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	<title>Comments on: Whatever Happened to MSX Computers?</title>
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		<title>By: multi</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/whatever-happened-to-msx-computers/comment-page-1/#comment-643180</link>
		<dc:creator>multi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 01:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOLOLOL

it&#039;s like saying soccer never was populair because all YOU do is look at borring football &amp; baseball... you really are tooo full of yourself....


anyway, all my friends and me had MSX computers for about 10 years. many of the developers today learnd programming on a MSX. i know this is true for about 2/5th of my (ex-)coworkers. another 1/5th learned it on another system like the c64, trs-80, amiga, etc. then finally about 2/5th learned it at school. tell me where the MSX was such a mistake in that story?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOLOLOL</p>
<p>it&#8217;s like saying soccer never was populair because all YOU do is look at borring football &amp; baseball&#8230; you really are tooo full of yourself&#8230;.</p>
<p>anyway, all my friends and me had MSX computers for about 10 years. many of the developers today learnd programming on a MSX. i know this is true for about 2/5th of my (ex-)coworkers. another 1/5th learned it on another system like the c64, trs-80, amiga, etc. then finally about 2/5th learned it at school. tell me where the MSX was such a mistake in that story?</p>
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		<title>By: Jacco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Apr 2007 23:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve owned several msx computers and still own a Turbo-R.  I also had an  PC-XT at the time, but the msx beat it by a mile.  It was a stepping stone for lots of software companies.  Japan&#039;s Konami for instance produced a large amount of games.  The US is one of the few countries where msx was not hugely popular.  From Saudi Arabia to the USSR, from Brazil to the Netherlands people were working on MSX.  
There is still a very active group of hobbyists active on the system, and it still is a great computer for anyone to learn the basics of programming.
Saying that MSX was a huge mistake is like saying the rotary phone was a mistake.  It was a great system for the time period it was developed in, but lacked financial backing in the US.  The world is larger than just the US and because we have such a large economy, we sometimes forget that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve owned several msx computers and still own a Turbo-R.  I also had an  PC-XT at the time, but the msx beat it by a mile.  It was a stepping stone for lots of software companies.  Japan&#8217;s Konami for instance produced a large amount of games.  The US is one of the few countries where msx was not hugely popular.  From Saudi Arabia to the USSR, from Brazil to the Netherlands people were working on MSX.<br />
There is still a very active group of hobbyists active on the system, and it still is a great computer for anyone to learn the basics of programming.<br />
Saying that MSX was a huge mistake is like saying the rotary phone was a mistake.  It was a great system for the time period it was developed in, but lacked financial backing in the US.  The world is larger than just the US and because we have such a large economy, we sometimes forget that.</p>
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		<title>By: SLotman</title>
		<link>http://www.dvorak.org/blog/whatever-happened-to-msx-computers/comment-page-1/#comment-540472</link>
		<dc:creator>SLotman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 23:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>labeling MSX as &quot;laughable&quot; and saying things like &quot;IF it&#039;s going to be remembered&quot;, just shows how much you don&#039;t know about the machine! 

In the 80&#039;s I had an MSX1, and a friend of mine, had a PC-XT. While the XT had a monochrome monitor and 4 colors (well, four shades of green) - the MSX had amazing 16 colors; while XT had only the speaker to play music, MSX had PSG with 3 channels...

As a learning machine, and as a gaming machine, MSX was one of the best at it&#039;s time...

MSX was a landmark in computers, but just because it never took off on USA, it&#039;s often ignored everywhere. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>labeling MSX as &#8220;laughable&#8221; and saying things like &#8220;IF it&#8217;s going to be remembered&#8221;, just shows how much you don&#8217;t know about the machine! </p>
<p>In the 80&#8217;s I had an MSX1, and a friend of mine, had a PC-XT. While the XT had a monochrome monitor and 4 colors (well, four shades of green) &#8211; the MSX had amazing 16 colors; while XT had only the speaker to play music, MSX had PSG with 3 channels&#8230;</p>
<p>As a learning machine, and as a gaming machine, MSX was one of the best at it&#8217;s time&#8230;</p>
<p>MSX was a landmark in computers, but just because it never took off on USA, it&#8217;s often ignored everywhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 19:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi John,

Look a little bit further as the U.S. and see that msx is one hell of a system!
As Manuel said: at the release of msx2 in 1985 it was the most powerfull 8-bit computer!

Regards Eric</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi John,</p>
<p>Look a little bit further as the U.S. and see that msx is one hell of a system!<br />
As Manuel said: at the release of msx2 in 1985 it was the most powerfull 8-bit computer!</p>
<p>Regards Eric</p>
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		<title>By: Manuel Bilderbeek</title>
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		<dc:creator>Manuel Bilderbeek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2007 08:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi John,

Nice analysis. The names of the standards you mentioned aren&#039;t entirely accurate though. After MSX which was introduced in 1983, MSX2 followed in 1985. A bit late, but at that time it was the most powerful 8-bit computer available. MSX2 was very popular in the Netherlands, were a couple of hundred-thousand machines were sold, more than MSX. 
In the US, it indeed never took off; mostly the Yamaha CX5M was sold there, as a musical instrument. And maybe a few Spectravideo MSX machines were sold there as well. But in Japan, the Netherlands, Spain and Brazil it was popular for a long time!

In 1988 the MSX2+ standard was introduced, however, only a handful of models were released and only officially in Japan. The last incarnation of MSX is the MSXturboR, which was solely made by Panasonic in two models. This one uses the R800 CPU. The two models were released in 1990 and 1992. After that, MSX was commercially dead. (But an active hobby scene remained, even today!)

Until D4E Enterprises, ASCII and the Dutch company Bazix started to sell MSX games again on emulators... Also, a new one-chip MSX (OCM) was introduced: a small MSX machine based on FPGA technology...

OK, that was the small update. You might want to Google a bit to find out more details :) Starting points: http://www.msx.org/ and http://faq.msxnet.org/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi John,</p>
<p>Nice analysis. The names of the standards you mentioned aren&#8217;t entirely accurate though. After MSX which was introduced in 1983, MSX2 followed in 1985. A bit late, but at that time it was the most powerful 8-bit computer available. MSX2 was very popular in the Netherlands, were a couple of hundred-thousand machines were sold, more than MSX.<br />
In the US, it indeed never took off; mostly the Yamaha CX5M was sold there, as a musical instrument. And maybe a few Spectravideo MSX machines were sold there as well. But in Japan, the Netherlands, Spain and Brazil it was popular for a long time!</p>
<p>In 1988 the MSX2+ standard was introduced, however, only a handful of models were released and only officially in Japan. The last incarnation of MSX is the MSXturboR, which was solely made by Panasonic in two models. This one uses the R800 CPU. The two models were released in 1990 and 1992. After that, MSX was commercially dead. (But an active hobby scene remained, even today!)</p>
<p>Until D4E Enterprises, ASCII and the Dutch company Bazix started to sell MSX games again on emulators&#8230; Also, a new one-chip MSX (OCM) was introduced: a small MSX machine based on FPGA technology&#8230;</p>
<p>OK, that was the small update. You might want to Google a bit to find out more details <img src='http://www.dvorak.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Starting points: <a href="http://www.msx.org/" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href='http://www.msx.org/' rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.msx.org/</a> and <a href="http://faq.msxnet.org/" rel="nofollow" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><a href='http://faq.msxnet.org/' rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://faq.msxnet.org/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kendall Brookfeld</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kendall Brookfeld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 16:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I developed a color MacPaint-style painting application for the MSX-2 for Matsushita (Panasonic), and it was an incredible challenge to pull off on a Z-80 using meticulously hand-crafted assembly code. Just the thought that the Atari ST and Amiga were contemporaries of this 8-bit dog is sad and funny. The only saving grace is that the MSX-2 had much better graphics hardware than the original MSX.

The hardware manuals were all in Japanese, and they were being very hastily translated for me while I worked, by a guy we found who could read &quot;some&quot; Japanese.

Matsushita provided only the vaguest specs for the product, and were surprised when some features weren&#039;t what they were expecting. The vagaries of collaborating with a Japanese company in those days could be hilarious and frustrating, though I suppose things haven&#039;t changed that much.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I developed a color MacPaint-style painting application for the MSX-2 for Matsushita (Panasonic), and it was an incredible challenge to pull off on a Z-80 using meticulously hand-crafted assembly code. Just the thought that the Atari ST and Amiga were contemporaries of this 8-bit dog is sad and funny. The only saving grace is that the MSX-2 had much better graphics hardware than the original MSX.</p>
<p>The hardware manuals were all in Japanese, and they were being very hastily translated for me while I worked, by a guy we found who could read &#8220;some&#8221; Japanese.</p>
<p>Matsushita provided only the vaguest specs for the product, and were surprised when some features weren&#8217;t what they were expecting. The vagaries of collaborating with a Japanese company in those days could be hilarious and frustrating, though I suppose things haven&#8217;t changed that much.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexandre Strube</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alexandre Strube</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 22:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MSX were the most popular computer in brazil for years. There are ide adaptors, memory, etc for it even today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MSX were the most popular computer in brazil for years. There are ide adaptors, memory, etc for it even today.</p>
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		<title>By: Hoo Hoo Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hoo Hoo Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, now you&#039;ve got me longing back to my old msx2. We had some great times together! Lots of games, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, now you&#8217;ve got me longing back to my old msx2. We had some great times together! Lots of games, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: John C Dvorak</title>
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		<dc:creator>John C Dvorak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 17:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TOM, it&#039;s so they get into the RSS feed. I&#039;m not about to hand code RSS.

Howard, you coul dhave been a famous musician!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TOM, it&#8217;s so they get into the RSS feed. I&#8217;m not about to hand code RSS.</p>
<p>Howard, you coul dhave been a famous musician!</p>
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		<title>By: Howard Harawitz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Howard Harawitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I got into personal computers in the seventies because I was interested in music and technology and felt that they would eventually be used to create music.

The MIDI standard was created around 1984. I actually had two MSX computers. I bought them because they were the first computer to have a MIDI interface and a Yamaha 4-operator FM music synthesizer either built-in or available as a cartridge you could plug in (I forget which). That was the only thing I used them for. It was a bit crude but it did enable me to make multi-timbral MIDI music very early on -- and at a relatively reasonable price. I sold them after I bought a stand-alone MIDI synthesizer and an Atari ST which had built-in MIDI capability, along with a disk drive and a variety of music software.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got into personal computers in the seventies because I was interested in music and technology and felt that they would eventually be used to create music.</p>
<p>The MIDI standard was created around 1984. I actually had two MSX computers. I bought them because they were the first computer to have a MIDI interface and a Yamaha 4-operator FM music synthesizer either built-in or available as a cartridge you could plug in (I forget which). That was the only thing I used them for. It was a bit crude but it did enable me to make multi-timbral MIDI music very early on &#8212; and at a relatively reasonable price. I sold them after I bought a stand-alone MIDI synthesizer and an Atari ST which had built-in MIDI capability, along with a disk drive and a variety of music software.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually had one of Sony MSX computers way back when.... the Atari ST blew it away</description>
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		<title>By: The other Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>The other Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So...
If all these &quot;Whatever happened to...&quot; stories are being archived onto dvoral.org/whatever, why do all of them need to be posted to the front page again?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So&#8230;<br />
If all these &#8220;Whatever happened to&#8230;&#8221; stories are being archived onto dvoral.org/whatever, why do all of them need to be posted to the front page again?</p>
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