Wow! I didn’t know that current iPhones didn’t have face recognition. Android has had that for years. My HTC 10 has it.



  1. bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo? says:

    I don’t want or need a phone…I use skype with a total cost of about $2 per year for all the phone calls I make…………….

    ……………but I got an android phone to “test” virtual reality. From NewEgg I got a nice HD screen with NO screen door effect for about $150. Its well known in china, I think new to america: the Nubia.

    It does “everything” I can think of. It has fingerprint ID for log in but I don’t use it, nor most of the other functions. It works GREAT as a VR source. I still need to check out Google…whatever it is but the 360Degree walk thrus are just find.

    So………………………. what does a $600 IPhone do that I would die if I knew it was available? All I’ve heard about the new $1000 IPhone is that it has Facial REcognition for log in. Thats worth about zero in my book.

    Whats the Beef?

    • Mr Diesel - Libertarian says:

      Where do you get anything to run on your Android to even use a VR headset? Sounds like an idiotic question but no shit, my SO got a headset and all I could find was some stupid looking roller coaster video.

      Not like I spend a lot of time looking, hell, I have a brand new drone sitting in my office on top of the box I’ve never flown.

      Any tips on finding real VR apps for Samsung G7?

      • bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo? says:

        Thanks Mr D….yea, I got the phone as my first step into VR before building my own rig. I’m still “waiting” for a wireless headset as “I Know” I would tip over my system fairly soon.

        I d/l’d about 10 360Degree film clips from the Google Play Store. Enough to show me again the concept works. With the phone and google glass type goggles one can get what might satisfy me: 3D movies, museum tours and still 3D photos. I have downloaded some of these from the web as well but the file size immediately exceeds the memory on my phone…so its small clips only for now. There is another Google set of films “Passport” or some such where the phone gets a feed off the web for longer playing clips….supposedly amatuer shot films from all over the world like Google Photos on their map system.

        I really would like to use Google Maps to fly VR all over the world….but for that I’ll need my $1000 computer…..and not until its wireless.

        Just keep googling “VR” and you should find more than you want. Any particular subject????…… I got an Obama like tingle down my leg watching Bill Gates demo Microsoft (Whatever) for virtual business meetings and such where YOU and I could hook up and explore the back side of the Himalayas or any other place on earth…then shoot aliens together. Not that I’m suggesting we do that….but this is all off the shelf available right now at only a manageable introductory fan boi price.

        Google Store: one nice video tour of the solar system, another was a dive thru an underwater cave. All worth doing “once” and thats about it. That is an advantage of “immersive VR”…you can explore outside the filmed route. There are 1000’s if not millions available outside the store on the Internet.

        I was watching Halt and Catch Fire last night where the software babe was developing “Games you live in rather than games you play…” I think this could be one of several killer apps in the VR scheme of things…….. just add some pulsating latex…..

        • Mr Diesel - Libertarian says:

          Thank you. I take back some of what I’ve said about you.

          • bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo? says:

            Why? Its all valid…….. to one degree or another.

            We are all more alike than different. Even the assholes from the saints.

          • bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo? says:

            ….. and it sounds like you have an IPhone or have used one?

            My sister has one but is too stupid to answer direct questions…so I never bother.

            Is there anything to recommend an IPhone over the $160 class of Android Phones?

            My one and only experience with a smart phone has been excellent:

            https://newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16875706005&cm_re=nubia_z11-_-75-706-005-_-Product

          • Mr Diesel - Libertarian says:

            See, I knew you didn’t read everything I posted. I said Samsung G7.

            Pssst, that’s an Android.

            silly hooman

          • bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo? says:

            I don’t follow. I gave the way I found VR film clips to play.

            I have only “just” bought my FIRST phone. I suppose I could add Id don’t know the or any other phone at all.

            …and vice versa…I assume if you don’t answer questions about why the IPhone is worth 6 times the phone I have its because you don’t know or as you say, you didn’t read the question or it didn’t stick, or you don’t care…………..or………..

            Always a list of things to consider.

            We are all silly about something. The best of us try to minimize such a thing.

          • ± says:

            Very politic way of avoiding that you won’t take back all the worst stuff that’s been identified about bobbo.   😂 🤣

  2. bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo? says:

    Oh…by coincidence Morning Joe talked about the New Iphone. Their comment was Apple needed a “cheaper phone that did not break.” I assume they mean the glass front?…..or is it all marketing with apple? For over $150—it really should be stellar in all respects.

  3. bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo? says:

    http://newatlas.com/apple-iphone-x/51315/?utm_source=Gizmag+Subscribers&utm_campaign=ce63f757f8-UA-2235360-4&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_65b67362bd-ce63f757f8-89824278

    Higher than Needed Resolution for screen and camera. The 1080 my Android has is perfectly fine for VR….so I don’t see the need here.

    Conspicuous consumption. Yeah, I know…… its what Apple has been selling for years………..Worlds Most profitable company?

    Silly hoomans.

  4. zanta says:

    Mark,

    Your 10 years old Android phone has a gimmicky facial recognition that can be fooled by a using a photograph.

    The iPhone X facial recognition cannot even be fooled even by using a 3D mask of a person.

    Please read more than the headlines before posting idiotic comments, that make you look like Dvorak.

  5. zanta says:

    https://www.macrumors.com/2017/09/13/how-iphone-x-face-id-works/

    In the new iPhone X, Face ID, a facial recognition system, replaces the Touch ID fingerprint sensor we’ve grown accustomed to since it was introduced in the iPhone 5s.

    Because Face ID is a new biometric system, there are a lot of questions about its accuracy and how it will work in various conditions, all of which Apple has answered both in the keynote and on its website.

    How Face ID Scans Your Face

    Face ID is enabled through a TrueDepth front-facing camera on the iPhone X, which has multiple components. A Dot Projector projects more than 30,000 invisible dots onto your face to map its structure.

    The dot map is then read by an infrared camera and the structure of your face is relayed to the A11 Bionic chip in the iPhone X and transformed into a mathematical model. The A11 chip then compares your facial structure to the facial scan stored in the iPhone X during the setup process.

    As with Touch ID, if there is a match between the two face scans, the iPhone X will unlock. From there, you can swipe upwards to get to the Home screen.

    Face ID in the Dark

    Face ID uses infrared to scan your face, so it works in low lighting conditions and in the dark. The TrueDepth camera also has what Apple calls a “Flood Illuminator,” aka an infrared light that illuminates your face in the dark so the dot map and the infrared camera can do their jobs.

    Fooling Face ID

    First of all, Face ID can’t be fooled by a photo because it takes a 3D facial scan to unlock a device. Face ID is also “attention aware,” a feature Apple implemented for extra security.

    Face ID will only unlock your device when you look in the direction of the iPhone X with your eyes open, meaning Face ID only works when there’s a live person in front of it. Attention aware is optional, though, and can be turned off if you choose. Most people will want to leave attention awareness on, but for users unable to focus their attention on the iPhone, turning it off will allow the iPhone X to unlock with just a facial scan.

    Face ID is also sensitive enough to tell the difference between you and someone who is wearing a mask of your face. Apple trained Face ID with hyperrealistic masks created by Hollywood studios, ensuring a mask of a person wouldn’t be able to fool the Face ID system.

    According to Apple, Face ID is more secure than Touch ID because there are slimmer chances of a mismatch. There’s a 1 in 50,000 chance someone will be able to unlock your iPhone with their fingerprint, but a 1 in 1,000,000 chance someone else’s face will fool Face ID. That doesn’t count for twins, though — if you have an identical twin, that error rate increases.

    Touch ID locks a device after five failed attempts, but with Face ID, Apple is only allowing two failed attempts. After two incorrect scans, the iPhone X will lock and require your passcode to unlock again.

    Face ID With Hats, Beards, Makeup, and Glasses

    Face ID works with hats, beards, glasses, scarves, and other accessories that partially obscure the face. According to Apple, this is because the A11 Bionic chip in the iPhone X uses machine learning and a neural engine to recognize changes in your appearance.

    It’s also likely that Face ID, like other facial recognition systems, has a match threshold that’s below 100 percent, so even with part of the face not visible, it recognizes the part that is visible.

    Face ID also adapts to changes in your appearance over time, so it will continue to recognize you as you grow a beard or grow your hair longer.

    One caveat — Apple doesn’t mention sunglasses. There’s a chance that Face ID doesn’t work when wearing sunglasses because it obscures your eyes, and eye contact is required for unlocking the device. Attention aware can be disabled, though, so Face ID may work with sunglasses in that situation.

    Face ID When Unconscious or Sleeping

    If someone knocks you unconscious or attempts to unlock your iPhone X with your face while you’re sleeping, it’s not going to work.

    As mentioned above, you need to look at your iPhone for Face ID to grant access to your device.

    Face ID Privacy

    On iPhones with Touch ID, your fingerprint data is stored in a Secure Enclave on the device, and the same is true of Face ID. Your facial map is encrypted and kept in the Secure Enclave, with authentication happening entirely on your device. No Face ID data is uploaded to iCloud or sent to Apple.

    Multiple Faces in Face ID

    When using Touch ID, multiple fingerprints can be added to a device so more than one person can unlock it. That is not possible with Face ID. Face ID makes a map of a single face and that’s the only face that can unlock the iPhone X. To add a new face, the existing face must be removed.

    Face ID at an Angle

    You don’t need to hold the iPhone X right in front of your face for it to make a Face ID scan. On stage at the keynote event, it was shown held at a comfortable viewing angle and held flat downwards while making an Apple Pay payment at payment terminal.

    Face ID and Apple Pay

    Face ID replaces Touch ID when authenticating Apple Pay purchases. When checking out with Apple Pay, a glance at the iPhone X will authenticate a payment, and a double click on the side button of the device will confirm it.

    Face ID will also work in lieu of Touch ID for confirming iTunes payments, accessing secure apps, and more. All third-party apps that use Touch ID will also be able to use Face ID.

    Face ID Special Features

    With the “attention aware” feature, the iPhone X knows when you’re looking at it. Face ID will display notifications and messages on the Lock screen when you look at the iPhone X, it will keep the screen lit, and it will automatically lower the volume of an alarm or ringer when it knows your attention is on the iPhone X’s display.

    Face ID Neural Engine

    Face ID is powered by a two-core neural engine built into the A11 Bionic chip. It works in real time and can process more than 600 billion operations per second.

    To train the neural engine, Apple used more than a billion facial images and created several neural networks.

    Face ID Growing Pains

    Touch ID was slow and imperfect when it first launched, and Face ID may not be perfect right away either. iPhone X hands-on reports were generally impressed with the Face ID feature, but there were some reports of problems with the feature not working until the display was turned on and off.

    Apple will likely refine Face ID in software updates to further work out bugs, and future iPhones will undoubtedly come with more advanced Face ID systems that further improve the feature’s functionality.

    Apple says Face ID is the future of how we will unlock our smartphones, suggesting Face ID will be the de facto Touch ID replacement in devices going forward.

    • bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo? says:

      How about facial ID when you are dead? Super glue the eyes open to get access?

      Seems to me………..facial and fingerprint ID is BAD. The cops can get your info over your refusal. Hmmm….I could see a combo (as usual) with face ID working if used every 12 or 24 hours but after that time a standard code is required?

      Pro’s and cons to all we do.

    • Greatest thing since sliced bread? says:

      Live adaptive Face ID data. All being intercepted and stored by benevolent security officials.

      Make you feel safe?

      Not possible? Explain.

    • ± says:

      Gawd. How much did dvorak.org get payed for this commercial?

      Of course bobbo jumps in to support his kindred. As he has before.

  6. McAndroid says:

    It’s about time they tried to catch up with Samsung

  7. bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo? says:

    Just saw a nice show on tv. “How Its Made” Exotic Car Edition. Covered the Tesla Model S. I want one.

    Of interest: the electric motor is based on the original Tesla design…..and without any basis to say it…. looks to me like the way it is built, “heat” could be a major issue: if the coils heat up and certain insulation is lost…there goes your motor. I assume it is designed and built so that is about ZERO chance of occurring?

    Not covered enough: the design and construct of the batter pack. …… Again with NO AUTHORITY and if its even an issue…seems to me the pack could be built in a modular fashion so that it truly could be “instantly” replaced at a chargin station? Maybe not the whole thing….but why not some substantial part of it…say 50 miles or so? Just a thought that occured to me.

    Of not: ANALOGUE presentation of digital data. Not the dashboard showed in that other post but a rather standard and attractive standard presentation.

    Anyway…nice show. Worth the look with more details desired. I’m getting old. Don’t care at all about Ferrarris and other go fast too small and finicky Italian toys.

    I would like a Tesla.

    • NewFormatSux says:

      Felon Musk has claimed to have built (and deployed) the battery swap. A fast battery swap no less. The place that offers it is by appointment only, and the charge is so high that no one would use it. Tesla gets $100 million for the fraud selling the credits they got for it from the state.

      • bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo? says:

        I haven’t reviewed in detail, I just don’t care,… but I assume something fishy/illegal went down there. “This” to me is a different issue. just one of 13 different “to be developed” technologies to keep electrics on the road. I assume there will be a mix of all things, just as there should be. ===>Including the FRAUD that goes along with each choice.

        What else is FRAUD = but the cutting edge of free market unregulated capitalism?

        • NewFormatSux says:

          > different issue. just one of 13 different “to be developed” technologies

          According to Elon it is developed and deployed. Set up an appointment.

    • ± says:

      Geez… since when did you start thinking that you have to qualify something you said as having “NO AUTHORITY”? Next you’ll be telling us that darkness follows soon after the sun sets. 😖🙃

  8. Greatest thing since sliced bread? says:

    Another thing we don’t need. Yet millions who can’t afford it will buy them for the bragging rights.

    Instant, short lived gratification is expensive.

    • bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo? says:

      Major key selling point: the gratification is LONG TERM.

  9. Greatest thing since sliced bread? says:

    Your opinion or did I miss the context of your comment?

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  11. Hmeyers says:

    Bobbo to Diesel –>”Why? Its all valid…….. to one degree or another.

    We are all more alike than different. Even the assholes from the saints.”

    Best heart-warming comment I’ve read in a while. Maybe since last Christmas.

    • bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo? says:

      I’ve said it before…. a while back. I don’t like knowingly repeating myself unless its just the right idea.

      There rarely is ever a reason to be upset……. assuming what need be to make that true.

      We think with words, and flower with ideas……. if you haven’t had a new idea in a while, maybe you need some new words…..but people get upset all too easily when encountering new words.

      Silly Hoomans. (Ha, ha……..there’s a phrase I never overuse.)

      • NewFormatSux says:

        >if you haven’t had a new idea in a while, maybe you need some new words….

        Oh my 🙂

        • Hmeyers says:

          In other news, ESPN might be returning to the sports business.

          Instead of the social justice business.

          One of their SportsCenter crew said some things about Trump and Trump tweeted an acknowledgement about the event.

          ESPN is already facing financial pressure due to cord-cutters. If they piss off half their audience, they could crater.

          If they crater, the fat cats at the top lose bonuses and possibly jobs.

          Free market isn’t perfect, but in this case might help ESPN get some focus.

          No one has to watch sports.

          Isn’t that right, Bobbo? 🙂

          • bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo? says:

            I agree. paying for watching sports is a perfect free market activity…… after the state enforced monopolies are put in place to protect the tax advantaged special interests.

            Of note…the comment that it was the same espn that got minimum pressure to fire Trump off his TV show when he made scurrilous and patently untrue statements against Obama.

            …………………Not that having two different sets of rules is not ordained from above, God favoring the rich and all.

            Sports: idiots delight.

          • NewFormatSux says:

            Trump never had a show on ESPN.

            At least some of the cordcutting is driven by ESPN’s leftism. It is a major reason why people get cable to begin with. However now conservatives have less reason, and then you add MNF has been terrible for three years. I don’t know how NBC gets the better game week after week 50 weeks in a row. Odds are one in a million billion.

            They’ve already fired 100 anchors, and Clay Travis reports they are going to do 100 more pretty soon.
            Losing 10 million subscribers that pay close to 100 a year, that’s a lot of money.

          • NewFormatSux says:

            perhaps you are confusing with Rush Limbaugh who was on ESPN studio NFL commentary and was pressured out, or with Curt Schilling who was fired by ESPN for comments at odds with the views of higherups.

          • bobbo, are we Men of Science, or Devo? says:

            No, I’m not confusing…… I know ZERO about sports and its broadcasting other than I NEVER watch it and have to pay $5 a month to Comcast to get any cable at all.

            Its monopolistic pricing, false advertising, and BS……….just like sports.

            SPORTS: are all wonderful if you do it yourself. Pathetic to watch anyone else do it. Kinda like taking a dump.

  12. turbo says:

    They actually copied MSFT tech exactly. https://www.pcworld.com/article/2953512/windows/hands-on-with-windows-10s-windows-hello-it-just-works.html

    Well actually I think it is Intel’s. Problem is it doesn’t work when the bright sun is on your face. Other than that it is great.

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  14. Frank says:

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