I couldn’t have made the point better myself. And I hate it when I have to agree with Trump. Listen to Adam Shiff (D) California invoke Reagan in his defense.

This whole Russian Hacking thing is totally fake. I think those who are making up this story should be prosecuted. This looks to me like a prelude narrative to a coup.

  • I have a real problem that they are making the assertions so strongly when no intelligence agency has inspected the DNC servers themselves.
  • You have to believe it because it’s not patriotic to doubt the hard working intelligence community and it undermines their moral if you doubt them.
  • The idea that Putin is personally responsible is not only unknown but probably unknowable.
  • On this flimsy evidence – Obama expelled the Russian ambassadors.
  • Complete lack of specifics as to how we know it’s the Russians.
  • Clapper – who admitted he lied to Congress – says Russians behind fake news. Which we know isn’t true.
  • FBI Director James Comey personally determined the outcome of the election in favor of Trump with his announcement of reopening the email investigation 11 days before the election. I suppose Comey is a Russian spy.
  • Unnamed sources claim they know what Russians gave Assange the leak – but the unnamed sources aren’t naming names.
  • The 13 page report that Obama acted on starts with “DISCLAIMER: This report is provided “as is” for informational purposes only. The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) does not provide any warranties of any kind regarding any information contained within.”
  • Most of the 13 page report is filler about ways to keep your computer safe and has nothing to do with Russians. (Maybe p@ssw0rd isn’t a good password?)
  • If Russian influenced the election – name things they did specifically. If they created fake news then what news and what web site did it come from? Did they hack voting machines? What did they actually do to get Trump elected?
  • They say they know what Russians fed Wikileaks – ok – name them.

Other issues. Did Russia celebrate Trump over Clinton? Probably. Clinton was incompetent as SOS and got us into a war in Syria, (yes – we started a war in Syria) and Russia has to help clean up Hillary’s and Obama’s mess.

Everything Assange released was true information. Do the voters have a right to know that the DNC rigged the primary for Clinton? And if the Russian provided that true information I thank the Russians for doing so.

Hackers don’t have to be “fair and balanced”, as if they had hacked the RNC too that would be OK.

Taking into considering that Obama hacked the entire world how do we have any moral high ground here. With America’s long history of “regime change” and puppet dictators, how dare they do it to us.

The claim that we had electronic intercepts that listened to Russian celebrating Trumps victory is an admission that we hacked the Russians.

My question is – what are they really saying here? Are they advocating we throw out the results of the election and install Hillary or Pence as president? What’s the bottom line? What is this leading to?

I can’t wait to get Obama out. Out of the pot and into the fire! Let the Trump Apocalypse begin. It’s the end of the world as we know it.

  1. Hmeyers says:

    “We’ve always been at war with Eastasia.”

    • MikeN says:

      This has been misunderstood. The point is not that the State rewrites History, but that the State forces you to accept and recite the new History as fact even though you know otherwise. So this would apply to stories about Hillary has committed no crimes.

      • Hmeyers says:

        That is interesting insight into 1984, gives me something to ponder.

        I was referring to the circular logic.

        “The Russians hacked the election.”
        “What is your proof?”
        “All the heads of agencies have reached this conclusion.”

        It is similar to the global warming argument in that the answer to the question is a non-answer.

        • bobbo, we think with words and flower with ideas says:

          You haven’t demonstrated circular logic. Perhaps Argument from Authority…. or being more peevish…Argument from Nonsequiter.

          You really don’t understand AGW do you HM. Its SCIENCE. Cause and effect. The opposite of circular.

          I still give you credit for probably knowing all this at some level….. it just feels good to talk so ignorantly from time to time. Manly.

        • Hmeyers says:

          Bobbo, you are missing my point.

          If I were a climate scientist and I had what I considered a way to prove AGW …

          I’d simply explain it.

          This is how evolution was explained. This is how the discovery of oxygen was demonstrated.

          I wouldn’t resort to smoke and mirrors.

          Science is done by presenting the case, not by hiding from presenting the case.

          Anyway, I am always perplexed by weak argument methods put forth to explain AGW.

          If it is so obvious, just do what the other sciences do and present the case — and if some of the rubes don’t understand it, then so be it.

          Good science is able to handle scrutiny.

          If AGW is what is going on, just present the case and address critics through explanation as well.

          • bobbo, we think with words and flower with ideas says:

            got some bad news for you HM> Thats EXACTLY what HAS HAPPENED. Which is why your position is called: Science Denial.

            We can only dither and resort to 8th grade basic science, or the current political BS, to go into any further detail.

            The most basic point of contention may simply be that formal experimental proof of the type you demand is not possible….. for the same “ballpark” of reasons we can’t prove that smoking tobacco causes cancer.

            The case is presented: sea level constantly going up, Ice coverage/glaciers, maximum temps all going up.

            Pretty basic stuff.

            [This topic is NOT about AGW -ED.]

          • bobbo, we think with words and flower with ideas says:

            Just note: bobbo did not bring it up. I only responded.

            Why censor an insightful comparison of Science Denial that is heavy in the Right Wing with their equally unbalanced Political, Historical, Sociological, and Psychological denials?

            If the loons could understand their deficiencies in any one area, they might make progress in any of the others.

            Silly Hoomans.

          • ± says:

            [to bobbo (must make this clarification because this site is truly stuck in the ‘flat blog’ error [sic])]

            The correct gleaning here is that “wingnut” is now in transition to be replaced by “loons”.

          • bobbo, we think with words and flower with ideas says:

            Oh P/M: a labeling changeup may occur just for the sake of variety without intent to change direction. Although, reflecting on it a bit…..I tend to think of Wingnut as a Right Wing phenomenon and Loon as their Left Wing counterpart. More Earth Friendly and singing Koombayah around a campfire, so different in interests and character, but occupying the correlative space on the party continuum.

      • bobbo, we think with words and flower with ideas says:

        Nobody is “forced.” Its why Hillary lost the election.

        Just look.

        • Hmeyers says:

          Hillary did such a grand job of losing the election that there are “no reasons why she lost”.

          It is just easier to list the things she did right on a piece of paper.

          And you don’t even need a pencil to do it.

          • bobbo, we think with words and flower with ideas says:

            I think I saw a website listing all the Things Trump was expert in….. but the page never “opened.” applies to Hillary as well.

            to be “fair” Hillaries BS won the popular vote and I don’t believe the outcome would have been much different had that been the rules. ie: Trump would have lost the Big Votes of the Coasts.

            Add into that the election fraud machine of the Pukes (in high gear getting probable Dumbos off the voting roles and shutting down polling stations in high Dem areas and so forth)… and what we have is simply another example of a stolen election.

            I don’t think Trump is going to be a change agent to the benefit of you and me. Hillary is a liar and thief ….. but on balance would have been better for you and me.

            Any other analysis is just: bumper sticker mentality.

          • Hmeyers says:

            I find Trump interesting.

            Here is a guy with a billion dollars, can do whatever he wants — didn’t need to run for president.

            On Inauguration Day, he is actually going to go to the office and start getting to work repealing some Obama executive orders, etc.

            A normal politician wouldn’t do that.

            So Trump is fascinating in that he wants and needs the approval of the audience.

            Most politicians once elected sit on their duff.

            I remember it took Obama 4 months before he got the ball rolling, and I was pissed because I was like “Why doesn’t he lead by example and issue an executive order banning government purchase of cars with shitty gas mileage?”

          • MikeN says:

            Because he wanted one?

          • bobbo, we think with words and flower with ideas says:

            HM: interesting. Yes.

            Such a nothing word.

            I will bet you a beer Trump does nothing on Obama Care except sign whatever bill Congress brings him.

            Totally the consequence of having no governing principles at all.

            Just wait………… then Look.

          • Hmeyers says:


            That’s an interesting question you’ve raised.

            Is Trump just going to sign things or get involved in the legislation?

            I know you are saying he’ll just sign things.

            I’m not so sure.

          • bobbo, we think with words and flower with ideas says:

            HM: my “guess” ((initial impression)) has formed ONLY on the Obamacare Issue. I also think Trump will personally engage on other issues, those in which he has a conflict of interest, and it will lead to his impeachment or a permanent oversight committee. Not really because Trump wants to lie, cheat, and steal like the clintons….but rather (although with the same pecuniary and criminal result) because that is all he knows how to “be.”

            Trump has not YET realized that by winning the election, he CHANGED HIS LIFE. The momentum of his life long success in huckterism has not yet been altered. I think coming to grips with changing Obamacare will break new ground for him. Its where his conflict of interests lies where his defense mechanism will be stronger and the need to change less recognized…. if at all.

            Ha, ha: Can you teach an old dog new tricks????? Like everything…. the answer is some dogs, and some tricks.

            ……….and Trump is a dog, and recognizing the opportunities and challenges of being President is a trick.

            Yea, Verily!

          • jpfitz says:

            “it’s where his conflict of interests lies where his defense mechanism will be stronger and the need to change less recognized…. if at all.”

            bobbo, your above comment about DT not getting involved with the ACA is on the money. Electibility is the best reason to let congress write the bill. If the public gets a bad deal DT can pass the buck and run for re-election. Making more promises about how DT will MAGA in the next term.

  2. ECA says:

    Its funny that ALL these groups keep POINTING fingers..
    Hacking this, hacking that…
    Any good hacker(from the old days) could hide their tracks pretty well..
    Yes there are ways to TRACK them, but the requirements are not setup. AND servers would need a BETTER security system to do it..
    and as its been shown many times, even the HIGH end corps have been DUMB on keeping things secure.

    A few changes to Signing into a Server, would solve all this. Require a BOT to be sent to the Client, and PING BACK to the server, and Ping a secondary location. That and a few other things could be done easily.

    • IM78 says:

      Too bad the Federal IT folks don’t read the JD blog, huh. They might learn something useful and that would be totally out of character for them.

  3. MikeN says:

    Clapper was asked during a 2013 hearing by Sen. Ron Wyden: “Does the NSA collect any type of data at all on millions, or hundreds of millions of Americans?”

    “No, sir,”

    • bobbo, we think with words and flower with ideas says:

      clapper should have been put in jail. Not a long time…. just a demonstration that the system is not fixed from top to bottom. But he wasn’t…. and it is.

      • IM78 says:

        Geez. Finally something I can agree with you on.

      • Mr Diesel - Les Deplorable says:

        I agree with bobbo. After watching Clapper for 15 seconds at the hearing I wouldn’t trust him in shithouse with a muzzle on.

      • Hmeyers says:

        I think Bobbo is saying Clapper should be in jail because he lied about NSA spying in front of Congress.

        • bobbo, we think with words and flower with ideas says:

          I think we’re all in agreement.

          WHY wasn’t Clapper……… atleast criticized?

          ………………………………………….. even NOW!

          • IM78 says:

            Personally, I criticize every word that comes out of the man’s mouth (i.e., I don’t trust him even as far as I can throw him).
            BTW: Who is ED?

        • NewFormatSux says:

          Clapper wasn’t in jail, because he was not allowed to talk about the issue in open session, and Ron Wyden knew it.

          • bobbo, we think with words and flower with ideas says:

            Not allowed by what “rule” when being asked by Congress?

            Lots of people correctly refuse to answer.

            Note the difference.

            The fact that Clapper is in government at all or on TV is a denouceable corruption revealed of our gubment……..AND….. our Media.

            Gives the answer to: “….. ♫….Whats going on?……”

          • NewFormatSux says:

            Refuse to answer is saying the answer is yes, and would reveal classified information.

          • bobbo, we think with words and flower with ideas says:


  4. MikeN says:

    Democrats in intelligence agencies prepared a report to serve the Democrat narrative, and sent it to the Democrat White House. The Democrat White House then leaked the report to Democrats in the media, who replay Democrat talking points to people who will never see the report.

    That Russians celebrated Trump’s victory is not surprising. They celebrated Obama’s as well. There were lots of Democrats celebrating Trump’s winning the Republican nomination. It didn’t work out so well for them.

  5. bobbo, we think with words and flower with ideas says:

    My question is – what are they really saying here?

    Ahem: they aren’t “saying” anything but merely providing infotainment…… talking past each other toeing the line for different political ends.

    I always enjoy mindless criticism. NO REVIEW is worth a serious consideration until it provides suggested alternatives/responses. “Let the apocalypse begin” // “Its the end of the world” ==== very much on par drivel with what is being complained about.

    Try some real analysis/solutions. Its not that “hard”…… just ….. different.

  6. bobbo, we think with words and flower with ideas says:

    “Tucker Carlson destroys Congressman in Russian Hacking”

    //////Got a time stamp and quote on the video where THAT happened? —- ONLY if you think it is a “good” thing that foreign gubments are hacking our computer systems.

    I have to assume, being good Americans all, you are simply confused by Carlson “style” rather than his substance?

    Silly Hoomans.

    • IM78 says:

      It figures you wouldn’t care for Carlson’s substance, or even that you could see it for that matter.

      • bobbo, we think with words and flower with ideas says:

        IM: words have meaning….. unlike your rubber stamp nonsense. I identified the substance and disagree with it JUST LIKE EVERY GOOD AMERICAN SHOULD. While there are all kinds of other interactive issues, NO COUNTRY should approve of outside interference. Its not how countries act in their own interest.

        I believe it was on this forum some months ago I offered the real criticism revealed was that the Russians did what our own free Press should have done…….. or in the best of cases, our own security services.

        Stop being an empty headed partisan want to be. You don’t have to disagree with everything i say just because you disagree with most of it.

        Be a thinking person.

        • IM78 says:

          I agree. IF we know the interference indeed came from the outside (as opposed to coming from some dipstick(s) here in the US), AND IF we know without a doubt (as opposed to believing the nimrods speaking for the security services) that said interference did indeed come from within the Russian Federation, then I would (for a change) agree with you.

          I DON’T disagree with everything you say. Just because I don’t comment on them doesn’t mean I agree with most everything you have to say. On the contrary. I see through most of the pointless and unintelligent things you say on this blog, yet I don’t bother to comment on them.

          I an NOT a partisan, let alone an empty-headed one. I find it hard to make the same declaration about you, Bobbo. You may not realize it, but from out here it becomes quite obvious that you are lopsided in your thinking in a ratio of about 90 to 10. Not that you care.

          Oh well. Why do I bother?

          • bobbo, we think with words and flower with ideas says:

            So its lack of “certainty” that causes you disbelieve the credible?

            Very religious orientation you display. How long were you an alter boy?

  7. bobbo, we think with words and flower with ideas says:

    Four takeaways from the Russia hacking report. Good short review.


    Of note, Woolsey resigns from the Trump Team. The Rightwingnut faction of the Party is freezing out the moderate and competent voices. Doesn’t look very good.


    So much to look forward to.

    • NewFormatSux says:

      Alternate, the neo-con bombers are resigning from the Trump team. He might actually get Colin Powell back on board.

  8. jpfitz says:

    So much to look forward to, you aren’t gonna like what we see come the future.

    DT will have the power to move the world’s market with a feckin Tweet. Seems very 1984. AND GD INSANE!

    The Russians are coming the Russians are coming. Here we go again. Blaming a world competitor of natural gas supplying Europe of screwing with the election without proof is par for the course. Hillary really wanted that gas deal through Syria up to Europe.

    What’s the truth, where to find real news not propagandized for the masses, even the DOW hitting 20,000 feels like a manipulation.

    • bobbo, we think with words and flower with ideas says:

      jp: I’ve always found “sufficient proof” in taking reasonable reports at face value ALWAYS open to a rethink with reasonable rebuttable.

      Do you find anything in the links above to be facially ridiculous or untrustworthy?

      This truth is known. You just have to be: reasonable. Something that Science Deniers and wingnuts are not.

      Try it.

      • IM78 says:

        There you go kidding again. So few here see your particular brand of humor, Bobbo.

      • jpfitz says:

        Bobbo I don’t know what or who to take seriously anymore. Maybe that is what the whole fake news and Russian thing is about, propaganda to confuse?

        The American propaganda machine has fooled all of us in the past. I don’t have confidence in Putin, why so many Americans do today is alarming.

        • bobbo, we think with words and flower with ideas says:

          Pure guess on my part jp, but I assume you have conflated “propaganda” with “election interference” with “fake news” with “falsified data.”

          I actually do think with Venn Diagrams—not “either/or” but similarities and differences or overlap. such thinking will make you despised by all sycophants and shills.

          Its not “who” to take seriously: as that is “no one.” Its WHAT to take seriously: as stated: that which looks reasonable on its face and not controverted otherwise….. always with a degree of uncertainty for the ambiguities always present ALLOWING FOR a change to your opinion on additional information.

          Its ……………… fun.

          • jpfitz says:

            Good wording and uplifting, I take myself too seriously.

            Yeah, “it”, used to be fun to consider the good the bad and what’s the ugliest, now, I am aghast, and very concerned. People who believe that DT’S behavior as prez elect is the best way to run our country are diluted. Twitter, yeah, funny and stupid plus not to secure.

        • bobbo, we think with words and flower with ideas says:

          Well thanks jp. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy. (Seriously.) I am refreshed another year against Pedro and his ilk.

        • ± says:

          **** issued forth bobbo (obsequiously?) ***********
          Well thanks jp. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy. (Seriously.) I am refreshed another year against Pedro and his ilk.

          jpfitz, WTF did you go and do that for? Why don’t you pat his tummy too while your at it? :mrgreen:

  9. NewFormatSux says:

    This latest report is even weaker on evidence of Russian hacking than the previous one. They do go thru a list of Russian propaganda methods, to try and argue that they wanted Trump to win, but nothing about the hacking. There is more evidence that Russians were trying to hijack elections by propagandizing liberals. They pushed Occupy Wall Street. They pushed stories about how the election machines are rigged, not sure if they were targeting liberals or conservatives with that.

  10. Hmeyers says:

    I halfway wonder if this isn’t Obama doing Trump some sort of favor.

    It is the blandest, most irrelevant and trivial topic imaginable.

    Which is actually a nice change for the holidays.

  11. Mr Diesel says:

    I sure as hell wouldn’t want to go up against Tucker in a debate.

    I’m glad he moved quickly through the ranks at FoxNews and I’m even happier Megyn is going to NBC. Like they need help sinking quicker.

    • bobbo, we think with words and flower with ideas says:

      Are you conflating “debate” with appearing as a guest on his show? The two having nothing to do with each other?

      Its the format that controls. Jon Stewart didn’t have too much trouble even in that format. Ha, ha===>a little sunlight and Crossfire got canceled. Then as always….. it came back…… as raging stupidity and class warfare always does.

      Mind the gap.

  12. Guyver says:

    It’s easier to blame than to say the American people reject the President’s policies.

    It’s easier to blame than to say having an unauthorized private e-mail server to house highly classified information compromises national security.

    Liberals / Progressives simply blame. They don’t take responsibility.

    But they do try to take credit for things they have no intellectual honesty in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1PeAZKefkI

    • bobbo, we think with words and flower with ideas says:

      Its easier to make connected partisan attacks than credible analysis.

      • Guyver says:

        So you say.

        • bobbo, we think with words and flower with ideas says:

          Do you actually think Pukes act any different?

          • Guyver says:

            You’re committing a red herring.

            I don’t subscribe to political parties as they are nothing more than team names and say nothing of their world view such as liberal or progressive.

          • bobbo, we think with words and flower with ideas says:

            Where is the red herring?

            You commented in partisan fashion. If that is not your intent, you need to better state your positions.

            Meaning………..your credibility diminishes drip by drip.

            Silly Hooman.

          • Guyver says:

            I wasn’t talking about political parties.

            Diminishing credibility indeed. 😀

          • Guyver says:

            So I’ve been lurking these past few years years as Dvorak Uncensored has seriously atrophied with far fewer posts than it normally used to and because of occupational considerations.

            Although I do not support Trump, here’s to Trump making Dvorak Uncensored great again in the coming years with more material for Bobbo to whine about!


          • bobbo, we think with words and flower with ideas says:

            Liberal and Progessive describes the Dumbo Party. Silly to deny it….. worse to think so…. or should I say: Think you think so. so wrapped up in your (partisan) BS you think vapid word games will protect you.

            ……………then you Link to Obama.

            Ha, ha. No partisanship displayed at all.

            Buy a Dictionary: partisan doesn’t limit itself to describing political parties.

            ………….that dictionary can help you find synonyms for “whine” as well. Same ballpark…more precision.

  13. NewFormatSux says:

    More fake news:

    “In the video he is choked and repeatedly called the n-word. His clothes are slashed and he is terrorized with a knife. His alleged captors repeatedly reference Donald Trump. Police are holding four people in connection with the attack. “

  14. kerpow says:

    This argument is funny to me…
    “can you point to documents that they [Russians] disclosed that were damaging to the Republican party?”

    Russia didn’t have to release anything damaging because trump was doing a fine job of damaging things himself. And yet, people still thought Clinton was worse. If Trump was so bad what does it say about the candidate that couldn’t beat him? Maybe more people would have voted for her if they didn’t know all the shady shit that was exposed, but then, wouldn’t we have got the actual worst person in office? If the Russians did hack and expose the truth, I say they did us a favor.

    • bobbo, we think with words and flower with ideas says:

      The “interference” is that Russia did not reveal the truthful damaging information on Trump to balance the truthful damaging information on Hillary. I mean: fair is fair.

      Our Media: did nothing all along except sell ad space to the American Sheeples.

      • ± says:

        I actually think that you, bobbo, are clueless about how you, a quintessential R/D voter, call out others for being sheeple. You and most others on this blog fall in the same category.

        It is entertaining for me to watch y’all arguing over the new arrangement of the deck chairs on the Titanic and how a different arrangement would be better. And you all clearly think this has something to do with the iceberg.

                    🙁 🙁 🙁

        • Move On says:

          ‘Nuff said!

        • bobbo, we think with words and flower with ideas says:

          Well P/M, I wish I could echo your amusement, but I don’t.

          the issues are clear, the consequences real.

          Silly Hooman.

  15. bobbo, we think with words and flower with ideas says:

    Exactly on all topics: this is excellent: CNN vs Kelly Conway. can you spot the “rhetorical” defense Kelly throws up?

    How much REALITY will Trump deny ….. for whatever reasons of no import? We’ll have 4 years, more or LESS, to find out.


  16. bobbo, we think with words and flower with ideas says:

    If the above demonstration of rhetorical device is too subtle for you, here’s one that “should be” unavoidable. It reminds me of my own ONE experience back stage at a fashion show. Right behind the curtain so it was “a public area” with no expectation of privacy and I was ROCKED by how near nude and flashing the babes were being as they adjusted themselves before going on stage. I had real thoughts about trying to get into the fashion industry. Trump is right about one thing: beautiful girls. Even if you can’t talk to them? Ha, ha…..but that affected me only years later.

    More Kelly BS–and how Trump gets away with violating laws all the time:


  17. Phydeau says:

    This blog is going to be in trouble with Trump as president. Obama presented wingnuts with someone they love to hate. Clinton even more so. But now, you won! You got your guy in, and he’s an ongoing disaster. The made-up stories about Obama and Clinton (birth certificate! Benghazi!) were so much more fun for a wingnut than real-life stories about Trump making an idiot of himself, and ignoring all the promises he made to get elected, and turning the government over to rich swamp dwellers.

    A pall of buyer’s remorse has settled over this blog. What government evil can you rail against when the whole government is controlled by your side? When you get screwed by big corporations (and you will) who can you blame??? Meanwhile, annoying libruls like me will be rubbing your face in it. Best to just slink away until the country craters under Republican rule (again) and Democrats are elected to clean up the mess (again) and then you can have someone to make up wild stories about (again) 😀

    • Phydeau says:

      Though the Democrats are still beholden to corporate interests almost as much as the Republicans. Obama was a moderate Republican president by previous generation standards. I was a Bernie supporter! 🙁

      • Nick says:

        You are, without a doubt the most hate-filled and negative person we have ever had on this blog.

        • bobbo, we think with words and flower with ideas says:

          Phydeaux is overly cheery and optimistic for which I am constantly admonishing him.

          YOU……………… CONFUSE the author with the subject matter at hand.

          On purpose?…………. or not yet recognized????

          Yea, verily!

          • Nick says:

            YOU….have driven almost everyone away from this blog.

          • bobbo, we think with words and flower with ideas says:

            Yes….. I’ve been told that by some EDS as well.

            What do you think would account for that, and what would be the result if that had not happened?

            “If True”….. what would that mean?????

            Know what I mean?????

            ………………..and unlike YOU all….. I never encourage anyone to leave, and ALWAYS encourage people to post more. (Certain qualifiers apply—like buying a dictionary first?)

            When will pimping for dictionary sales be banned?????????

            Inquiring minds want to know.

        • Phydeau says:

          Aw Nicky, are your fee-fees hurt? Are you in a bad mood because your hero Trump turned out to be a real turd, and people like me told you so? Better dial 911 and call the waaaaahmbulance! 🙄 🙄

          • Nick says:

            The only group I see crying are Liberals who didn’t get their way. You people are an embarrassment.

    • ± says:

      Tsk. Such a bitter man. Maybe your flavor of who gets to fuck our country closer to collapse will win next time.

    • bobbo, we think with words and flower with ideas says:

      A small dither just for emphasis: the .01% are not swamp dwellers as much as they are swamp creators. Then…. they go live on private islands and gated communities.

      Just saw a presentation of “Rat Fucked” by David Daley “Rat-Fucked: (The True Story Behind The Secret Plan To Steal America’s Democracy) Nothing is going to get better soon. In fact, unavoidably, much worse….. even when recognized and the majority try to change it. Thats rat fucked for sure.

      Ha, ha….. can’t find a youtube and google doesn’t list Amazon on my first page. More 1% manipulation of information?

      We are rat fucked—-and you wingnuts (right now) think it will lead to a brighter future. Morans.


      • ± says:

        bobbo, I can’t stop pointing out your hypocrisy since you never stop generating it. You as a quintessential R/D, belong to the 100,000,000 other rat-fucking electorate. You all will hire them until the collapse.

        PS — you ought to be happy I’m pointing out your hypocrisy all the time since it helps you to get your word count up

        [bobbo-like, pseudo-pithy peroration not included here]

        • bobbo, we think with words and flower with ideas says:

          “bobbo, I can’t stop pointing out your hypocrisy since you never stop generating it….” /// Thats actually a good line. Kudos.

          Wrong on everything else, but the occasional spark is always welcomed.

          When everybody (defined as 90% or more) disagrees with you (your third party advocacy), THAT alone doesn’t mean you are wrong……. but you might think again about it ….. and CERTAINLY: you shouldn’t ride on a high horse as if it was everyone else that was wrong.

          Or not….. and continue to be what everybody thinks of you: rather irrelevant.

  18. Phydeau says:

    Where are all the people who were gloating when Trump was elected? You know who you are. Who has the balls to admit they were wrong? Yeah, I’m holding my breath for that to happen. Run away, wingnuts.

    • Tomas says:

      We’ve moved on. You should too.

      There’s more to life than politics.

    • bobbo, we think with words and flower with ideas says:

      Gee Phydeaux: in fairness, isn’t it still too early to conclude that? I mean: most likely, just not yet proven??

      Saw a clip where Trump was in disagreement with one of his supporters/appointees? We just don’t know yet what kind of crazy Trump will be. He can still go full tilt in any number of directions or keep the show on the road with his zany flip flops.

      I dont think anyone dumb enough to have supported Trump up to his election has any grounds so far to pull that support away. Recognition won’t come by sober analysis but rather by having one’s own interests smashed. Obama Care will do that to 20 Million first year….. and 30 Million more the second year as PRIVATE HEALTHCARE continues to rape America: which is why O-Care was passed to begin with.

      Silly Hoomans.

      Is 7 days with no new OP a record?………. A tie?

      ………………….. to be continued?????

  19. NewFormatSux says:

    Obama expands surveillance powers, allowing other agencies to have access to NSA data without regards to privacy filters.

    • ± says:

      Obama did promise to have the most “transparent” presidency ever. Maybe he’s just trying to keep a promise in his last minutes. [snark] ↓5   🙄

  20. Hmeyers says:

    Obama awarded Biden the Presidential Medal of Honor, the nations highest honor. Now I like Uncle Joe, and the speech he did on Labor Day 2015 before deciding to not run was incredible.

    But did Uncle Joe do anything while in office? Wasn’t his job to take naps or something? And maybe go to funerals and such.

    Obama missed an opportunity — he should have also should have awarded Hillary a “Participation Trophy. Maybe give her one of those Burger King crowns too, the ones that come with the happy meals.

    • Tomas says:

      A Participation trophy and a paper crown……now that would make a great SNL sketch.

    • NewFormatSux says:

      It occurs to me that Obama deserves his Nobel Peace Prize for keeping Hillary out of the Presidency.

      • Phydeau says:

        Wow, so much detachment from reality. NFS ignores the ongoing daily disaster that is the Trump experience. You think billionaires, Republican Fat Cats and Wall Street insiders running the country is a good thing, NFS? Do tell. 🙄


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