This is going to be interesting, and I’m going to post updates on the progress. Just ordered a new solar system for my house from Solar City. And it’s not going to cost me anything out of pocket. They come out and put it in and then they become my electricity provider. I still get a small PG&E bill for the meter and gas I use, but the rest is billed from Solar City.

Yes – technically I could have saved even more if I built my own or bought one outright. And probably could have done that. But Solar City is one of Elon Musk’s companies (as in Tesla motors and SpaceX) and I like what he’s doing to improve the world so I decided not just to do what’s easy but I feel good about giving them my business.

Plan is to get 15 panels. I really only need 12 but I just wanted to generate a little extra power just for the hell of it. What’s amazing is that with an electric bill that’s only $75/month they still could actually save me a few bucks. But I’m doing it mostly because I like the idea of not burning carbon to make my power. And I get to save money doing it.

Technically because I had them add 3 extra panels my saving is less. I would have saved $12/month but not I’m saving only $1. That’s OK because that’s what I want. Money isn’t the biggest factor. But in the future my savings will increase because PG&E rates will go up faster than Solar City. The contract says they can only go up 3%/year max.

But – I want to get some personal experience with solar. That way I can talk about it from experience. There isn’t anything cleaner than solar power. Although I think the immediate threat from global warming is exaggerated, one can not deny that it has some effect. And I know that it will be bad in the long run to pump all the carbon into the environment. So reducing one’s carbon footprint and saving money doing it is a good thing. Most of the time being green costs more. This costs less.

Realistically I’ve been thinking about the big picture. In some ways PG&E is getting screwed because 1/2 of their costs is maintaining the power lines, not making the power. So since the solar power is effectively “stored” in the PG&E grid they are getting short changed from that aspect.

However, solar makes electricity on those hot summer days when PG&E needs it the most. PG&E has to have the ability to generate enough power in real time to meet peak demand. So if they can’t do that they have to ask some of their big power users to shut down so they can power our home air conditioners. But since I will be generating excess power not only will I not be a drag on the system, but I’ll be powering my neighbor’s air conditioner as well. The PG&E can sell their power to other customers and not have to shut them down. It also reduces their line posses on high demand days, and it makes it so they need to build fewer power plants to have the capacity to cover hot days. So PG&E gets some benefits too.

Also, as Solar City expands to more and more sites eventually they might become the nation’s biggest power provider. And that will get them some political clout to go up against big coal and oil. So I’m also stopping some strip mining and fracking, and I’m not funding Muslim terrorists as much. Although an electric car would make a bigger difference there.

There’s another interesting aspect to this as well. I might actually make some money at this. They have a referral program that pays me $250 if I get someone else signed up. And I get an extra $100 on a second level signup. And I’ve made a lot of money in the past with affiliate programs. So it’s going to be interesting to see how that works out as well.

 



  1. Ah_Yea says:

    Finally something worth following!

    I am very interested to hear how this all works out and your take on how well solar works.

    Great!

    • Marc Perkel says:

      I will update it as it progresses.

    • bcfactor says:

      I used to work for SolarCity and can show you that there are much better deals out there. I’ve been in the solar industry for over 6 years and I know how their contract works. I really hope you weren’t sold on the fact that you would own the system at the end of the agreement or that you can purchase it for the amount shown in the yearly table on that agreement (Big thing to note is that its the minimum purchase, which will then be done by a third party that Solarcity hires). Anyways if you want just let me know if you want a few more pointers to make sure you’re getting the best deal with the best company.

  2. dusanmal says:

    Side note related to NetNeutrality of all things: Notice how now you get a small bill from local utility… for ACCESS to electric network/power grid. All of us have that item, just do not pay much attention to it. Rest of the bill are KWh actually used that MUST be made from resources, power generation which costs money.
    For JCD, Steve Gibson,… other Internet celebrities who promote “charging by the bit” there is a practical lesson. You charge a small, fixed fee for ACCESS, equal to all – be it 30 room mansion or studio apartment; whether they use thousands of few KWh per month. Same should be for the Internet. Bits ARE NOT GENERATED at cost of resources that must be regenerated once used. Internet is zero-sum game. Bits sent by one party paying for access to Internet are seen by another party paying for access to the Internet. Hence, the access fee is the one and only one fee that customers should pay. And in a zero-sum game, all bits are equal.

    • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist striving to become a Nerd says:

      Aren’t you describing the Net Neutrality we have right now and the issue is not access but rather SPEED once you have access?

      A different issue, or what am I missing?

      • Tim says:

        the bigger issue for some is *latency*. Especially for a coordinated realtime measurement… the distance doesn’t even matter so much when it might be a quarter second to get out of the fucking everybody-slopped-with-one-pipe-but-still-twisted-copper-inbread-hermorphroditic-sisters that ‘last 200 ft’.

        uverse sux

        • bobbo, a student of the dismal science who who does not understand Macro Economics once you get off an island with 12 coconuts, 3 canoes, and 6 paddles says:

          How is latency not speed? More Hawking radiation?????

          • Tim says:

            I suppose *bandwidth* is the better word. A supertanker can deliver a large payload but nobody thinks of it as particulary ‘fast’.

            latency- delay – lag … you can go 700 mph but that last fragmented piece of luggage is still 2 hrs away on the next flight out…

          • NewFormatSux says:

            You need to keep it simple. Start with how the internet is a set of tubes.

          • Tim says:

            You see, bobbo? The internet is a set of tubes….

  3. bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo says:

    I also Bravo your support of Solar Musk. Sad to think it comes from the same stank as your assessment that “the immediate threat from global warming is exaggerated.”

    There is no significant immediate threat……. other than droughts and heat waves and more powerful hurricanes and the Arctic jet stream dipping down to the East Coast, perma-frost disappearing with release of methane, NorthWest Passage open now for Russian oil drilling, islands and deltas and glaciers disappearing….. but nothing in your neighborhood? Very expansive world view.

    Solar City’s “investment” is fixed and limited to the cost of solar equipment…. why should there be any escalators at all?

    The analogy: you are in a bus that has just driven off the “Road of Death” in South America with a 1000 foot gorge beneath you. “So far….no immediate threat.” The crash is 3.5 seconds away. Its all about time frames. AGW will disrupt world society in 22nd Century killing off most hoomans.

    Sounds fantastic doesn’t it? Thats what AGW MEANS!

    • Marc Perkel says:

      The escalating rates actually make sense. Basically they have to recoup their investment to make a profit. They could charge a flat rate per month to do that. But but escalating the rate they can charge a lower rate up front to make the argument that “we are cheaper than the current rate”. If it were flat then it might be more expensive and they would make less sales.

      • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist striving to become a Nerd says:

        You are quite right…… if that is the math behind it….. and not baked in increasing profits…… which is also “OK” as long as the math is all correct and what you thought you were buying.

        I like this kind of program very much. Everyone should get on board.

        Its the Future…… while it lasts.

  4. Egon Ruuda says:

    Does JCD even have anything to do with this blog any more? He has stated several times that Elon Musk’s buissnesses are scams to fleece the taxpayer through huge subsidies for his products.

    • NewFormatSux says:

      Robbed California of hundreds of millions by claiming extra credit for fast swap battery stations for the Tesla. They produced a demo that was like those software demos where the software isn’t done yet. wouldn’t surprise me if they were doing something like that here.

      They are one step below the mafia in Europe which sold solar electricity at night.

    • Tom T says:

      I believe that JCD died years ago and is but a clever computer simulation these days…

  5. dusanmal says:

    Now back to the topic on hand – this is great as long as Government is out of the loop, taking from me and giving to you/Solar City. I would be extremely happy if this program existed on its own merit without any Governmental interference. Sadly, Solar City IS getting Federal Government subsidies (quite huge ones per each and every customer and by themselves as an industry). Which I see as stealing from me and other citizens to pay some Corporate goons and citizens who take advantage of their fellow man (you).
    Environmental impact MUST be a personal choice. If you care – YOU and YOU ALONE invest in that interest and I’ll praise you. As soon as you steal from me for the purpose you care about and profit from – you are morally criminal for me. Nothing else.
    Finally “Although I think the immediate threat from global warming is exaggerated, one can not deny that it has some effect.” – no, no effect. Pure, simple, proven and tested science. In last 250000 years (by widely studied and accepted ice core data) there were DOZENS of periods during which Earth experienced combined STEEP RISE in CO2 concentration and coincidental STEEP DECLINE in temperatures over thousands of years. Proving that in the Earth ecosystem CO2 has negligible impact on Earth temperature, if any (overwhelmed by orders of magnitude stronger impact from thew water vapor in the atmosphere). Add to that NASA/MIT study from 1990’s warming that proves beyond Court required reasonable doubt that current global warming CAN’t be caused by any greenhouse effect (not just not from CO2 but any greenhouse effect), because for a decade proportion of energy returned by Earth to space and incoming energy have RISEN year-by-year, excluding greenhouse effect of any kind – you have no scientific right to claim even “a small impact” or “long term impact”.

    • Marc Perkel says:

      I’d like to see the government end subsidies for coal and oil.

      • NewFormatSux says:

        These subsidies for coal and oil that get claimed. If you look at an actual list, almost all of it is standard tax credits available to all companies. Like the deduction for equipment, etc.

        • NewFormatSux says:

          The reason for the large number is because they are big companies.

    • normankeena says:

      Ever hear of the one about carbon dating bones from pompeii and comparing this to ice core samples and arriving at a date down to a tolerance of couple three weeks. And that other story about some core sample showing big change over short period. 10/12yrs.. that sample maybe from gazillion yrs ago and not so accurate but let us pretend.

      Next Wednesday magnetic pole shift and while remote control has locked everybody out of their vehicle, we ponder the idea of change.

  6. Marc Perkel says:

    Yeah – his name is on the blog.

    Does Peter Norton write Norton Utilities? Does John McAffee write anti-virus software? Does John Dvorak really exist or is he like God? Who can really say?

  7. Kahless says:

    We got solar from Verengo and turned it on about 3 months ago. We are loving it. The way our billing works we pay a flat rate every month (nice for budgeting purposes) and then get Edison credits for anything we produce over our usage. Right now we’re running about a $220 credit with Edison, and at the end of a year we’ll get a check from Edison for any credit we have. What’s nice is that in the middle of the day we can run the air conditioning and still be net producing. I’m interested to see how this plays out over the course of a year, but as I said the flat rate is nice for budgeting (no more extreme spikes), it’s cheaper than our average, and we should get a decent check from Edison every year.

    • normankeena says:

      damm you that sounds like a happy ending… I hate you may the flies in yer dunny rise-up, may a pox be upon your family house for ever and ever amen.

      as far as i know around here ye produce surplus to grid and they shoot it into the ground and tell ye to fuck off

  8. bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist striving to become a Nerd says:

    Douch anal in his normal excessive movement says:
    7/24/2014 at 10:23 am

    Now back to the topic on hand – this is great as long as Government is out of the loop, taking from me and giving to you/Solar City. /// No rational appreciation of what General Revenue means.

    I would be extremely happy if this program existed on its own merit without any Governmental interference. /// Me too. But how is Solar without subsidies to compete against coal and oil and hydro and Nuke that is Gubment Subsidized to the Max?

    Sadly, Solar City IS getting Federal Government subsidies (quite huge ones per each and every customer and by themselves as an industry). Which I see as stealing from me and other citizens to pay some Corporate goons and citizens who take advantage of their fellow man (you). /// Your general income tax is theft? Very liberTARDian of you. How often do you clean your basement abode?

    Environmental impact MUST be a personal choice. /// That would be true ONLY if when YOU farted, I couldn’t smell it. But you do, and so do I.

    If you care – YOU and YOU ALONE invest in that interest and I’ll praise you. As soon as you steal from me for the purpose you care about and profit from – you are morally criminal for me. Nothing else. /// Tax = theft. Good boy.

    Finally “Although I think the immediate threat from global warming is exaggerated, one can not deny that it has some effect.” – no, no effect. Pure, simple, proven and tested science. In last 250000 years (by widely studied and accepted ice core data) there were DOZENS of periods during which Earth experienced combined STEEP RISE in CO2 concentration and coincidental STEEP DECLINE in temperatures over thousands of years. /// Lie. Provide link showing same. co2 levels have not exceed 400ppm in 100K years

    Proving that in the Earth ecosystem CO2 has negligible impact on Earth temperature, if any (overwhelmed by orders of magnitude stronger impact from thew water vapor in the atmosphere). Add to that NASA/MIT study from 1990′s warming that proves beyond Court required reasonable doubt that current global warming CAN’t be caused by any greenhouse effect (not just not from CO2 but any greenhouse effect), because for a decade proportion of energy returned by Earth to space and incoming energy have RISEN year-by-year, excluding greenhouse effect of any kind – you have no scientific right to claim even “a small impact” or “long term impact”. /// Lie. Provide supporting link.

    You do show where Marc’s denial ultimately takes one.

    If you think Tax = Theft, then co2 is good for you is only another step away.

    • Marc Perkel says:

      Well, CO2 does trap heat energy so it is a FACT that there will be some increase in temperature. And total storm activity is something that increases with heat. And they are hard links together. Global warming will produce more and stronger storms. Lack of more and stronger storms is also a hard indicator of no global warming.

      • bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo says:

        We just had the worlds strongest known storm ever last year over the Phillipines. It was a Category 6 on a scale that stops at 5. Where ya been?

        But yeah there are many variables in a chaotic data field that is hard to measure all regarding a very slowly (for humans) changing cause and effect.

        Still….it perplexes me that you admit to enough factors that you should recognize your only quibble is about some very minor factor of timing. Off by a factor of 100% and its your great, great, grandkiddies that die off, instead of your grandkiddies. Its all exactly the same thing: what happens when you change the atmosphere to make it more heat retentive?

        Tick…tock.

        • Marc Perkel says:

          Think of it as a pot of boiling water. The more you turn up the burner the harder the pot boils. Or if you pot a lid on the pot it boils harder.

          • bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo says:

            Exactly…and we are the frog.

            Whats to worry?

            Does remind me though: the best fastest way to make soft or hard boiled eggs is to put in minimal water and cook the eggs with steam.

            More science I don’t understand: Boiling water and steam have almost the same temperature but steam has much more heat.

            Cool huh?

          • Tim says:

            it’s easier to get consistent cooking with steam because the energy transferred is exactly 540 calories per gram condensed whereas convective currents in water can get somewhat scientificy.

          • bobbo, a student of the dismal science who who does not understand Macro Economics once you get off an island with 12 coconuts, 3 canoes, and 6 paddles says:

            Nice link.

            AGW===simple and complicated at the same time. Fools and Scientists can each draw the conclusions they favor.

            Much of life is like that.

      • bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo says:

        The only rational position I can see you having is that AGW is so slow that we can “adapt” to it. Thats wrong. New York City cannot adapt to mean sea level being 6 feet higher. Cities don’t adapt.

        …..or that we can “reverse” the effects of AGW when its agreed it happening. There have already been several good tv shows/discovery channels series on this issue. I suppose, in extremity, this is possible….but only the presenting issue: that of hot temps/sea level rise because in order to reverse that we would need some magical fix (like Nuke Bombs set off at tectonic boundaries to cause a nuclear winter) BUT at the same time, we’d have to come off coal and oil as our main energy source otherwise we haven’t fixed anything…..so “basically” this won’t work either.

        Ergo==we are in fact DEAD right now. It will just take 100 years for the corpus to fall over.

        • Marc Pugner says:

          “The only rational position I can see you having is that AGW is so slow that we can “adapt” to it. Thats wrong. New York City cannot adapt to mean sea level being 6 feet higher. Cities don’t adapt.”

          ok, i’m calling bullshit on this little diversion straight away having heard that scare prediction for 30+ years now…why is it the models never match the “data” if “the science is in”?

          • bobbo, the AGW hair on fire single issue advocat who long ago would have doused himself in plant based ethanol and lit himself aflame to bring light and heat to this subject if it were not for my love of beer says:

            I call BS on your BS.

            for the First 30 years, the complaint was that AGW made no predicitions. Now, without givin any example at all, you claim all the predictions were wrong.

            what kind of prediction are you looking for when the predictions are about what is going to happen very slowly over the next 200 years?….. Whether or not its going to rain on your house next Thursday?

            Is that it Bunky? NAME the prediction, with details as in “exactly what was said” link if you can==and stop the BS.

            The prediction was made the temps would go up……and they are.

            The prediction was made the sea level would rise….. and it is.

            The prediction was made that idiots and paid shills would come out and make idiot analyes and down right lies…..and here you are.

            BWHAHAHAHAHAHA.

            Silly Hoomans.

          • Marc Pugner says:

            http://worldunderwater.org/#/locations

            let me know when it sinks in.

          • bobbo, the AGW hair on fire single issue advocat who long ago would have doused himself in plant based ethanol and lit himself aflame to bring light and heat to this subject if it were not for my love of beer says:

            Well Marc…… you make no sense at all.

            Flip flopping from con to pro AGW with now explanation at all.

            Your mind is mush.

            Prove me wrong: say anything coherent.

            Go===========>

          • pedro says:

            Marc: BS is bobbo’s middle name

          • Marc Pugner says:

            figures a dunce like bobbo would see a site that shows Denver half-submerged and think it is “pro-AGW” instead of a “shameless hoax”.

          • NewFormatSux says:

            Just noticed that this isn’t from Perkel.

            There’s also the failure of models, which are only the primary source for the argument that there will be lots of warming from CO2.

            http://drroyspencer.com/2013/06/still-epic-fail-73-climate-models-vs-measurements-running-5-year-means/

            http://drroyspencer.com/2014/02/95-of-climate-models-agree-the-observations-must-be-wrong/

            And the IPCC covers it up as some of the models are within range, therefore they haven’t failed, and we can keep using the average of all of them as a reasonable forecast.

            If you did a drug study and all but two patients died, climate scientists would declare the drug safe and bobbo would take it.

          • bobbo, a student of the dismal science who who does not understand Macro Economics once you get off an island with 12 coconuts, 3 canoes, and 6 paddles says:

            Marc—if that was your message, learn from how unrecognizable it was.

            I used NYC so I looked for that picture, and it showed underwater. I did assume that was ocean rise.

            Its FEEBLEMINDED AND LAZY to point google at a subject and think you’ve done anything except hope other people will do your thinking for you…. so unaccustomed to it you are.

            As for Denver, I thought that was flooding from rain. The high country above Denver had record rains about 4 months ago, don’t think it got that bad in Denver.

            At least you did have a point, not well executed.

            All goes to show:

            Be Direct. Be Honest. Do Better.

          • Marc Pugner says:

            “As for Denver, I thought that was flooding from rain. The high country above Denver had record rains about 4 months ago, don’t think it got that bad in Denver.”

            riiiiiiight bobbo, flooding from rains in Denver was up to the second-story windows like the site would have you believe.

            http://i.imgur.com/f8UI9vr.jpg

        • McCullough says:

          I’m still waiting for California to fall into the sea. It’s the only way we’ll be rid of bobbo.

  9. Tim says:

    Won’t the predestined squirrel just chew the wires?

  10. sargasso_c says:

    A very good idea!

  11. moss says:

    Same as one of the two comparable solar systems we’re considering for our home. We have a couple of items making installation slightly more complex.

    One of the reasons for holding off is that Solar City isn’t here in our state, yet – for residential installations. Though they are doing a couple of really big commercial and military installations.

    I’m hoping their economies of scale will offer a better quote than existing competition.

  12. deowll says:

    This only works because the purchase cost of the solar cells is subsidized. Factor in the real cost and no deal. The next problem is that you need a massive back up system for night and cloudy/stormy weather. By the time you factor that in the real “savings” turns out to be an illusion but as long as the marks paying the bills don’t catch on that they are being scammed and taken to the cleaners… there’s money to be made!

  13. Tom T says:

    I believe that JCD died years ago and is but a clever computer simulation these days…

  14. NewFormatSux says:

    Having never hard of SolarCity, I thought you had bought a kit from a toy company that came with planets a sun and some moons.

    • Uncle Milton says:

      i sprinkled my solar system with gunpowder from shotgun shells and shined a heatlamp on it… supernovae smell like burnt plastic. Who knew?

      http://fatbraintoys.com/toy_companies/uncle_milton/solar_system_in_my_room.cfm

      • Gwinnett School of Mathematics, Science and Technology says:

        change the model to a gamma ray burst and i’ll give you a D. You’ll still have to sell cookie pledges to pay for the wing you burned down, though…

    • mrvco says:

      You’ll find their sales weasels working a folding table at your local Home Depot on the weekends, emanating a distinct “too good to be true” vibe.

      While the cost savings may be negligible, I do like the idea of having power (at least during daylight hours) if the commercial power is out.

      Nonetheless, it’s a far better deal financially to get one of the subsidized Federal loans and work directly with a solar contractor. It is more effort, but in addition to it being a far better deal financially, you don’t give up control.

      • Tim says:

        what you gotta do is get those girls up against the cardboard, backlit display… they push back better…

  15. McCullough says:

    A banker friend of mine brought up an interesting point.

    Apparently there have been issues when someone has this system in place and goes to sell their home. The solar is considered “personal property” and can’t be included in the sale.

    Also, many buyers are refusing to take over the lease, meaning the current lessee has to pay off the balance due.

    But for me it would be a huge selling point.

    • Tim says:

      Total splunge. Except that your insight is analogous to exactly what Monsanto does when it does not allow homeowners{farmers} to sell their land to anyone that does not follow through with the previous owners’ contract — to protect humans from splunge and superweeds, I guess…

    • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist and junior culture critic says:

      That is a “nice wrinkle” there McCullough…not to be dismissed as splunge.

      In my view—solar systems ARE personal property. My proof: try to pick up a solar system and run it through your fingers like sand. Cant do it like you can with real property.

      The common law is tricky: personal property becomes part of the real property when it becomes affixed in a manner that indicates it is meant to be permanently part of it.

      I first really tumbled on this when looking at rental units in Germany. All the light fixtures, heating units, stoves, refrigerators etc where gone. Even the switch plates in the wall were gone. In Germany==those were all personal property.

      Today in America when buying a home you need to assure that all such items are specifically included: if you like making assumptions maybe not the pool in the ground but certainly the hot tub. No one would disagree about the refrigerator…. right? The slide in oven===shows the break line of what is “customary” in a certain locale.

      Solar panels is TOTALLY DIFFERENT. As it is being separately financed from the house==OF COURSE it does not permanently attach to and become part of the real estate. It remains personal (non-real) property.

      How could anyone assume otherwise?

    • mrvco says:

      The solar system is leased property that is under contract with SolarCity for the duration (20 years?) of the term.

      Short of the home owner paying for the hardware upfront (which would change SC’s business model completely), there isn’t a way to include it with the house. The lease has to be assumed (or bought out) by the new owner or the original lessee has to fulfill the termination clause in the contract.

      • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist and junior culture critic says:

        Or the “law” could say its part of the real estate and passes with the house with appropriate supporting legislation to protect the solar panel guys.

        Do you think anything man made is written in stone?

    • Marc Perkel says:

      Actually Solar City owns the collectors and has a long term lease so it’s not personal property.

      • bobbo, the Climate Change ALARMIST who doesn't want his kiddies boiled to death as the Oilgarchs are currently Hell Bent on doing, and the Science Denying Far Right are ignorantly supporting says:

        Nope.

        Its THEIR personal property.

        Once again the reason you state for disagreeing is EXACTLY the reason you are wrong.

        Funny how consistent you are on that.

        …………….this might be wrong……….but nothing “legally” prevents Soloar City from owning the collectors and it being part of “your” real property. You are already doing pretty much that with your Bank.

        Its just words.

  16. Angus says:

    There is a very long, very recent article about SolarCity and its participation in “crony capitalism” in a very big way here:

    Saturday, July 12, 2014
    SolarCity: Subsidizing the Left’s ‘green’ millionaires and billionaires
    http://greencorruption.blogspot.com/2014/07/solarcity-subsidizing-lefts-green_12.html

    • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist and junior culture critic says:

      Angus–nice read, thanks for the link.

      I stopped after the second paragraph. so much BS…. don’t you agree?

      OR COURSE the dumbos engage in crony capitalism that benefits the RICH.

      ………………but put the Koolaid down, remove the tin foil hat and LOOK: the Dumbo help the rich green corruption program ALSO HELPS YOU ME and Marc Perkel.

      so…. in one all too confusing reality for the conservative sheep: Solar City is a gubment program that helps the middle class. The similar program would be the one that pays for R $Money’s home car elevator by allowing depreciation over 3 years. See how that helps the already CRIMINAL RICH rather than you and me?

      PUKES===help only the already too RICH who should be in Jail for the CRIMINALS they are, while

      DUMBOS===help the rich who provide some crumbs for the rest of us.

      You don’t have to be overly bright to see the difference.

      Just look.

    • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist and junior culture critic says:

      HEY NFS—why shouldn’t Tesla get CARB credits?

      • NewFormatSux says:

        Follow the links.

        • bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist and junior culture critic says:

          SFN==how high can you stack BS?

          NO. Invitations for a snipe hunt are declined.

          No ideas for that dog whistle to collide with inside that vacant brain of yours. A Reptilian response to point the Google, no idea what it means beyond the whistle.

          Just think.

        • NewFormatSux says:

          Really not that hard for people with reading comprehension. You realize it is a followup post, so then you click on the link that takes you to an earlier post. Am wondering how you managed to produce any book reports. Perhaps that’s why they kept having you try to do them. Like John Kerry’s mom on her deathbed,”Remember, integrity, integrity, integrity.” Kerry thought that was demonstrating how honest he was.

          • bobbo, the Climate Change ALARMIST who doesn't want his kiddies boiled to death as the Oilgarchs are currently Hell Bent on doing, and the Science Denying Far Right are ignorantly supporting says:

            Oh FFSN==the issue isn’t one of comprehension… If you had some, you’d agree.

            Given that you have carefully read the link and all the supporting links and considered the issue before posting:

            Why shouldn’t Tesla get the CARB credits?

          • NewFormatSux says:

            Because it’s fraud. They faked a battery swap.

          • bobbo, the Climate Change ALARMIST who doesn't want his kiddies boiled to death as the Oilgarchs are currently Hell Bent on doing, and the Science Denying Far Right are ignorantly supporting says:

            Hard to believe. The first link you gave looked like they were “banking” excessive credits they didn’t need. Same issue or a different one?

            You see SNiF==when you post directly, honestly, and smartly you can be on point and relevant.

            Why hide your excellence?

          • NewFormatSux says:

            It’s all there if you read the post as any normal person would.

  17. bobbo, the pragmatic existential evangelical anti-theist and junior culture critic says:

    McCullough says:
    7/26/2014 at 12:18 pm

    I’m still waiting for California to fall into the sea. It’s the only way we’ll be rid of bobbo. /// I’m in Sacto==East of the San Andres. 150 feet elevation. I think I’m good until the year 2300.

    McCullough==I’ll follow every “rule” I know of. Even those that aren’t equally enforced …. because I know how hard your job is…. interating with the Public and all ….. being immersed in all this free speech and having people disagree with your fundamental beliefs and such is very trying.

    Years ago you deleted a comment of mine that personally attacked you. I was tangeting off a point of humor, but indeed, it was near impossible to see and you were quite right.

    …………….so now, I respect your sensitivities and don’t even comment on the sea level around your garden isle. I do assume the ocean floor is rising at your location. How could it be otherwise?

    If you think I am commenting too much…… say so. What rule must I follow?

    ………..Ha, ha. I wasn’t going to comment to the girls, why am I taking after you?

    …………………………………because I am a sheep/herd animal and as such I want my Shepard to be someone I look up to. You know…. equal handed and fair. Cant be fair without rules that are announced and equally applied.

    Try it.

  18. bobbo, the Climate Change ALARMIST who doesn't want his kiddies boiled to death as the Oilgarchs are currently Hell Bent on doing, and the Science Denying Far Right are ignorantly supporting says:

    Marc Pugner says:
    7/26/2014 at 9:06 am

    “As for Denver, I thought that was flooding from rain. The high country above Denver had record rains about 4 months ago, don’t think it got that bad in Denver.”

    riiiiiiight bobbo, flooding from rains in Denver was up to the second-story windows like the site would have you believe.

    http://i.imgur.com/f8UI9vr.jpg //// My first response to this got lost in cyberspace…. probably still sitting in my browsers history, but I’ll post here again for clarity.

    Marc–I believe that is exactly what you meant by linking to a group of pictures. But….. my comment still controls: why should I put more work into figuring out what you mean than you do in explaining yourself? You showed multiple pictures. I looked at NEW YORK which was underwater. I only glanced at Denver. How much time should anyone spend wondering what you mean by posting pictures without comment?

    I say none. I told you I disagreed and why and how to make it better.

    I am such a better person than you….. and you suck.

    Be direct. Be honest. Do Better.
    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    Speaking of failures, FSN follows Pugnacious and links:
    7/26/2014 at 3:38 pm

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/07/24/climate-models-not-only-significantly-over-predict-observed-warming-in-the-tropical-troposphere-but-they-represent-it-in-a-fundamentally-different-way-than-is-observed/

    From the link:

    “Conclusion –

    Over the 55-years from 1958 to 2012, climate models not only significantly over-predict observed warming in the tropical troposphere, but they represent it in a fundamentally different way than is observed. ” ///// So what?

  19. bobbo, the Climate Change ALARMIST who doesn't want his kiddies boiled to death as the Oilgarchs are currently Hell Bent on doing, and the Science Denying Far Right are ignorantly supporting says:

    The “Break Even” quote Perkel has makes sense to me.

    I am somewhat skeptical of this Junk Email that claims an 80% reduction. Marc===did you look into such programs?

    http://homesolarinstallation.net/?SRC=Aff272&Pub_ID=1102726380&Sub_ID=800724

  20. NotSA says:

    “10
    Section 7
    Path Finding Algorithm
    Ripple’s Path Finding Algorithm looks for the cheapest path for payments to move across the network.
    In this context, “cheapest” means the path that incurs the least bid/ask cost for the sender of a pay

    ment.” https://ripple.com/ripple-mm.pdf

    Cheap path for energy is going to route around Russia and with sanctions their costs are going to increase. http://forbes.com/sites/louiswoodhill/2014/03/03/its-time-to-drive-russia-bankrupt-again/2/

    Route around Ukraine with commercial flights.

    • bobbo, a student of the dismal science who who does not understand Macro Economics once you get off an island with 12 coconuts, 3 canoes, and 6 paddles says:

      It is fun to think about…. in this interconnected world….. if the dollar somehow stabilized, the biggest beneficiary could well be China.

      Ain’t that the shits?

  21. drake says:

    I want what this guy’s smokin’

  22. Quinn says:

    When the Holocene ends in a few more centuries, we’ll be scrambling for ways to add as much GHG to the atmosphere as we can (as well as many other mitigation measures, such as broadcasting carbon black on the advancing glaciers).

    • NewFormatSux says:

      This was actually pushed by Obama’s science advisor back in the 70s. They advised to melt the Arctic with black soot to stave off an Ice Age. Mission Accomplished!

  23. NotSA says:

    “I have no doubt that we will be successful in harnessing the sun’s energy. If sunbeams were weapons of war, we would have had solar energy centuries ago.”
    ―George Porter
    Read more at http://izquotes.com/author/george-porter

    • Is something burning? says:

      Ironically, when solar weapons arrive, it will be China who’s protected.

  24. NewFormatSux says:

    Even if every house installed solar, it would cover just a small percentage of the needed amount.

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/07/31/capture-the-sun-power-america-with-solar-is-there-a-business-case/

  25. therkyn says:

    What is the carbon footprint of your solar panels? How much energy and green house gasses are used in the creation (and shipment from China) of your “zero” carbon solar panels. See recent news articles about the greenhouse gas releases in Chinese factories creating these panels. Zero Carbon panels are about as sensible as “PZEV” on the back of all non-hybrid gasoline Subaru’s… when exactly are they zero emissions? When not running.

    Ignoring the carbon issue, I would agree solar has a place as part of the system.

    • NewFormatSux says:

      Even if there is no carbon footprint, you are still increasing emissions. When the wind is not blowing or the sun is not shining you have to ramp up a generator to replace that lost power. Those power plants are operating at less efficiency than one operating continuously. This differential is more than the savings in terms of CO2 from the renewable energy.

      • Tim says:

        You are such a buzzkill. I’m going to invent something that saves mankind as it chops up your birds 24/7.

        shalom.

        • NewFormatSux says:

          Quail can be quite tasty.

          • Dick Cheney says:

            ^^ i’d shoot him right in the face. Ohh, shut up, Dan; Go help george with his son’s retarded bath-selfie…

  26. Bill Burke says:

    Just wait until you try to sell your house before the lease is up. The solar leasing company has a lien on your house and will need to approve of any prospective buyer and their credit rating before they can take up your solar lease. That is, unless you can buy the system ourright before you sell the house.

    • Tim says:

      don’t worry, by that time we’ll have the technology {not really because AGW} to allow Marc to orbit his SolarSystem around the sun where its just bright enough to make it pay off…

      i guess the whole property issue is ok solong as a cord or beamed microwave, neutrino, exotic bits of goodstuff equivalent keeps it tied to the house…

    • Marc Perkel says:

      If you can buy a house in California you won’t have any problem paying for the solar electricity.

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