If a baker (or cab company)refuses to serve me based on my race, orientation or political beliefs, I say “fine” and take my business and money to his competitor. And I’ll encourage all who share my views to do the same.

    If a public servant refuses to serve me based on my race, orientation or political beliefs, we all have grounds to rally and remove that person from his post.

    …(me dropping the mic and walking away)

    • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist and junior culture critic says:

      Your personal choices are yours. This OP is actually about the legal/moral issues involved and the legitimacy of other decisions.

      You do speak as if:
      1. You haven’t had a life of such discrimination that varies from harmless to life threatening.

      2. There are other providers conveniently available.

      Why the microphone analogy when you are posting on a forum? Is it anything at all like dropping a deuce and not flushing?

      • mfDX says:

        Wow. You are an ass.
        Do I really need to say that I’m a black anglophone who grew up in seperatist Quebec? Unable to flag cabs after dark? With store owners refusing to serve me in english?
        No. I didn’t need to.
        I simply took my money across the street.

        Yes. My statement was based on the assumption that there are other bakers in Northern Ireland. The news story didn’t allude to this being the only bakery in town. Or that anyone who hopes to make a living must shed their socio-political views.
        That’s why most wedding photographers don’t shoot porn.

      • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist and junior culture critic says:

        mfDX–YOU are the one posting that it is “OK” to discriminate against people. I would go into personalities that do that….as time may permit and only with your permission……….

        The news didn’t allude to there being other bakeries in town either. Its called: revealing ones own assumptions which is what I recited and you agreed with.

        “Or that anyone who hopes to make a living must shed their socio-political views.” //// Oh…but they must. THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS THREAD. ….. and why yes, I did put an edge on my post.

        What does shooting porn have to do with decorating a cake? ///// Such a statement is another duece!!!!!!

        We are in basic agreement on all issues, and you think I am an ass. …….. tick……. tock. Ain’t that a kick?

  12. bobbo, we think with words, and flower with ideas says:

    Well, reviewing the last few posts, I see a fairly good example of …..

    CONFLATION.

    Conflate Defined: combine (two or more texts, ideas, etc.) into one.

    Its difficult to find any idea expressed without some degree of conflation going on. Its a great sin and leads to really bad thinking.

    mfDX–you did this expressly in your response and in your analysis.

    “If a baker (or cab company)….” //// This thread is about a baker and you conflate this with a cap company. Two very different things. Why did you do this? What confusion will it introduce??

    And then you do it again:

    “refuses to serve me based on my race, orientation or political beliefs, ” /// This thread is about a baker who refuses service based on orientation. You now add race or political beliefs. We now have 6 completely different variations on a theme, only ONE of which is relevant to the OP. The confusion???==If MY POST is about the baker who refuses service based on orientation and you respond in the context of any of the five other circumstance…. then we aren’t really connecting. All 6 instances have some things in common, but they also have many things that are different. Yes, CONFLATION = CONFUSION = COMMUNICATION FAILURE.

    I say “fine” and take my business and money to his competitor. /// If you return…. is it “fine?” And don’t conflate that with “you have no other choice.” Yes, all kinds of conflation available with every word we use.

    And I’ll encourage all who share my views to do the same. /// Do the analysis for all 6 variations. You know that “basically” market forces DON’T WORK. People don’t act in concert to a common goal. Thats why without exception people form gubberments and find that with all its pros and cons, its better than being left to one’s own individual efforts.

    If a public servant refuses to serve me based on my race, orientation or political beliefs, we all have grounds to rally and remove that person from his post. /// Quit BS’s yourself. Typically, gubberment workers DON’T discriminate because the Employer forbids it. A rally?? Please, grow up.

    …(me dropping the mic and walking away) //// Thats what really irritated me….. don’t know why. Acting as if you have the final word when all you have done is shit on the floor. What we need now, is some kind of rally to get it cleaned up.

    I posted without regard to race as THE NON-CONFLATED ISSUE was orientation NOT race. You add race, you got a different issue. See the evil of conflation? I assume you do. Stop it.

    When a cab passes you by, you don’t have a choice. The relevant issues are quite different from cake decoration.

    I am an ass all depending on how you define one. Just like everyone else.

    Know what I mean?

  13. Greg Allen says:

    Gays, like you and me, pay taxes that make businesses possible —

    – for the roads, the sewers, the legal system, the monitary system, the police, the fire, air transport, food inspection, and on and on and on.

    If gays pay the taxes, then some biblically-ignorant Christian businessman doesn’t get to deny them service.