Video: Larry Craig – “I’m not gay!”

Published on August 31st, 2007
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# 1 morbo said, on August 31st, 2007 at 3:31 pm

He may not be, but one thing for sure is, he’s resigning. I did learn more than I ever wanted to know this week about cryptic bathroom stall signals. Worthless knowledge filling our brains.

# 2 Rob Nee said, on August 31st, 2007 at 3:33 pm

I’m not gay. I just like to blow strangers in airport bathrooms.

# 3 jdm said, on August 31st, 2007 at 3:43 pm

I wonder if he’ll restate his sexuality tomorrow from the floor of the Senate. He could be a real hero for Gay rights if he didn’t hate himself for being Gay.

# 4 pedro said, on August 31st, 2007 at 3:46 pm

Hate himself for being gay?????????

# 5 hhopper said, on August 31st, 2007 at 3:51 pm

Being gay is not the problem. Soliciting sex from a stranger in a mens room is the problem.

# 6 natefrog said, on August 31st, 2007 at 4:04 pm

This is great! Avenue Q, I presume?

#4, pedro: Craig is a vocal opponent of gay rights.

# 7 Angel H. Wong said, on August 31st, 2007 at 4:10 pm

I’m gonna play the devil’s advocate and suggest that he might be bisexual.

# 8 jlm said, on August 31st, 2007 at 4:25 pm

why is it the conservatives that turn out to be the freaks who go against all the religious morals they supposedly live by, preach and lobby for so much?

# 9 Anonymous Coward said, on August 31st, 2007 at 4:50 pm

He’s not gay! Just the guys he has sex with are.

# 10 Mister Mustard said, on August 31st, 2007 at 5:05 pm

>>Soliciting sex from a stranger in a mens room is the problem.

Soliciting sex from a stranger in the men’s room is naughty. Soliciting gay sex from another man in the men’s room while your wife is home alone, after you’ve spent your entire adult life vilfying, marginalizing, and criminalizing gays and trumpeting “family values” and trying to constitutionally outlaw gay marriage…..well, that’s VERY naughty.

Good riddance to the fucking hypocritical lying sack of shit. May all his bretheren follow in his footsteps.

# 11 Awake said, on August 31st, 2007 at 5:07 pm

Gay sexual behavior just makes it worse in a ‘relative way’.
Here we have one of the leaders of our country, a person that should behave as an example to our society, apparently indulging in random sexual encounters in inappropriate places.
It’s the same as those politicians that prattle away about family values, yet engage in sex with women other than their wife (hookers / lovers / staff). Or political voices that cover their microphones in spittle roaring away about family values, yet they themselves have been married multiple times.

# 12 Raff said, on August 31st, 2007 at 5:42 pm

I’m going to see if the image tags work.. sorry for the double post

# 13 hhopper said, on August 31st, 2007 at 5:43 pm

Geez, why don’t you say what you really think Mr. M.?

# 14 Milo said, on August 31st, 2007 at 5:50 pm

The worst is yet to come. GWB has already been caught cross dressing.

http://tinyurl.com/35jrm2

And holding hands with other men.

http://tinyurl.com/38qk3z

It’s only a matter of time.

http://tinyurl.com/8ufrk

# 15 BillM said, on August 31st, 2007 at 6:01 pm

Mister Mustard. You hit it right. The guy is a scum bag and I’m glad he’s gone. Hope more follow. He would have been better off if he just left a young girl to drown after a drunken party.

# 16 framitz said, on August 31st, 2007 at 6:12 pm

#8
The do it to hide.

They condemn all of the things that they actually are to reduce suspicion.

There is no worse form of hypocrit than this type of sociopathic coward.

# 17 TIHZ_HO said, on August 31st, 2007 at 6:17 pm

I didn’t get the whole story here – not being in the US – is the bumping of the feet along with the hand under the stall a signal for sex?

I read the transcript and it seems that LC didn’t ask for anything…so gestures can get you arrested now?

So if I sit down on a toilet and someone bumps my feet and say I give the other guy the finger from under the stall I can get arrested? Is this how it works?

I can understand engaging someone in a dialogue about sex but from the transcript there seems to be something I am missing so please let me know.

Cheers

# 18 Lauren the Ghoti said, on August 31st, 2007 at 6:33 pm

#5 – Da Hopsta

“Being gay is not the problem. Soliciting sex from a stranger in a mens room is the problem.”

Bingo! Thank you… Straights have no monopoly on sleazy lifestyles. If you don’t believe me, ask George Michael…

#13

“Geez, why don’t you say what you really think Mr. M.?”

I know, there he goes again, sugarcoating it… ;)

• • • • • • •

#15 – BillM

“He would have been better off if he just left a young girl to drown after a drunken party.”

OOPS! S m o o t h fergot about that, what with Kennedy being the one and only official representative of all Democrats past, present and future and all.

Guess that makes what Larry Craig et alia Republicans have done OK, then. Free passes for all GOP misbehavior forever, courtesy of Teddy the K.

Thanks for the tip.

• • • • • • • •

‘Ted, I’d like you to meet Larry. Larry, this is Ted. He’s not gay either.’ :)

# 19 Rob R said, on August 31st, 2007 at 6:53 pm

#17,
Think about it. Has it ever occurred to you to actually nudge someone’s foot and then reach under a stall??? It wouldn’t be the first thing a straight American guy would think to do.

Even if you nudged someone’s foot, the first thing you’d do is say, “Excuse me” then rapidly remove your foot, quickly finish up and leave. You wouldn’t reach under the stall!

I think these gay social conservative republicans just get aroused from the risk of exposure, the high from risking it all.

# 20 Jägermeister said, on August 31st, 2007 at 6:53 pm

#6 – natefrog – Craig is a vocal opponent of gay rights.

Sounds familiar… hmm… yeah, Ted Haggard…

# 21 Greg Allen said, on August 31st, 2007 at 7:15 pm

I’d like to take a quick survey of the guys here:

Have you ever, even once in your life :

1) Stared through the crack in the door for a minute or two, to see if the stall was in use.
2) Accidentally touched your foot with the guy in the next stall?
3) Ever picked up a piece of toilet paper that was on the floor?

These were the action that Craig claimed the cop misinterpreted.

# 22 Greg Allen said, on August 31st, 2007 at 7:19 pm

… as for me, I’ve never done any of those things, even once, let alone all three together.

By the way, I think sex in public bathrooms is more than “naughty”… I think it should be illegal. The main reason is that young children often have to go in the bathroom alone and they should not have to encounter anything sexual.

# 23 Lauren the Ghoti said, on August 31st, 2007 at 7:29 pm

1) Nope. Takes literally milliseconds, as you walk by, to detect the presence of someone in a stall and to move on.

2) Nope. Maybe I’m just not a ‘wide stance’ kinda guy…

3) Nope. They have janitors to do that. Wipe oneself with something that’s hit a public restroom floor? No thanx.

Most men tend to avoid picking a urinal / stall adjacent to an occupied one anyway…

As far as is it reasonable to think other do these t’ings;

Done one of those things? I’m sure many have.

Two of those things – on the same occasion? Mebbe, mebbe not, but my money’s on mostly ‘not’.

All three – on the same occasion? Pfffft.

“Misinterpreted” Ya. In a restroom already notorious for gay hookups. Of course. An honest mistake. Officer, he had no idea.

Oh, brother… ;)

# 24 BobH said, on August 31st, 2007 at 7:50 pm

BillM

In time, the truth of what happened that night in Chappaquiddick will be released. I speculate it will not be until ALL potentially impacted immediate family and friends are deceased. I will say with no reservation that when the reality of the evening is known, it’s likely Republicans will still declare Senator Kennedy a scoundrel. However, sane people will accept that what happened was a total accident.

Being 60, I may not make it as I am a contemporary of many of the individuals on the island that night — but I hope I live to see the reaction from all the nut jobs that have belittled Ted Kennedy lo these years.

# 25 BobH said, on August 31st, 2007 at 8:19 pm

Greg Allen

“…I think sex in public bathrooms is more than “naughty”… I think it should be illegal. …young children… should not have to encounter anything sexual.”

And therein lies the rub. You believe sex is something to be hidden from tender minds. I would argue I’d rather a child witness a sex act than a murder. Children are exposed to violence in the American diet of TV and games. What’s the issue with a kid seeing a blow job in the stall? The child might ask “What’s that, Dad?” Or he might emulate it with a schoolmate. Was anyone killed? Not unless some homophobic freak stabs the children with a crucifix.

Perhaps Larry Craig is a self loathing individual seeking further humiliation for his choice of sex partner… but in a world where sex isn’t dirty and being gay not a “sin”, the worst the guy is guilty of is an odd location for a liaison

As a friend once opined: “What’s more obscene: a bare breast or a sucking chest wound?”

And in the words of Frank Zappa-:”What’s the ugliest party of your body? Some say your toes, some say your nose… I think it’s your mind.”

# 26 Mike Voice said, on August 31st, 2007 at 8:25 pm

317 So if I sit down on a toilet and someone bumps my feet and say I give the other guy the finger from under the stall I can get arrested? Is this how it works?

Sure looks that way, doesn’t it? :(

Important detail #1: the officer was investigating complaints of lewd behavior in the public bathroom – so the officer would have been alert for something anyone else would have ignored.

Important detail #2: he plead guilty to a disorderly conduct charge rather than defend himself against the officers accusations.

http://tinyurl.com/2ju5e8

Important bathroom tips:

http://www.kansascity.com/238/story/255682.html

# 27 Mister Mustard said, on August 31st, 2007 at 8:37 pm

>>3) Ever picked up a piece of toilet paper that was on the floor?

Ah, but THERE WAS NO PIECE OF TOILET PAPER ON THE FLOOR. The “honorable” Senator was making some kind of kitchie-kitchie-koo motion under the stall partition that was meant to indicate that if his neighbor had a boner that needed servicing, he was his man.

And as to the “wide stance”, HAW HAW HAW. Unless the “honorable” Senator weights 1400 pounds, there’s just no way he was so “wide” as not to be able to keep his feet in his own stall. I’ve been in the bathrooms at the MSP airport, and I never had any trouble keeping my feet in my own stall. In fact, you’d have to be a gymnast to get a loafer in each of the adjoining stalls.

Buh-bye, Larry. I hope you get an HIV test before you have sex with your wife again.

# 28 Lauren the Ghoti said, on August 31st, 2007 at 9:31 pm

#25 – BobH

Nothing like carrying liberalism to a ludicrously absurd extreme.

“What’s the issue with a kid seeing a blow job in the stall?”

For a person to even ask such a question is a telling sign of how “tolerance” and value relativism has completely eaten away sanity and common sense in the West.

How about because exposure to dysfunctional sexual behavior in childhood can permanently imprint dysfunctional associations?

For a child to accidentally witness a pair-bonded, affectionate couple engaging in conventional sexual activity – something that can still result in trauma, since children are not mentally or emotionally equipped to comprehend what they’re witnessing, let alone the complex emotions evoked – is something to be avoided under the best of circumstances.

But to think that witnessing mentally unhealthy strangers compulsively engaging in deviant sexual behavior in a public place doesn’t place a prepubescent child at high risk of major psychological trauma is beyond idiotic, it’s borderline criminal.

FYI, straight or not, people who do compulsively seek sex with anonymous strangers, in public places intended for urination and defecation, are in point of fact mentally unhealthy – and anyone who would allow any child to be exposed to such activity should never be permitted custodial care of any child. Sure, you have the right to do with another consenting adult whatever you choose – but that does not and never has meant that your acts are necessarily healthy, physically or mentally. Or that child will not be damaged by witnessing them.

Adults are presumed to be mature, by definition, and can therefore choose for themselves from the gamut of options, from totally healthy and beneficial to self-destructively compulsive and destructive. Children are not competent and should never be exposed to sexual dysfunction if it can possibly be avoided.

WTF is Larry Craig doing but acting on faulty imprints of what constitutes normal sexual behavior that he received in childhood?

If he hadn’t been programmed by early events in his life to accept at a fundamental, nonverbal level that sex should be furtive, anonymous and involve excretory functions, he would’ve been home, in bed, merrily screwing his wife instead of sneaking around hoping to fellate some stranger in a toilet stall.

Word.

# 29 Greg Allen said, on August 31st, 2007 at 9:43 pm

Re: #25 & #28

I’m a liberal but I think what BobH says is totally off-base. I’m pretty sure the vast majority of liberals feel the same way.

Yes… OF COURSE… I’d rather my 7 year old son see a blow job than a murder, but both are damaging and he should be subject to neither.

Sex acts in public rest rooms are appropriately illegal. It is just wrong if my wife sends our child into a rest room and he has to risk seeing extremely inappropriate sexual behavior by a bunch of Republicans.

# 30 Anonymous Coward said, on August 31st, 2007 at 10:08 pm

Was Craig a pitcher or a catcher? Inquiring minds…

# 31 joshua said, on August 31st, 2007 at 10:25 pm

#24…BobH….Ted Kennedy should at the least been charged with criminal negligence. That girl died because of his behavior and lack of balls, nothing more.
As to your theory that blow job trauma is acceptable to a child….I think you need long and intensive therapy yourself.

Neither party has a lock on pervs in the ranks, we are going through a Republican storm at the moment, but it will change again, it always does.
Craig is supposed to resign on Saturday, so he should find God and forgiveness by Weds at the latest.

# 32 NappyHeadedHo said, on August 31st, 2007 at 10:32 pm

It could be that he just wanted some help wiping.

# 33 BobH said, on August 31st, 2007 at 11:28 pm

I certainly do enjoying lobbing red meat to lions; but damn, I wish we could chuck in a few Christians just for splatter sport.

Lauren the Ghoti —

“pair-bonded, affectionate couple engaging in conventional sexual activity”

70% of whom will end up in divorce and fellating the next fellow who comes. BTW, love that PC “pair bonded” BS. Code for “NOT QUEER”.

Greg Allen —

“inappropriate sexual behavior”

If it was inappropriate, you wouldn’t ask your wife to do it. And if you don’t ask you wife to do it, you should. Sword swallowing has been acceptable since the first cave coupled figured out it was fun. Note: I don’t differentiate between heterosexual or homosexual spelunkers.

Rape and child molestation are and should be against the law. More importantly, those specific statutes should be enforced. The rest of the “moral” code is religious prejudice and has no place in the world today.

“sanity and common sense”

Give me a break. You’re spouting Christian claptrap. Just because you believe it does not make it real.

# 34 TIHZ_HO said, on August 31st, 2007 at 11:30 pm

#19 Sound reasonable.

The strange thing is who would EVER think of picking up a piece of toilet paper from the floor of a public toilet? Even if I was the one who dropped it there it stays!

Once again this proves to leave the thinking to the larger head.

Well one less idiot in power – how many more left to go huh?

Cheers

# 35 BobH said, on August 31st, 2007 at 11:35 pm

joshua

“That girl died because of his behavior and lack of balls, nothing more.”

You do NOT know the facts; however you are welcome to your belief pending release of the accurate information. Suffice to say I agree with you on one point: a girl died.

“blow job trauma is acceptable to a child….I think you need long and intensive therapy yourself.”

Thank You for your diagnosis. Alas, I’m dismayed to discover you find a blow job traumatic. Something you’d like to share?

# 36 KevinL said, on September 1st, 2007 at 12:20 am

Of course he’s not gay. He a sick f*cker just like gays.

What is it anyway about another man’s hairy ass?

# 37 Mr. Fusion said, on September 1st, 2007 at 1:01 am

#25, Bob,

I agree. Well made argument.

#28, Lauren,

“What’s the issue with a kid seeing a blow job in the stall?”

For a person to even ask such a question is a telling sign of how “tolerance” and value relativism has completely eaten away sanity and common sense in the West.

How about because exposure to dysfunctional sexual behavior in childhood can permanently imprint dysfunctional associations?

If you don’t think 98% of kids that understand what a BJ have not also seen one performed via the internet, you are truly missing something. If merely witnessing a BJ will permanently imprint a person’s sexuality, then there is a whole mess of screwed up people out there.

Do I really want my eight yr old daughter to watch a couple of old gays blowing each other? Of course not. She will discover it happens from the school yard. She will be exposed to sex accidentally via email. The only way to prevent it is to put her in a convent.

# 38 Mr. Fusion said, on September 1st, 2007 at 1:01 am

Yes, Craig is probably a hypocrite and I have little use for people of his stripe. I do, however, like to keep it all in perspective. This should be about entrapment, not Craig’s hypocrisy.

Where is it written that touching the foot of the person in the stall next to you is an overt sign you want a sexual encounter? He didn’t ask for sex. He didn’t offer sex. He didn’t offer money for something unsaid? So what is the crime?

Will an unspoken look at a hooker become grounds to be charged with solicitation? Will a glance at a woman become attempted rape. Will being in the same restaurant as Karl Rove subject you to violating the National Secrets Act?

Craig’s mistake was in pleading guilty. He, however, had no choice. Republicans believe once you are charged with a crime, you are automatically guilty. Unless the Democrats may somehow be blamed. Ya, that’s it. The cop is a Democrat.

# 39 Mr. Fusion said, on September 1st, 2007 at 1:09 am

#31, joshua,

As to your theory that blow job trauma is acceptable to a child….I think you need long and intensive therapy yourself.

Are you speaking from personal experience? Didn’t you once claim to have a healthy sexual attitude?

Neither party has a lock on pervs in the ranks, we are going through a Republican storm at the moment, but it will change again, it always does.

The difference is the Republicans go to such lengths to decry such behavior while Democrats accept people different than them.

A short while ago you claimed in one of your posts that Democrats were worse than Republicans when it came to corruption. I’m glad you are changing your tune.

# 40 Hal said, on September 1st, 2007 at 4:47 am

Maybe Mr. Craig didn’t see this video.

# 41 doug said, on September 1st, 2007 at 5:16 am

wow, it makes me some sort of Christian prude because I would like to be able to use a public mens room without encountering people having sex?

geez, and here I thought I was teetering between atheism and agnosticism.

And for the record, given the choice of witnessing that or a murder, I would prefer to witness Closeted Republican Fun-Time. Fortunately, that is a false choice – murder should not be happening at all, and neither should be happening in public.

Get a room.

#39. As it was said in ‘The Onion’ – I don’t know what the Republicans are so damn mad about, its not like Sen Craig was trying to MARRY the guy.

# 42 BobH said, on September 1st, 2007 at 6:23 am

doug

“I would like to be able to use a public mens room without encountering people having sex?”

Don’t peek – I’m sure the door was closed. Not once, in over 6 decades, have I entered a public restroom and encountered someone engaged in anything more bizarre than birthing a bigot in bowl sans courtesy flush. If you, by contrast, find yourself constantly exposed to hot sex in the loo, you may want to reconsider your choice of comfort station.

BTW, I’d like to have a President with intelligence, a Senator with integrity, and a nation of people who believed in science rather than Christianity. Oh, yes, and Santa… can you make it so people who make potty in public at least wash their hands after?

# 43 Mr. Fusion said, on September 1st, 2007 at 6:24 am

#41, doug,

And for the record, given the choice of witnessing that or a murder, … (snip) … neither should be happening in public.

Very true and I agree. Yet so many people are pretending that there was some “hanky panky” going on in that washroom. There wasn’t. There was a touching of feet and a hand under the stall wall that the cop somehow found to be a sexual solicitation. There was no reported sex.

If there are two guys going at it in a public washroom, then by all means bust them. Please, however, don’t confuse what Craig is accused of with there being actual sex. In no way can any of that be considered lewd behavior.

# 44 Mister Mustard said, on September 1st, 2007 at 6:41 am

>>Yet so many people are pretending that there was
>>some “hanky panky” going on in that washroom. There wasn’t.

No, there was solicitation of hanky-panky. When the cops bust some guy for soliciting prostitution, they don’t wait until he actually hides the salami. In a known gay cruising spot, I think playing footsies, prolonged peekie-boo into the guy’s stall, and making the secret hand motions underneath the stall partitions qualifies.

Even though the guy only pled guilty to disorderly misconduct, there isn’t a person over the age of 10 who doesn’t know what he was REALLY up to. “Wide stance” my ass.

# 45 doug said, on September 1st, 2007 at 6:49 am

#42. You don’t have to peek to know that two people are having sex in a stall. Plus, what if you have to USE the stall, eh? It is the height of discourtesy to others in addition to being something that people going about their ordinary business should not have to encounter.

Get a room.

#43. Oh, yeah – Craig wasn’t actually having sex, but Bob suggests that would have been no problem at all. That’s what I was addressing.

Frankly, I am used to hypocritical politicians – to paraphrase Captain Willard, “Calling politicians hypocrites is like handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500″ – but this takes it to the next level.

The funniest part of this whole episode is how shocked, SHOCKED the cop was that a United States Senator would be LYING to him. “People vote for you!”

I didn’t know they let 6-year-olds onto the force in Minneapolis.

# 46 doug said, on September 1st, 2007 at 7:22 am

oh, and speaking of hypocritical politicians. those small-government Republicans from out Idaho way liked Craig because he was a tall hog at the Federal trough:

“many … prominent state Republicans said they were in disbelief at the turn of events. They expressed sympathy and gratitude for a powerful senator who had supported their campaigns and brought millions of dollars in federal money to Idaho.”

http://tinyurl.com/ywosz7

# 47 BobH said, on September 1st, 2007 at 12:58 pm

Doug

“Plus, what if you have to USE the stall, eh?”

“Try the next door or wait till they finish. That said, if you must enter, keep in mind three’s a crowd. You might consider adding colorful, blow-by-blow commentary.

# 48 doug said, on September 1st, 2007 at 1:36 pm

#47. Yeah, right – there tend to be lots of spare stalls in airports when the planes start arriving.

Get a room.

# 49 Misanthropic Scott said, on September 1st, 2007 at 2:52 pm

#5 – hhopper,

Why is that a problem? No one is alleging rape. No one was under age. If it was his wife in a stall would it matter? It’s just sex people. Get over it. I always like it when hypocritical republicans resign.

However, this case should not be a case at all. If a crime was committed, then it is the law that is in error. Some people like sex in bathroom stalls. I do not understand that. However, it’s none of my damn business.

Of course, being a bigot and a hypocrite, a lying hypocrite at that, is a good reason to get someone out of office. However, none of this should ever have seen the light of day.

If there’s no victim, there’s no crime. Someone show me a victim.

OK, the guy is actually a hypocrite and a liar. I’ll stop defending the bastard now.

#9 – Anonymous Coward,

The quote from the T-Shirts is “I’m not gay, but my penis is.” So, perhaps only his penis is gay.

#21 – Greg Allen,

1) Doesn’t take more than a second, let alone a minute or two.
2) No.
3) No.

And, I’m not even homophobic.

#25 – BobH,

Very well said, thanks.

#28 – Lauren,

But to think that witnessing mentally unhealthy strangers compulsively engaging in deviant sexual behavior in a public place doesn’t place a prepubescent child at high risk of major psychological trauma is beyond idiotic, it’s borderline criminal.

What part was compulsive, deviant, or mentally unhealthy?

All commenters on teh #25 thread:

And, where did anyone say that a child witnessed any of this? If the stall door is closed, it’s private. If not, we need better public rest rooms. OK, actually, we do need better public rest rooms.

Does anyone here think it makes a difference whether this is gay or straight? Stranger or wife? I certainly hope not. As long as it was consensual with no one under age and the stall doors closed, it’s just one of many odd fetishes to like sex in a rest room stall. No one gets hurt. There is no victim. There is no crime.

Too bad we don’t have any politicians, especially on the right, that would stand up and say, “Yup. I just like same sex sex in the rest room. That should be everyone’s right.” Of course, this whack job is publicly against such behavior when he’s not engaging in it, so I’ve got little sympathy.

# 50 hhopper said, on September 1st, 2007 at 3:09 pm

Scott – Promiscuous gay men in restrooms is a major problem. Many of the restrooms in my area have been closed because of this.

# 51 Misanthropic Scott said, on September 1st, 2007 at 3:13 pm

#50 – hhopper,

Would you be more specific about the problem? Are they making a mess? Are they not using stalls? Not closing doors? Not being quiet?

What do you propose the solution is? Outlaw homosexuality? Outlaw promiscuity?

Who are the victims of this problem?

# 52 doug said, on September 1st, 2007 at 4:00 pm

#51. Outlaw sex – gay or straight – in public places?

yes.

Get a room.

# 53 Mister Mustard said, on September 1st, 2007 at 4:06 pm

>>Does anyone here think it makes a difference whether this is
>>gay or straight?

Only to the extent that the “honorable” Senator has spent his life trying to criminalize, marginalize, and culturally exterminate gays in the name of his hallowed “Family Values”. All the while, he’s cruising gay pickup spots looking to suck some anonymous dick.

I don’t think that sort of shit should be a crime at all (unless it involves children); I would have been satisfied with a YouTube video “outing” the hypocritical lying sack of shit as he took a load of hot cum on his face. No charges necessary; just replay the video for his holy-roller constituents and let them decide. If it had been Barney Frank who was caught, I’d say who cares? But a homophobic “Family Values” champion from the right wing? Now THAT is news!

# 54 Misanthropic Scott said, on September 1st, 2007 at 4:37 pm

#52 – doug,

Interesting question. Is a rest room stall a public place? If so, why does no one get arrested for indecent exposure for taking a dump in one?

As I stated above, maybe we just need better rest room stalls. I’ve long thought that the amount of privacy provided in one of the typical U.S. stalls is insufficient.

#53 – MM,

Agreed. Except, the person in question is a cop. Did the cop know that this was a senator when this took place? Is that the only reason that this came to light? Or, were there charges involved? I was under the impression that charges were involved. That’s just wrong.

I’d much rather have heard a civilian gay one night stand out him. A palimony suit would have been even better. If it had to be a cop, why the charges? Why not just the publicity, as you suggest?

Other than that though, overall, I am still very glad to be rid of one more of these wing-nut anti-everything-not-in-the-bible whack jobs.

# 55 hhopper said, on September 1st, 2007 at 4:52 pm

The restrooms I referred to were in local city and county parks. There were many gay guys meeting there. After a number of busts, they decided to close them. That sort of sucked for the public (no pun intended.)

# 56 Misanthropic Scott said, on September 1st, 2007 at 4:56 pm

#55 – hhopper,

So, you’re saying that the problem is that this is currently against the law, causing unnecessary arrests and rest room closures, right? Or, do you see any real crimes with real victims in this?

# 57 hhopper said, on September 1st, 2007 at 5:38 pm

Damn Scott, you’re trying to get me into a major debate here! OK, I think the problem is a bunch of perverts hanging around in restrooms and the stupid city and county commissioners close them instead of facing the problem.

# 58 Misanthropic Scott said, on September 1st, 2007 at 6:04 pm

#57 – hhopper,

Yes, I’m trying to get you into a debate because I enjoy debates. If you want I’ll stop. Or, you can just stop responding.

You said promiscuous gay men in restrooms were the problem. Now you call them perverts. I would like to know if you’d feel the same way if it was straight sex in the rest rooms. What if it was just a popular place for straight young adults? How about if it was popular among a significant number of straight married couples? In short, what part of this is perverted to you? To me, it seems pretty minor.

If the concern is that someone underage will see them, full length walls and doors would help tremendously. Most other countries I’ve been to have them. Europe and pretty much all of Latin America do. In France, it is common to have the urinals and sinks in a common area and full height single toilet stalls for use by both sexes off of that. Such stalls could certainly permit private sex in them. Perhaps that would solve your issue without criminalizing sex.

Either way, the inside of a stall is considered private enough to undress and is therefore, clearly not a public place. Why is it not private enough for sex?

# 59 KevinL said, on September 1st, 2007 at 6:59 pm

#57 hhopper – And the reason these city and county commissioners are powerless to do anything about this is echoed on this thread. “How dare you tell me I can’t suck another man’s dick in a public restroom! If you don’t want to see this then you and your kid can look the other way. You must be a bigot and you are taking away my rights! Hello, is this the ACLU?” A much better solution is to simply close the facilities then to face that.

# 60 Greg Allen said, on September 1st, 2007 at 7:17 pm

BobH,

The inappropriate sexual behavior, IMHO, is sex in a public place.

I’m a liberal so I value tolerance very highly — the sex lives of gays are of no concern to me but young boys should have to witness Republican senators getting blow jobs.

That’s the kind of childhood trauma which breeds more “family values” self loathing gay Republicans and goodness knows the world doesn’t need any more of those!

# 61 Mr. Fusion said, on September 1st, 2007 at 7:26 pm

#44, MM,

No, there was solicitation of hanky-panky. When the cops bust some guy for soliciting prostitution, they don’t wait until he actually hides the salami. In a known gay cruising spot, I think playing footsies, prolonged peekie-boo into the guy’s stall, and making the secret hand motions underneath the stall partitions qualifies.

Bullshit. I’m a traveler. I don’t know that is a “gay hot spot”. I also have no idea what “gay solicitation signs” are. NO effen idea other then a “Hey, ya wanna blow me”.

If you want to suggest that some of these possible innocent actions are “gay solicitation” then fine. But until Craig or some other person actually asks for a sexual favor or makes some comment about money then there has been no solicitation. This is a bullshit charge where the vast majority would plead guilty just to make it go away because the public knowledge would ruin him. As happened with Craig.

Do you want some cop deciding some innocent action you just made is a covert invitation to commit a sex crime? How are you going to fight it? You let this stand then next time it will be some kid being arrested because a high five is the new gang banger sign.

# 62 Mr. Fusion said, on September 1st, 2007 at 7:42 pm

Scott,

Damn you !!! You bring up this idea about whether a washroom stall is a private place or a public place. Now I know what will keep me awake tonight.

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Once last comment on this thread.

I want to see Republicans of all stripes removed. But in the voting booth. This is an unfair ambush. If there is some evidence against Craig, then let’s see it. If there isn’t, then let the guy alone.

# 63 BobH said, on September 1st, 2007 at 9:15 pm

Greg Allen

“The inappropriate sexual behavior, IMHO, is sex in a public place.”

You’ve led a sheltered life. Add some spice: try “under the boardwalk”… or did you think they were singing about another matter? That’s odd, the rest of us understood the lyric so well it made the top 10 in 1964.

# 64 KevinL said, on September 1st, 2007 at 9:59 pm

Speaking of lyrics…At least now I have an answer for George. Why do it in the road when there’s a nice public restroom right here?

# 65 Mister Mustard said, on September 1st, 2007 at 10:10 pm

>>Bullshit. I’m a traveler. I don’t know that is a “gay hot spot”.

Well, I guess you’re not a GAY traveler, then. Those kind of places are well known. They even have “cruising” web sites that tell gay travelers, so inclined, where to go in various cities to engage in public anonymous sexual activities.

>>If you want to suggest that some of these possible innocent
>>actions are “gay solicitation” then fine.

Any one of those actions COULD HAVE BEEN construed as innocent in isolation. But all three, done in a predetermined order, in a well-known gay cruising spot, but a guy who has been suspected of being a closet homo for 20 years?? Come on! Do you have any interest in making a down payment on the Brooklyn Bridge??

>>This is a bullshit charge where the vast majority would
>>plead guilty just to make it go away

Your approach to the criminal justice system must differ from mine, then. If I had been cited in the “honorable” Senator’s “shoes”, I would have pled not guilty with all my might. I don’t cruise for sex, gay or otherwise, in public facilities. If anyone tried to arrest me for doing otherwise, I would use every legal means at my disposal to beat the charge. And I CERTAINLY would not resign my job. Of course, I would be innocent. It’s unlikely that the same thing can be said about the “honorable” Senator.

As I say, I don’t think this sort of thing should be a crime in the first place. Gay, straight, three-way; whatever goes on in somebody else’s crapper stall is not my business. I’m not going to shed any tears over the outing of a lifelong hypocritical hatemonger though. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander, and if he wants to spend his career crucifying gays and calling Bill Clinton a “naughty boy” for his sexual indiscretions, he’ s got to expect that his own gay shenannigans and sexual indiscretions may come back and bite him.

That “wide stance” nonsense is right up there with “heckuva job, Brownie” and “I don’t recall, I can’t recall, Senator at this time I can’t recall that” as fodder for late-night comedians. “Wide stance”?? HAW HAW HAW!

# 66 Rabble Rouser said, on September 2nd, 2007 at 5:37 am

Senator Craig….. Born in Idaho, reared in Minneapolis!

# 67 Mr. Fusion said, on September 2nd, 2007 at 6:16 am

#65, MM

Please stop !!! You are being a total armpit.

Change the name and situation. Now Bush decided that upon his suspicion Joe Blow is a terrorist. Sheet, Blow hangs out with other possible terrorists. He flies on airplanes, a known terrorist tool. Blow also has carried around a brown liquid in a container, ostentatiously sipping from it occasionally. Someone with a very similar name is on the terrorist watch list. Yup, Joe Blow meets the criterion to be a terrorist, arrest him.

Now lets put some facts to this scenerio. Joe Blow is four. Half the kids in his daycare have ADD. His parents have taken him to Disney World and to visit Gramma and Grampa a few states over. His mother gives him apple juice and sometimes chocolate milk in a sippy cup.

BUT JOE BLOW MEETS FOUR CRITERIA !!! Should he be arrested and be charged with being a terrorist?

# 68 Mister Mustard said, on September 2nd, 2007 at 6:47 am

>>BUT JOE BLOW MEETS FOUR CRITERIA !!!

And you say that _I_ am being an armpit?? Geez, Mr. Fusion, then you’re a melted-down nuclear reactor.

While I agree that it’s possible to entrap someone or to accuse them falsely for performing innocent behaviors, do you actually think this is what happened to Larry Craig? You really think the guy was NOT cruising for a hot meat snack??? Christ, I think you’re ready to make down payments on both the Brooklyn AND Manhattan Bridges, and maybe the Triboro and Throg’s Neck to boot!!! And if you’re feeling groovy, I’ll throw in the 59th Street Bridge for free.

Face it, dude. The “honorable” Senator Craig is a rump-wrangler who was cruising for a quickie, doing all the things quickie-cruisers do when they’re cruising, and he got nabbed.

And as I’ve said about 1000 times, I don’t think this sort of thing should be a crime to begin with. We’d be a lot better off if we just made it a crime to be a gay-bashing Republican hatemonger to suck dick in the first place. Of course, that would pretty much put the whole party in jail.

# 69 Lauren the Ghoti said, on September 2nd, 2007 at 7:17 am

Short form response. Long form to follow – after I go get a large coffee.

To the sensible, rational people here – ON THIS ISSUE, OK? – Thank you, in chrono order;

Hop, Mustard, Awake, Greg Allen, joshua, doug. And KevinL for #59.

Thanx 4 the grinz + a year’s supply of smilies to Rob Nee, Anon Cow & NappyHeadedHo.

Brickbats and raspberries to pathetically misguided extremist-liberal-party-line PC excusemakers Fusion and M. Scott. Since you’re standing behind BobH and his militant-homo PC rhetoric, as I proceed to address his line of horseshit, feel free to consider yourselves included… ;)

But first, an infusion of various alkaloids and sucrose in aqueous suspension, then let’s put BobH’s lame-ass so-called “arguments” to a well-deserved death. :)

# 70 Mr. Fusion said, on September 2nd, 2007 at 7:23 am

#65, MM

If I had been cited in the “honorable” Senator’s “shoes”, I would have pled not guilty with all my might. I don’t cruise for sex, gay or otherwise, in public facilities.

But what if you were charged? WHAT IF ??? It didn’t have to be “gay” sex. It could have been pedophile, or S&M sex. You know as well as I that just being charged will kill any politician’s hope of continuing their career.

Other, more plebeian citizens are not that far removed either. Even if found not guilty, the stigma that you were charged with any crime is enough to convict you in too many people’s eyes. The smallest amount of evidence is enough for small minded people to still be convinced you are guilty. Case in point would be OJ Simpson where even today most people still think he is guilty even though he was found not guilty.

Fatty Arbuckle was a contemporary and just as popular as Charlie Chaplin. He was charged with rape and eventually found not guilty. Too late, his career was ruined. Errol Flynn was charged with statutory rape. Killed his career too. Do you remember Congressman Gary Condit?

If anyone tried to arrest me for doing otherwise, I would use every legal means at my disposal to beat the charge. And I CERTAINLY would not resign my job.

I’m sure you would. I’m also sure you have very deep pockets. The next time there was a promotion though, do you think your boss would consider a possible lewd and lascivious character? What if something happened and a scandal developed and your arrest record came out? What if you applied for a government job requiring a security clearance? What if you wanted to be a Boy Scout Leader?

You see, you wouldn’t need to resign. The publicity might be enough to kill your career track for you. Even your social standing. It wouldn’t be your innocence that would do you in. It would be the small minds. The small minds that jump at any accusation and believe it full stock. Sort of like the tactics Bush & company use.

Ok, so how do you defend against those small minds? You can’t. So most people will do what they can to make it go away as quietly as possible. Just like Craig did.

That “wide stance” nonsense …

See what I mean? Craig never said that. Some reporter used those words and now people like you believe them as Craig’s. YOU are helping do your bit to ruin a man by believing the small minds.

# 71 Lauren the Ghoti said, on September 2nd, 2007 at 7:58 am

Bad news, Fusion. I hate to have to be the one to break this to you – maybe you should take a deep breath and sit down.

Orenthal James Simpson murdered Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman. A jury rendered a verdict of ‘not guilty.’ That does not mean that reality retroactively changed to align with what a panel of gullible dupes and black racists declared.

If you can actually entertain the thought that there is the faintest, slightest, most remote chance in Hell than anybody other than OJ murdered those people, you really need to go take a seat over there, with your fellow credulous fools – the 9/11 conspiratists, the IDers, the religious fundies, the AIDS deniers, the Flat Earthers…

# 72 Mister Mustard said, on September 2nd, 2007 at 7:58 am

>>You know as well as I that just being charged will kill any
>>politician’s hope of continuing their career.

I think it helps that this didn’t just come out of the blue. Rumors (heatedly denied, as late as this past Tuesday) of gayitude have been swirling around Larry Craig for 20 years. Then a cop (who had no idea who he was) busts him for soliciting gay sex in a spot known for soliciting gay sex.

Either this guy was born under a bad sign, and if it wasn’t for bad luck, he’d have no luck at all, or there’s fire undereath all the smoke.

Other politicians have been involved in sex scandals and survived (hey, look at Ted Kennedy). The difference is that they hadn’t spent their entire career railing against the evils and immorality of something, then gotten busted for doing that very thing.

It’s the HYPOCRISY that rankles. Barney Frank takes it up the ass all the time, and nobody’s calling for HIS resignation; he is re-elected every term by a handy majority. The difference is that he admit’s he is gay, and doesn’t take every opportunity to marginalize, criminalize, and extinguish gays in society.

>>Case in point would be OJ Simpson where even today most
>>people still think he is guilty

And what do YOU think, O Nuclear One?

>>Do you remember Gary Condit?

Sure. Do you think he killed Chandra Levy? That case has never been solved.

>>See what I mean? Craig never said that. Some reporter
>>used those words and now people like you believe them
>>as Craig’s.

Ummm, not quite. The police report said Craig used that phrase after the bust. “When the police interviewed him later, the senator said that “__he has a wide stance when going to the bathroom__” and that was why his foot may have touched the officer’s, the report said.” Note the emphasized quote (http://tinyurl.com/3ccgr8).

Face it, Fuser. This is a gay-bashing, intolerant, xenophobic hatemonger who got his comeuppance. Nothing more, nothing less.

# 73 BobH said, on September 2nd, 2007 at 8:10 am

Lauren the Ghoti

“death” to opinion is your objective.
I believe sex is a natural act.

And you think I’m over the top?

I welcome you to blather on with spittle and foam flowing from your face; however as your mental effluent reeks of the expired version of your namesake, this post will be my last word on the subject.

# 74 Lauren the Ghoti said, on September 2nd, 2007 at 8:25 am

AAAHhahahahaha!

My reputation precedes me. As I gave fair warning of my intent to dismantle your screed like a $5 watch, you do the wise thing and tuck your tail between your legs and make for the hills. :)

Of course, there’s a shortage of children here gullible enough to be unable to see that what you’re really doing is trying to save face by conceding that I will in fact blow you out of the water as I sit here quietly and calmly at my keyboard, listening to fine music and sipping some good coffee, a smile on my mug for the typical cowardice displayed for PC beauzeaux when it comes time to back up their empty ideological rhetoric with logic and facts.

…oh, but not without yelling a last lame attempt at ad hominem over your shoulder as you run for your life.

Don’t worry, your insupportable bullshit will fall just as surely in your (alleged) absence as not. :)

# 75 josef said, on September 2nd, 2007 at 9:19 am

Larry Craig: “I’m not gay but my d*ck is.”

# 76 Mr. Fusion said, on September 2nd, 2007 at 9:39 am

#72, Lauren,

Next time, with your morning refreshment of alkaloids and sucrose, you also try some Smarties.

>>See what I mean? Craig never said that. Some reporter
>>used those words and now people like you believe them
>>as Craig’s.

Ummm, not quite. The police report said Craig used that phrase after the bust. “When the police interviewed him later, the senator said that “__he has a wide stance when going to the bathroom__” and that was why his foot may have touched the officer’s, the report said.” Note the emphasized quote (http://tinyurl.com/3ccgr8).

Posting garbage and claiming it says exactly what I just reported as wrong. Craig never said “he has a wide stance”.

What is the first tip? Well, people don’t refer to themselves in an interview in the third person. Well, not normal people and I guess I can’t speak for Houstonians (or whatever the eff they are called). That is obviously an attribution by another party. Otherwise if Craig said it it would be in direct quotes, which it is not.

Well, now for the second clue Craig never said this. The police report. Those actual words show up in the report, but not as a quote. They are part of a summation by the cop. And the police report doesn’t use quotations either.
http://tinyurl.com/2sw3dw

What is the third clue? Well, how about reading the actual police report? Wait, wait !!! Something even better. How about a transcript of the interview? Then you can read Craig’s own words? Guess what. He didn’t say it.
http://tinyurl.com/ywaeyk

As I posted above, some reporter wrote it. Thank you for citing the reporter.

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As for Craig’s rumored “gayness” for over 20 years. Sheet !!! What about YOUR rumored gayness? NEWS FLASH. Rumors don’t matter. They are just unsubstantiated stories, usually nasty, derogatory, demeaning, and rude. And usually untrue or so far off base to be untrue. Their human nature will make most people believe them and it takes a lot more energy to get people to unbelieve them. Small minds. Oopps, wait WAIT !!! Don’t you have a favorite word, … SHEEPLE?

Yes, that same human trait that has so many believing there is an invisible man in the sky, or WMDs in Iraq, or Paris Hilton is worthy of more than a glancing thought. Well I’m sorry Lauren. I demand more than you. I demand evidence before my mind is made up. Emotional responses are good for my wife and kid. They are not so good for opinions.

# 77 Mister Mustard said, on September 2nd, 2007 at 9:52 am

>>As I posted above, some reporter wrote it.

No, the POLICE WROTE IT. What part of “in the police report” don’t you understand?? Maybe if you took the time to read the police report (http://tinyurl.com/2ezr89), you would realize that this is what the undercover police officer reported that Craig said to him IN THE FUCKING BATHROOM, not during the post-arrest interrogation. But hey, why let the facts get in the way. If you repeat “a reporter made it up”, maybe some people will be foolish enough to believe you.

>>Sheet !!! What about YOUR rumored gayness?

Guess what, Pumpkin, there are no rumors of my gayness. In large part, perhaps, because I’m not gay. And if I WERE gay, there would be no need for rumors, because I would admit it. Unlike Larry Craig, I am proud of, and comfortable with, my sexual orientation.

And do you know why that is, Fuserino? Because I’m not a hatemongering, lying, hypocritical sack of shit, who bashes gays in public (and in the legislature) and sucks hard dick in private.

# 78 Mister Mustard said, on September 2nd, 2007 at 10:08 am

Oh, and btw. How about you, Fusi? You never answered foti’s question: Do YOU think OJ is innocent of murdering his wife and her “friend”?

# 79 Misanthropic Scott said, on September 2nd, 2007 at 11:30 am

#62 – Mr. Fusion,

I agree wholeheartedly.

#65 – MM,

Um … innocent until PROVEN guilty, no?

#68 – MM,

Unfortunately, and remember, I despise the views of this particular shithead, it’s not about what I believe. It’s about what gets proven beyond a reasonable doubt in court. Also, please ask yourself if you think this situation would be playing out the same way if it had been straight sex.

#70 – Mr. Fusion,

You know as well as I that just being charged will kill any politician’s hope of continuing their career.

I mostly agree with your posts on this thread. However, let’s not forget about special cases like Marion “bitch set me up” Barry or David “I forgot about the New York taxes” Dinkins.

#72 – MM,

It’s the HYPOCRISY that rankles. Barney Frank takes it up the ass all the time, and nobody’s calling for HIS resignation; he is re-elected every term by a handy majority. The difference is that he admit’s he is gay, and doesn’t take every opportunity to marginalize, criminalize, and extinguish gays in society.

Here Here!! But, we must remember about the little thing called proof. I’d love to see the scumbag go, but don’t like the idea of doing so over something unproven.

Lauren and Mustard,

I really think the OJ case is a little off track here. One is a case about sex. The other is a double homicide. One is illegal for no good reason. The other is illegal for very good reason. One is obviously and almost objectively immoral. The other is a normal biological act.

The crime, if there is one in this whole thing, is the attempt to legislate away homosexuality. Perhaps that is what Craig should be charged with. Perhaps he should be charged with the crime of unreasonable intrusion into people’s personal lives or with failing to honor his oath to upload the constitution regarding a person’s right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. These are things that can be verified and actually should be criminal.

# 80 Mister Mustard said, on September 2nd, 2007 at 11:42 am

>>we must remember about the little thing called proof.

Well, he DID plead “guilty”, albeit to a plea-bargained “disorderly conduct” charge. And all that stuff about the repeated finger gestures into the cop’s stall, the peeking, the loafer-tapping/ footsies, etc. in the police report makes a pretty strong argument that he plead the right way.

And you’re right, the OJ case is WAY off track. Although the Fish Monger did bring it up as a way to show how even when someone is “vindicated” in criminal court, people still think they are guilty. Hence my interest in knowing what HE thinks.

In any case, gay sex should be legal, and anyone who tries to legislate it into criminality while engaging in it on the sly should be illegal.

I was entertained to see on CNN that Craig had hired (after the guilty plea) the same lawyer DogFighter Vick used, in an effort to weasel out of his sticky wicket.

# 81 Mister Mustard said, on September 2nd, 2007 at 11:47 am

>>Also, please ask yourself if you think this situation would be playing
>>out the same way if it had been straight sex.

No, probably not. But very few politicians spend their entire career trying to implement a constitutional ban against heterosexual marriage, voting against a bill to make hate crimes against heterosexuals illegal, or denying their own sexual orientation. Although if Craig had his way, it would have “played out the same way” with Bill Clinton, even though he never did anything illegal with Monica (unless that cigar was illegally imported from Cuba).

As I say, it’s the hypocrisy. If you want to suck dick, fine; just don’t spend your life and political career railing against the immorality of sucking dick.

# 82 Misanthropic Scott said, on September 2nd, 2007 at 12:21 pm

MM,

In any case, gay sex should be legal, and anyone who tries to legislate it into criminality while engaging in it on the sly should be illegal.

Actually, I go one step further on this than you. I don’t care whether someone engages in gay sex on the sly. Denying one’s oath of office and legislating against the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness should be illegal. The hypocrisy makes it worse. However, it’s bad even without the hypocrisy. The man is in violation of his oath as an elected official.

# 83 Mister Mustard said, on September 2nd, 2007 at 12:31 pm

>>I don’t care whether someone engages in gay sex on the sly.

I don’t care if they do either. As I said, it’s the hypocrisy of the neocon “family values” assholes that I object to.

Other than that, I agree with you.

Good riddance, Larry. I hope you can get “the cure”, like Ted Haggard.

# 84 Mr. Fusion said, on September 2nd, 2007 at 2:15 pm

#77, MM

Jesus H. Christ on a pogo stick without any undies !!! Ya effen moran.

Maybe if you took the time to read the police report (http://tinyurl.com/2ezr89), you would realize that this is what the undercover police officer reported that Craig said to him IN THE FUCKING BATHROOM, not during the post-arrest interrogation.

From the CNN report.

When the police interviewed him later, the senator said that “he has a wide stance when going to the bathroom” and that was why his foot may have touched the officer’s, the report said.

That statement does not appear in the police report. What does appear is

In a post Miranda interview, Craig stated the following:

- He is a commuter

He went into the bathroom

He was standing outside the stall for 1-2 minutes waiting for the stall

- He has a wide stance when going to the bathroom and that his foot may have touched mine

He reached down … snip …

…During the interview, Craig either disagreed with me or “didn’t recall” the events as they happened.

Now read that carefully. Craig didn’t say it. THE COP SAID IT. The cop wrote down HIS INTERPRETATION of what Craig said during the interview. In fact the cop even admits Craig disagreed what the cop said. So what was said in the interview? Well pumpkin, either read the transcript (provided above) or listen to it, it is also provided on several sites so look it up yourself.

# 85 Mr. Fusion said, on September 2nd, 2007 at 2:19 pm

#77, MM

Guess what, Pumpkin, there are no rumors of my gayness.

That post was directed at Lauren the Ghoti, not you. The statement about his “gayness” was exactly as it reads. A point. I neither know nor care about Lauren’s sexual orientation, that is his and his alone business. Although as I say that, I have no reason to question or claim to know one way or the other but I do reserve the right to think I do whenever he pisses me off.

However, now that your rabid homophobia is out in the open, your vehement denial, your love of god and fellow man, your pseudomasculine moniker, …

Anyone up on how Pastor Ted is getting along?

# 86 Mr. Fusion said, on September 2nd, 2007 at 2:28 pm

#78, M&M

OJ’s guilt? I don’t know. I don’t have all the facts any more than do all those yahoos screaming he got away with it. I do know there was sufficient evidence presented at trial that had been tampered with to seriously question the rest of the evidence.

If you have no problem with convicting people on phony, fabricated, tainted, perjured, and or misleading evidence then sure, you must think he is guilty. Personally, however, I have a difficult time with that. And the jury in his trial agrees with my position.

# 87 Mister Mustard said, on September 2nd, 2007 at 3:01 pm

>>As I posted above, some reporter wrote it.

>>Now read that carefully. Craig didn’t say it. THE COP SAID IT.

Gee, Fuster, you’re even more confused than Craig. I hope you at least know to call a lawyer if you’re arrested!

>However, now that your rabid homophobia is out in the open

Heh heh heh. Good one. I guess you have as much trouble reading and understanding posts on this blog as you do police reports.

>>And the jury in his trial agrees with my position.

Only one of the trials, Pumpkin. In the other one, the jury unanimously declared that Simpson was guilty of killing his wife and her “friend”, and ordered him to pay $8,500,000.00 in compensatory damages, and later to pay $25,000,000.00 in punitive damages to the families of his wife and “friend”. I guess they didn’t buy the “if it doesn’t fit, you must acquit” defense theory.

In any case, WIde Stance admitted his guilt, thinking the conviction could be swept under the rug. Bad choice, Lar. Just like trying to go for a quick gay blow job between flights, after spending a life bashing gays and their lifestyle.

# 88 Mr. Fusion said, on September 2nd, 2007 at 8:43 pm

#87, M&M,

Still playing stupid. Please, read this slowly. I wrote it very slowly just for you.

The cop wrote the report. He wrote it from memory.

The cop didn’t quote Craig, he summarized the interview in his own words, including the “wide stance”.

The reporter wrote that Craig actually said “he has a wide stance”.

Nowhere in the interview transcript does the term “wide stance” come up.

You still want to claim that “wide stance” bit was actually said by Craig.

If you have any evidence that Craig is gay then please, present it. Otherwise, just shut the fuck up. Evidence does not include rumor, innuendo, or wishful thinking. Since this story broke a week ago, not one person has come forward to say he has had a gay encounter with Craig.

You are still an effen moran. I apologize to all the other effen morani out there that I have inadvertently grouped in with M&M.

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OJ Simpson was found not guilty by ONE jury. The one jury that counted. That other trial? His guilt wasn’t at issue there. It was a civil trial, not a criminal trial. Was that trial a travesty? Probably. That, however, is a whole other topic.

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M&M, where do you get these wild fanciful ideas? You know they are bullshit but keep harping on them. Do yourself a favor and give it up. So far you have picked niggling little arguments with most of the regulars at DU. For the life of me, I just don’t understand how you can insist you are right when cited facts are put right in front of you repeatedly.

# 89 Greg Allen said, on September 2nd, 2007 at 9:39 pm

BobH wrote >> You’ve led a sheltered life. Add some spice: try “under the boardwalk”… or did you think they were singing about another matter? That’s odd, the rest of us understood the lyric so well it made the top 10 in 1964.

I guess I did think that song was more about making-out than actual sex but I haven’t really given it much thought. I did a quick check of the lyrics and it does say “on a blanket… falling in love” rather than “under a blanket making love.”

Sheltered or not … I strongly believe that a 7 year old boy should not have to see Republicans giving each other blow jobs when he has to use the bathroom.

I take if from your posts that you’ve probably had a blow job or two in a men’s room. So, I have to ask.. .why in a public place? Why not “get a room” as someone else here suggested? Or at least a very out-of-the way place?

I, personally, find anonymous sex unappealing but I don’t think it should be illegal or anything like that.

But why do you support doing it where children (or me, for that matter) can run into it and distress them?

# 90 Mister Mustard said, on September 2nd, 2007 at 10:00 pm

>>You still want to claim that “wide stance” bit was actually
>>said by Craig.

Sure I do, because the cop SAID he did, in his bulleted list of claims provided in his report.

>>Since this story broke a week ago, not one person has come
>>forward to say he has had a gay encounter with Craig.

A number of people came forward even BEFORE the gay-sex airport bust and said they had had “gay encounters” with Craig. I guess he got smarter in his old age; anonymous sex is, by definition, anonymous. The participants don’t typically exchange business cards. And it’s not like the average out-of-state gay cruiser would know who Craig was just by looking at him (or looking at his dick).

>>OJ Simpson was found not guilty by ONE jury. The one
>>jury that counted.

Oooh, you free-thinking, bohemian, nonconformist maverick, you! You’re probably the only person in the Western world who believes that OJ didn’t kill his wife and her “friend”. (Not whether there were technical fuckups during the trial, or if Mark Fuhrman was an asshole or not, but if he actually killed her). Congrats!

>>Do yourself a favor and give it up. So far you have picked
>>niggling little arguments with most of the regulars at DU.

For the most part, the ones I have “niggling little arguments” with are the assholes.

Take that for what it’s worth.

# 91 Misanthropic Scott said, on September 3rd, 2007 at 6:52 am

#89 – Greg Allen,

Sheltered or not … I strongly believe that a 7 year old boy should not have to see Republicans giving each other blow jobs when he has to use the bathroom.

That could be corrected with real walls and doors for our stalls, like the civilized world has.

Personally, I would have shortened your sentence though. I’d have left it as:

I strongly believe that a 7 year old boy should not have to see Republicans.

They’re just sooooo repulsive!! I couldn’t resist. Actually, I think that among the constituency, many are just horribly misguided. Among the actual politicians though, they have long since thrown away any semblance of the old Republican ideals. I’m not really for those ideals either. But, they were never as repugnant as the current Republican platform. Back then, they just wanted small government and unbridled capitalism so that the rich could get richer at the expense of the poor. They still like that, but have added much that is even worse.

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